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"Scott Nudds" wrote in message
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"El Guapo" wrote
Yeah... human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria!


Ya, we saw a lot of that during the Bush's Katrina Fiasco.


Good point, Scott. "Katrina" was a classic case of mass hysteria.

Vastly more is expected.


No doubt.

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"Jo Schaper" wrote in message
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raylopez99 wrote:

LOL El Guapo!

You are correct--that's what I meant. At least you can read, which is
better than the rest of the people here.

RL


That would be funny except that there is an unmarried couple here who are
desperately trying to keep the home they've made together for 15 years--
one local board of aldermen has 'got religion' and are issuing eviction
notices for couples living in sin based on some law from the 1950s.


Jo, did you mean this as a reply to a different message? I don't see the
connection.

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raylopez99 wrote:
rick++--there's one word in this sentence that gives me and most other
anti-AGW'ers pause, can you guess what it is? "The much higher amounts
in the past probably didnt happen that fast. "

I'll tell you: PROBABLY.

That's why I say, before we stop the world, denying future generations
beneficial growth that will allow them to reach the "singularity"
faster (Google this term), and create an economic Ice Age that will
result in World War 3, I think it's reasonable to conclude that as far
as taking drastic actions on AGW...


All the research that really needs to be done has been done on
this issue. There is no question that the co2 release into the
atmosphere is a 'real bad thing (tm)'
That doesn't change the fact that society doesn't run without
fossil fuels. killing the patient to cure the disease doesn't help
anything.
What needs to be done is to deploy green tech as quickly as is
economically feasible. (even if it is a little more expensive).
Windmills work (when they are not blocked by environmentalists),
nuclear works (when it is not blocked by environmentalists), hydro
works (when it is not blocked by environmentalists), waste-energy works
(when it is not blocked by environmentalists), there are even solar
systems that work (direct pv isn't one of them) (when it is not blocked
by environmentalists).
None of this would delay the singularity, it might even accelerate
it by stimulating research. It also will not slow global warming, we
are just going to have to live with that, but we don't need to
exacerbate it more than necessary.

Now my own personal soap-box.
I live in the US. I see the roads around me, and I see the effect
of cars on the road. I attribute ALL of that not to the car, but to
the white pickett fence. If you want a Hummer, fine, go buy one, but
DON'T DRIVE IT 50 ^$%^&* MILES A DAY. If more people were content to
live in apartments, there would be fewer roads, commutes would be
shorter, public transport would be viable, and the impact of the
automobile would be lessened greatly. Not to mention the energy
efficiency of having 1 exterior wall instead of 5.

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"George" wrote in message
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"Joe Jared" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:32:31 +0000, George wrote:

He also assumes that the environment in which we all live could sustain
such levels. I don't think there is any precedent for that assumption.


I don't think plants will complain.


How do you know? The planet has never sustained those levels.

800 ppm?

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In article ToiSf.490$me6.197@clgrps13,
"Coby Beck" wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" wrote in message
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In article ,
h (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:38:17 GMT, in a place far, far away, "El Guapo"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

"Scott Nudds" wrote in message
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"El Guapo" wrote
Yeah... human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together... mass
hysteria!

Ya, we saw a lot of that during the Bush's Katrina Fiasco.

Good point, Scott. "Katrina" was a classic case of mass hysteria.

Actually, it was a classic case of press hysteria. Most of the
reporting turned out to be wrong.

So all those people weren't trapped in the Superdome of Convention Center?
Half of the population isn't still displaced?


All the reports of child rapes and murders in the super dome were false.
All the reports of rampant looting and lawlessness in NOLA were wrong. The
reports of stranded people shooting at rescue helicopters were wrong. All
the general depictions of poor black people as dangerous animals were wrong.

True, but that was like a war zone -- you get mistakes reported to you and
you air them. The basic facts were right -- thousands were stranded under
deplorable conditions (and some did die), hundreds of thousands had to leave,
entire neighborhoods were (and still are) destroyed.
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In article EWhSf.11969$Km6.1917@trnddc01,
"Clifford" wrote:


Why live in an apartment when you can own your own home. It's the American
dream!


1. The down payment -- some are saving up for it.
2. A lot of places in the US have priced homes out of reach of the average
person there, people like teachers and cops.
3. Some don't want the hassle of getting things fixed when they break, yard
upkeep, etc.
4. Often the only affordable homes are miles (30-60 or more) from work.

Besides, only welfare/socialist people live in apartments.


So everybody in Manhattan is a welfare person or a socialist?

Public transportation is for people that can't afford a car!


Or don't want the hassle of commuting 30 miles each way, each day, in
rush-hour traffic, or the hassle of driving into a downtown urban area.

Again, I'd suspect most Manhattanites down own a car.

Why go
backwards and sit on a puke smelling bus?
Count me out of your utopia!

Clifford




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El Guapo wrote:

"George" wrote in message


He also assumes that the environment in which we all live could sustain
such levels. I don't think there is any precedent for that assumption.

I don't think plants will complain.


How do you know? The planet has never sustained those levels.


800 ppm?


800 ppm will easily desertify the planet and melt all the ice.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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El Guapo wrote:

"El Guapo" wrote
Yeah... human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together... mass
hysteria!


Ya, we saw a lot of that during the Bush's Katrina Fiasco.


Good point, Scott. "Katrina" was a classic case of mass hysteria.


Right, those people in the gulf states imagined the whole thing.

Vastly more is expected.


No doubt.


And no doubt we can expect more of your idiocy.

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