Bush's space plan: most people don't care

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message
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BV I can see man walking on Mars,but never a colony. The moon is only
three days away. We now have to build a rocket ship 3 times bigger than
the Apollo.,and the moon lander being big enough to be the moon base,and
from the start can hold 10 astronauts. Use atomic energy. BV we have
transportation on the Moon and should have this base in walking distance
from the moon rover. This is what we should have had 25 years ago. What
we have now is a not to interesting space station,and round and round
she goes for another 37 years. Bert

The ISS is not a bad idea, IMHO. In fact it is a great experiment in
preparation for the moon base. We have learned, tested and master the
ability to create a module craft in space. We can use similar concepts on
the moon. Bring the modules up slowly, and build the colony piece by piece.
Using technology like the Russians have used, we can even send up robotic
missions with supplies in advance.

BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message
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BV I can see man walking on Mars,but never a colony. The moon is only
three days away. We now have to build a rocket ship 3 times bigger than
the Apollo.,and the moon lander being big enough to be the moon base,and
from the start can hold 10 astronauts. Use atomic energy. BV we have
transportation on the Moon and should have this base in walking distance
from the moon rover. This is what we should have had 25 years ago. What
we have now is a not to interesting space station,and round and round
she goes for another 37 years. Bert

The ISS is not a bad idea, IMHO. In fact it is a great experiment in
preparation for the moon base. We have learned, tested and master the
ability to create a module craft in space. We can use similar concepts on
the moon. Bring the modules up slowly, and build the colony piece by
piece.
Using technology like the Russians have used, we can even send up robotic
missions with supplies in advance.

BV.
www.iheartmypond.com


But the USA could have funded the Russians to produce an upgraded Mir2 for a
fraction of the cost of the ISS. And remember that the ISS is not doing any
real science and it won't until it can support a full crew. And that won't
happen until they produce the crew evacuation vehicle. And I've only seen a
dummy prototype tested.

Living on the Moon is not going to be easy either. The Apollo missions
managed to avoid peak periods of solar radiation activity, living on the
Moon for extended periods will expose the crews to large doses of radiation,
unless of course they provide some sort of adequate shielding, but then
Astronauts would be restriced in how far from theri main base they can
travel.

Martin

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:56:10 -0500, BenignVanilla wrote:


"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message
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BV I can see man walking on Mars,but never a colony. The moon is only
three days away. We now have to build a rocket ship 3 times bigger than
the Apollo.,and the moon lander being big enough to be the moon base,and
from the start can hold 10 astronauts. Use atomic energy. BV we have
transportation on the Moon and should have this base in walking distance
from the moon rover. This is what we should have had 25 years ago. What
we have now is a not to interesting space station,and round and round
she goes for another 37 years. Bert

The ISS is not a bad idea, IMHO. In fact it is a great experiment in
preparation for the moon base. We have learned, tested and master the
ability to create a module craft in space. We can use similar concepts on
the moon. Bring the modules up slowly, and build the colony piece by
piece. Using technology like the Russians have used, we can even send up
robotic missions with supplies in advance.

BV.

Add to that: ISS is a heck of a lot closer to Earth than the moon is. If
something goes wrong there is less travel distance/time (assuming capable
vehicle available) in case of need.

ISS could, in future act as intermediary point (with extra modules) between
Earth/Moon. Wouldn't necessarily have vehicle that does journey to/from
Moon make Earthfall, use shuttle replacements for that stage.

"Martin" wrote in message
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But the USA could have funded the Russians to produce an upgraded Mir2 for
a
fraction of the cost of the ISS.

Certainly there is some "not built here" politics at play. But I'd also like
to think that the drive to build a new one is a good thing in that, we'll
need to do it eventually so why not learn by doing instead of by buying?

And remember that the ISS is not doing any
real science and it won't until it can support a full crew. And that won't
happen until they produce the crew evacuation vehicle. And I've only seen
a
dummy prototype tested.

I disagree. Simply being there and hosting life, is a fantastic experiment
weilding great data.

Living on the Moon is not going to be easy either. The Apollo missions
managed to avoid peak periods of solar radiation activity, living on the
Moon for extended periods will expose the crews to large doses of
radiation,
unless of course they provide some sort of adequate shielding, but then
Astronauts would be restriced in how far from theri main base they can
travel.

Certainly not easy I agree. But cool, none the less.

BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

"Dat's Me" wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:56:10 -0500, BenignVanilla wrote:


"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message
...
BV I can see man walking on Mars,but never a colony. The moon is only
three days away. We now have to build a rocket ship 3 times bigger
than
the Apollo.,and the moon lander being big enough to be the moon
base,and
from the start can hold 10 astronauts. Use atomic energy. BV we have
transportation on the Moon and should have this base in walking
distance
from the moon rover. This is what we should have had 25 years ago.
What
we have now is a not to interesting space station,and round and round
she goes for another 37 years. Bert

The ISS is not a bad idea, IMHO. In fact it is a great experiment in
preparation for the moon base. We have learned, tested and master the
ability to create a module craft in space. We can use similar concepts
on
the moon. Bring the modules up slowly, and build the colony piece by
piece. Using technology like the Russians have used, we can even send up
robotic missions with supplies in advance.

BV.

Add to that: ISS is a heck of a lot closer to Earth than the moon is. If
something goes wrong there is less travel distance/time (assuming capable
vehicle available) in case of need.

ISS could, in future act as intermediary point (with extra modules)
between
Earth/Moon. Wouldn't necessarily have vehicle that does journey to/from
Moon make Earthfall, use shuttle replacements for that stage.

Sure! Have robotic craft take off and head for moon. The manned craft could
launch from the earth to the ISS, drop off supplies and head out from there.
Return flights could be run similarly with the re-entry vehicle always
staying at the ISS until the moon crew returned.
Then we have one re-entry design for both the ISS and the moon.

BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

BV That is an excellent idea always having a rentry capsule at the SSI.
Bert