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Old June 28th 12, 07:27 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Doug Freyburger
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http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2012-189

Longest-Lived Mars Orbiter is Back in Service
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
June 27, 2012

Mission Status Report

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter has resumed its science
observations and its role as a Mars rover's relay, thanks to a spare
part that had been waiting 11 years to be put to use.


One of the most amazing photos I've ever seen is from Odyssey. It shows
the purchute of one of the rover missions as it decended through the
Martian atmosphere. The first photograph of a spacecraft at another
planet taken by a spacecraft at another planet.
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Old June 30th 12, 02:21 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Jun 28, 2:27*pm, Doug Freyburger wrote:
wrote:

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2012-189


Longest-Lived Mars Orbiter is Back in Service
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
June 27, 2012


Mission Status Report


PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter has resumed its science
observations and its role as a Mars rover's relay, thanks to a spare
part that had been waiting 11 years to be put to use.


One of the most amazing photos I've ever seen is from Odyssey. *It shows
the purchute of one of the rover missions as it decended through the
Martian atmosphere. *The first photograph of a spacecraft at another
planet taken by a spacecraft at another planet.


wonder if a work around is possible to point with just 2 reaction
wheels? didnt they do this with hubblev for awhile?
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Old July 1st 12, 04:11 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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On 1/07/2012 1:46 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:


wonder if a work around is possible to point with just 2 reaction
wheels?


Oh, good God! THINK, Bobbert! You need pointing control in 3
dimensions. You cannot do that with only two axis control So no, you
cannot 'work around' the laws of physics.


If the axes of rotation of the three wheels are orthogonal, and one
reaction wheel rotates, it changes the axes of rotation of the other
two. Indeed, the axes of the other two can be interchanged.

Sylvia.
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Old July 1st 12, 07:14 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Sylvia Else[_2_]
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On 1/07/2012 4:02 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 1/07/2012 1:46 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:


wonder if a work around is possible to point with just 2 reaction
wheels?


Oh, good God! THINK, Bobbert! You need pointing control in 3
dimensions. You cannot do that with only two axis control So no, you
cannot 'work around' the laws of physics.


If the axes of rotation of the three wheels are orthogonal, and one
reaction wheel rotates, it changes the axes of rotation of the other
two. Indeed, the axes of the other two can be interchanged.


Now hold it steady....

Hint: You can eventually get it pointed anywhere, but you can't KEEP
it there in order to do science.


Well, that's going to depend on what science you're trying to do, and on
whether the craft has any net angular momentum. If it has no net angular
momentum, it should be possible to get it pointed in any direction with
minimal drift, which will be good enough for many purposes.

Sylvia.

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Old July 1st 12, 04:26 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Greg \(Strider\) Moore
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"Sylvia Else" wrote in message ...

On 1/07/2012 4:02 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 1/07/2012 1:46 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:


wonder if a work around is possible to point with just 2 reaction
wheels?


Oh, good God! THINK, Bobbert! You need pointing control in 3
dimensions. You cannot do that with only two axis control So no, you
cannot 'work around' the laws of physics.

If the axes of rotation of the three wheels are orthogonal, and one
reaction wheel rotates, it changes the axes of rotation of the other
two. Indeed, the axes of the other two can be interchanged.


Now hold it steady....

Hint: You can eventually get it pointed anywhere, but you can't KEEP
it there in order to do science.


Well, that's going to depend on what science you're trying to do, and on
whether the craft has any net angular momentum. If it has no net angular
momentum, it should be possible to get it pointed in any direction with
minimal drift, which will be good enough for many purposes.

Sylvia.


As I recall, the Hubble typically spends hours pointing at the same spot. I
don't think you can get the drift that minimal.




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Old July 1st 12, 04:54 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 06:21:52 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:


One of the most amazing photos I've ever seen is from Odyssey. *It shows
the purchute of one of the rover missions as it decended through the
Martian atmosphere. *The first photograph of a spacecraft at another
planet taken by a spacecraft at another planet.


wonder if a work around is possible to point with just 2 reaction
wheels? didnt they do this with hubblev for awhile?


They got down to only two working gyros in 1999 before the next
servicing mission, but Hubble was out of commission until the Shuttle
arrived. That's why NASA split up Hubble Servicing Mission 3 into two
parts (3A and 3B.)

Brian
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Old July 2nd 12, 02:13 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Sylvia Else[_2_]
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On 2/07/2012 12:55 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 1/07/2012 4:02 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 1/07/2012 1:46 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:


wonder if a work around is possible to point with just 2 reaction
wheels?


Oh, good God! THINK, Bobbert! You need pointing control in 3
dimensions. You cannot do that with only two axis control So no, you
cannot 'work around' the laws of physics.

If the axes of rotation of the three wheels are orthogonal, and one
reaction wheel rotates, it changes the axes of rotation of the other
two. Indeed, the axes of the other two can be interchanged.


Now hold it steady....

Hint: You can eventually get it pointed anywhere, but you can't KEEP
it there in order to do science.


Well, that's going to depend on what science you're trying to do, and on
whether the craft has any net angular momentum. If it has no net angular
momentum, it should be possible to get it pointed in any direction with
minimal drift, which will be good enough for many purposes.


And yet the folks who run the thing think it requires at least 3
working reaction wheels to do any science....


These things are rarely back-and-white.

Sylvia.

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Old July 2nd 12, 02:13 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Sylvia Else[_2_]
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On 2/07/2012 1:26 AM, Greg (Strider) Moore wrote:
"Sylvia Else" wrote in message ...

On 1/07/2012 4:02 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 1/07/2012 1:46 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:


wonder if a work around is possible to point with just 2 reaction
wheels?


Oh, good God! THINK, Bobbert! You need pointing control in 3
dimensions. You cannot do that with only two axis control So no, you
cannot 'work around' the laws of physics.

If the axes of rotation of the three wheels are orthogonal, and one
reaction wheel rotates, it changes the axes of rotation of the other
two. Indeed, the axes of the other two can be interchanged.


Now hold it steady....

Hint: You can eventually get it pointed anywhere, but you can't KEEP
it there in order to do science.


Well, that's going to depend on what science you're trying to do, and
on whether the craft has any net angular momentum. If it has no net
angular momentum, it should be possible to get it pointed in any
direction with minimal drift, which will be good enough for many
purposes.

Sylvia.


As I recall, the Hubble typically spends hours pointing at the same
spot. I don't think you can get the drift that minimal.


Hubble is looking into deep-space. I doubt that the martian probe is
doing that.

Sylvia.
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Old July 2nd 12, 06:56 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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On 2/07/2012 3:42 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 2/07/2012 12:55 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 1/07/2012 4:02 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 1/07/2012 1:46 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:


wonder if a work around is possible to point with just 2 reaction
wheels?


Oh, good God! THINK, Bobbert! You need pointing control in 3
dimensions. You cannot do that with only two axis control So no, you
cannot 'work around' the laws of physics.

If the axes of rotation of the three wheels are orthogonal, and one
reaction wheel rotates, it changes the axes of rotation of the other
two. Indeed, the axes of the other two can be interchanged.


Now hold it steady....

Hint: You can eventually get it pointed anywhere, but you can't KEEP
it there in order to do science.


Well, that's going to depend on what science you're trying to do, and on
whether the craft has any net angular momentum. If it has no net angular
momentum, it should be possible to get it pointed in any direction with
minimal drift, which will be good enough for many purposes.


And yet the folks who run the thing think it requires at least 3
working reaction wheels to do any science....


These things are rarely back-and-white.


And yet the folks responsible for operating the thing think it is.


Do they? Have they expressly stated that this is a black and white issue?

Sylvia.

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Old July 2nd 12, 08:02 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Sylvia Else[_2_]
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On 2/07/2012 4:50 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 2/07/2012 3:42 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 2/07/2012 12:55 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 1/07/2012 4:02 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 1/07/2012 1:46 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:


wonder if a work around is possible to point with just 2 reaction
wheels?


Oh, good God! THINK, Bobbert! You need pointing control in 3
dimensions. You cannot do that with only two axis control So no, you
cannot 'work around' the laws of physics.

If the axes of rotation of the three wheels are orthogonal, and one
reaction wheel rotates, it changes the axes of rotation of the other
two. Indeed, the axes of the other two can be interchanged.


Now hold it steady....

Hint: You can eventually get it pointed anywhere, but you can't KEEP
it there in order to do science.


Well, that's going to depend on what science you're trying to do, and on
whether the craft has any net angular momentum. If it has no net angular
momentum, it should be possible to get it pointed in any direction with
minimal drift, which will be good enough for many purposes.


And yet the folks who run the thing think it requires at least 3
working reaction wheels to do any science....


These things are rarely back-and-white.


And yet the folks responsible for operating the thing think it is.


Do they? Have they expressly stated that this is a black and white issue?


Yes. You see, Sylvia, you think you want to argue with me. I'm
telling you you're arguing with the folks who control the thing.


You're making certain representations as to what they think. I'm
questioning whether they actually think whay you claim they think. So
the argument is about what they think, not whether they're right in
thinking it. The argument is thus definitely with you, not with them.

Sylvia.

 




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