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Religion is an atrocity
This post will be about the atrocity otherwise known as religion.
Notice that how the learning process works also proves that all religions are brainwashing cults. No one is born with religious beliefs, they get programmed by them and terrorized by the asshole cult leaders into them. The world would be a much, much better place without religion and the ignorance that stems from it. This is another compilation of posts and e-mails that I wrote previously. First off, the "sub-conscious" is nothing more than something that has been learned by someone, (or in some cases programmed into someone), that they don't have to think about (consciously try) to accomplish. Things like heartbeat, breathing, walking (once learned and provided no injuries happen to necessitate re-learning), reading, etc. However, the brain functions relating to these activities still occur, i.e. your heart will not beat without the electrical impulses from your brain (the few beats that may occur due to habituation of muscle contraction sometimes occur, but will cease after a couple). As the brain and nervous systems develop (read about DNA, which is nothing more than a chain of elements, on your own), which said development being chemical interactions between elements and what supplies the electrical impulses to the nervous system as a sort of kick start. This is also when the development of a defense mechanism against interference waveforms starts, if it didn't then the fetus would be nothing more than a part of the same organism as the mother. The mother's womb is basically a life support system or extra-venous feeding tube supplying elements for the chemical interactions to occur. The 'kicking' or movement of the fetus inside the womb is the fetus's nervous system developing and an electrical impulse or impulses reaching the muscle system causing a reaction and can also be a response to an external stimulus (or sensory input) reaching the fetus. At birth a child's brain starts receiving and processing other sensory input in response to external stimuli. Crawling and walking are things that are learned, usually aided by visual stimuli of seeing someone or something else moving and trying to mimic them or it, but once learned and repeated don't have to be thought out to accomplished. Talking would be an example of both sub-conscious and conscious processes. Once someone learns how to pronounce or say the words then they don't have to consciously think about doing so, however someone can consciously think about what words to use or if that someone chooses to respond with words or not. A child can learn to mimic words before it learns either their definitions or their spelling. This happens due to the child's brain comparing (or correlating) the auditory evoked potentials that occur from it hearing itself to the auditory evoked potentials that occur from hearing what the child is trying to mimic or imitate. (This is also how an impressionist would learn to imitate others). This would also be how someone learns to think to themselves which IS unvoiced speech. The brain correlates all evoked potentials from sensory inputs. Also a child may learn the meaning, to a certain extent, of some simplistic words before learning to spell or read through what is known as conditioned response. In other words, if said child makes a certain sound then a certain effect may happen. For example, the child yells "ma" or "mom" and someone responds then the child will associate one with the other. So if its mother responds then the child associates the two, but by the same effect if said child yelled "ma" or "mom" and the father responds this would then be what the child will associate with said noise until taught the definitions of the words. By associate I mean this is the set of evoked potentials through sensory input (whether an auditory, visual or other response was made) that the child's brain will correlate with the evoked potentials from the sound that it made. If the child could actually think the words to make this association, then said child would also be able to say the words and would also know what the words meant. Emotions come from how someone perceives an external stimulus, or how they have been programmed to perceive said stimulus. A simple "No" may cause a child, or in some cases an adult, to become angry or sad when in fact it may have been very beneficial, i.e. reaching for something on the stove, grabbing for a sharp object, etc. This is also from the conditioned response thing where the child's brain has already associated reaching for something with getting it especially in a child where the definitions of various objects or what they do has not yet been learned. Fear would be an emotion that can be caused by an absence of external stimuli, however this only happens when external stimuli have been present before. Once someone has learned how to think to themselves or how to visualize something in their brain, (which also happens due to the association of evoked potentials that occur in someone's brain to various external stimuli), then this can sometimes also be a way for a person to change their emotions. This however is also causing an emotion in response to a stimulus. Again, neither thoughts nor emotions transfer by any kind of brain projection. A couple of examples: Someone you enjoy seeing or talking to arrives where you are or phones you. This stimulus in turn evokes potentials in your brain which your brain associates with pleasant emotions. At which point you become happy or glad, however this person is in a bad mood or as some call it a 'negative' emotional state. You are happy, they are not. This person then tells you why they are not happy which in turn changes your emotional state in response to the evoked potentials from the external stimulus (the other person's story). The emotional change occurring due to the association of your brain with the evoked potentials from the story or due to the evoked potentials from the stimulus of seeing someone that is usually associated with good emotions not in a good mood. This would also apply if say someone that you don't like enters wherever you are. You were in a good mood, but in response to said stimulus (the person entering) and the processes mentioned above an emotional change occurs. Even if the person you don't like is in a very good mood. This would also be why a scenario like the one just mentioned can cause a brief emotional response to just the person entering while not changing someone's entire mood. I will start this section of this post with 3 definitions from The New Lexicon Webster's Dictionary of the English Language. #1 - Cult; A system of religious worship// admiration of or devotion to, a person or thing especially as a form of intellectual snobbery// A passing craze or fashion// a creed or sect. Comment: This means all systems of religion, not just ones that you (general term meaning everyone) don't happen to be a member of regardless of their size or the extent of their brainwashing or mind control. #2 - Terror; great fear. #3 - Terrorism; The policy of using acts inspiring terror as a method of ruling or of conducting political opposition. Comment: Which would include the use of things like eternal damnation and the like. This applies to all ends of the religious spectrum. Having stated that, I would prefer not to have my name associated with any religion or political party for that matter. Religion - Where to start? As already present creatures or organisms mutated and evolved into thee predecessors of modern humankind, since these early people's brains were not as evolved, they were unable to explain why things occurred. Basic things like why the sun came up, why the wind blew, why rain or snow fell, etc. Which in turn led to fears of these things. During this time survival often depended on being the strongest, biggest or from being able to cause fear in your competitors. As time passed, some people started learning that the sun came up close to a certain time frame every day, snow came at a certain time of year, rain fell after certain clouds appeared, eating certain things could kill someone, etc. These people used the fears of such things to gain power. And to create more fear, they came up with beings known as gods. To these gods they attributed everything and they sometimes had a god for every different thing. After all the more gods, the more others had to fear. (As with modern religions, they would kill, imprison or discredit others in order to keep their power.) They manipulated people to get them to think that they were somehow close to whatever god. They created a place, as a reward, for people to go after death if they obeyed them and blindly followed what they said. They also created a place or a type of punishment for those that did not obey or follow them after death. They started the myth known as a soul so that they could use the fears that stemmed from an afterlife. The people doing this also learned that by keeping others ignorant it was much easier to control them through their own fears. ( an example from more modern religion; saying the earth was flat and if you strayed to far you would fall off. This is an attempt to get others to be afraid to go very far from the power structure of the cult to keep them from learning anything other than what they put forth to pass as knowledge.) Anyway, soon they learned that one person couldn't watch everyone to stop the acquisition of knowledge, so they enlarged their cults and brought others in on their schemes. Often giving them the power that came with representing different gods/goddesses, if they agreed to keep what knowledge they had amongst themselves. (Which in later religions translates into different areas.) This often led to cults within cults and sometimes to disagreements resulting in offshoot cults arising, still using the same ways to gain power. They also came up with various rituals to be performed regularly. (Repetition for mind control.) They told people to bring their children to the rituals as soon as possible so as to receive their gods/goddesses blessings or so as not to anger them. They soon discovered that their brainwashing was much easier the earlier in someone's development that they started. Or if you prefer, that it was much easier to control the mind of an adult if they got to them as a child. (Still very much in practice today by all religions and has spread to other areas of society as well.) They came up with the ideas for sacrifices or donations to gain favor with their gods or god. They started wars, more people to control and to make sacrifices and donations. As societies, cultures, empires and countries came and went, the names of the various gods/goddesses changed, the amount of gods/goddesses changed and the stories or myths were altered, or new ones created, to fit each new religion. For instance, several times in an ancient religion, a god named Zeus changed form and descended from the heavens to impregnate women. (A myth which in turn came from previous religious fables) The children of these women often were considered demi-gods or heroes and fables sprang up about them. They often would also become martyrs or pawns of their various cults. Some even started their own cults and they were also often worshipped. So the myth of Christ wasn't exactly a new idea, nor would it be beyond religion to embellish on or cover up facts to keep or gain power. (The psychotronic weaponry may be somewhat new, but the idea of gaining power through mind control is very, very old.) As for the satanic-military or the satanic-pedophilia ties that I have come across on numerous web sites pertaining to mind control, yes it is possible that said people worship satan. Satanism is also a system of religious worship. History, even very modern history, also shows that the god-military and god-pedophilia ties have been around for a long, long time. And if it weren't for the myth of god, then the myth of satan would not exist. There is no doubt that religions vary somewhat from one to the next, however one theme remains the same: Here is the religious doctrine - Think it, Breathe it, Live it and Obey it or else. In other words MIND CONTROL. That said the following is a brief list of various things and a brief explanation of how they stem from religious belief systems (cults) or are caused by religious belief systems. (I originally entitled this section; Religion is a mind f**k - meaning it f**ks over your mind.) #1 Magic - Creationism (enough said) #2 UFO's - Goes back to several mythologies (religions, cults) where anything they couldn't identify (flying type objects) was labeled as some sort of god or attributed to one. Also stems from various mythologies (religions, cults) fables of gods or their accomplices arriving on flying horses or in chariots or this that or the other type of vehicle or flying animal. #3 Extra dimensions (parallel type scenarios) - Well when religions (cults) ran out of places for their gods/goddesses to live and their afterlife scenarios to exist, they had to come up with something. #4 Time travel - Way too many references in mythologies (religions, cults) to list, but a given to many gods/goddesses. Also stems from the way humans measure time. #5 Telepathy (without technology) - Pretty much prevalent in all mythologies (religions, cults). Silent prayer (a religious ritual abuse) would be telepathy. How many religions (cults) still use the old "their particular supernatural entity (god) spoke to them or came to them in a way that only they could hear or see? #6 Telekinesis (not the technology definition) - Almost every supernatural entity (god, demigod, goddess) in every mythology (religion, cult) has been attributed the 'power' to move things with a thought. Also the 'power' to create or destroy objects with a simple thought. #7 Teleportation - Another 'power' attributed to most supernatural entities (gods/goddesses) and even to some humans (through magic) in almost every mythology (religion, cult) . #8 Levitation - Often mistaken for flight, which again is attributed to many supernatural entities (gods/goddesses) throughout various mythologies (religions cults). #9 Transmorgrification (shape shifting) - Probably actually stems from people wearing various hides as clothing, but has been adapted (twisted to fit) almost every mythology (religion, cult). And has often been used to represent 'evil' entities or beings when the people wearing the hides were not part of the particular cult (religion, mythology) representing it as such. Also see reference to Zeus above. #10 Alchemy (as relating to magic) - Quite a few references in various mythologies (religions, cults) to various supernatural entities being able to alter the composition of things, including humans, into other substances. Midas touch, pillar of salt and Medusa turning people to stone for a few examples. #11 Astrology - Referred to in most mythologies ( religions, cults), usually as some sort Astronomy twisted to fit into a particular mythological (religious, cult) system of beliefs. Has since become pretty much a religion (cult) by itself. #12 Psychiatry and Psychology - Religion is the original psychological warfare operation. Throughout history people have been deemed mentally ill for speaking out against mythologies (religions, cults). Note the irony. Lobotomies were first performed under the guise of religion. #13 Pedophilism - May have other origins, but has been a part of most mythologies (religions, cults) throughout history. Usually incorporated as some sort of rite or ritual or practiced by said members and followers. The word originated from a rite in a Roman religious ritual abuse, but it took place before (and still does) under different names, virgin sacrifices, arranged child marriages, etc) #14 Delusions of Grandeur - Built into every mythology 9religion, cult) that claims only its' followers will go to heaven (or whatever name they give it ) or achieve a higher plane of existence. Also stems from the belief of a soul and that people are somehow more than mortal. It is also why it is so easy to use religion to get people to go to war or to look the other way when atrocities are being committed especially when committed on members of other religions or cults or against people with no religious beliefs. Slavery, torture, etc. Has a tendency to lead to racism. #15 Paranoia - Some sort of religious or cult entity is always watching or waiting to take over. Ever wonder where the idea for 'big brother' came from? Often used to create fears in order to prey off of them. #16 Multiple Personality Disorder - Duality. Constant struggle between 'good' and 'evil' inside everyone. It is probably a case of transference. Has been a trait of several entities in various mythologies (religions, cults). Sometimes even called a 'power' or ability. #17 Sexism - See delusions of grandeur above. Built into most mythologies (religions, cults) as either a male god or a male god as head of the set of gods. Also applies to the Amazonian type scenario. #18 Hallucinations - Visions and the like. Prevalent in many, if not all, mythologies (religions, cults). Various mythologies (religions, cults) have used drugs (psychotropic or psychoactive) or starvation to aid in causing them. This includes near-death type 'experiences'. They stem from whatever a particular mythology (religion, cult) programs into its' followers that they should see when taking part in a particular ritual abuse. The fear of reprisal or punishment or banishment if not seen also aids in this. Where there have been various choices of visions, the hallucination will be the one that the person most wants to see. Basically mind ****ing themselves. (This would be the same for curses and the like also). Mythology is basically taking a natural occurrence and attributing it to a supernatural entity or creating one to explain it. See above. However the so-called 'powers' usually stem from the "My god is more powerful than yours" type of childish gibberish. Which also plays a part in the delusions of grandeur mentioned above. Those not under attack by the psychotronic weaponry, if reading this or certain words in it 'trigger' a response, that is another part of religious programming. Religions (mythologies, cults) have been doing this since way before the Pavlov or ' Manchurian Candidate' experiments were done. Those under attack by the psychotronic weaponry, reading this may cause a specific torture technique to start by the attackers. Could range from words to phrases to images to mood manipulation to pain attacks. This may also be a combination of the attacks to amplify pre-existing religious programming in order for the attackers to prey upon what religion has already done. Death to psychotronic weaponry. Religion is fraud. James M. Vierling Jr. |
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I haven't read much of what you said here, but I'd like make two comments:
* I can relate to some of the things you're saying here, but * Hardly any of this is even peripherally related to the Science of Astronomy. I really don't think you should post it on sci.astro. Not because I find anything about it (what little I've read of it anyway) to be offensive, but just simply because this is not the right forum for it. In other words, just because we can't get ... Alexa or Brooke or whatever her name is ... to stop babbling about off-topic stuff, do you think the rest of us could try to stay on-topic? Thanks. |
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(Gag, I hate it when Netscape 7 mal-formats ASCII-text messages.
Hopefully this time it'll come out correctly formatted.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I haven't read much of what you said here, but I'd like make two comments: * I can relate to some of the things you're saying here, but * Hardly any of this is even peripherally related to the Science of Astronomy. I really don't think you should post it on sci.astro. Not because I find anything about it (what little I've read of it anyway) to be offensive, but just simply because this is not the right forum for it. In other words, just because we can't get ... Alexa or Brooke or whatever her name is ... to stop babbling about off-topic stuff, do you think the rest of us could try to stay on-topic? Thanks. |
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Yes, I realize that it is somewhat off topic in this particular group. I mostly
posted it to show that I was not a 'space cadet' no pun intended. I post about a very real atrocity and don't particulary want to be associated with everything some others include with it. If you search for my name or the subject lines of my posts you will see that I encounter quite a bit of ignorance. Technically the psychotronic posts may also be a little off-topic, but due to recent satellite projects, which have little basis in reality (see light sail, gravitational microlensing, etc), it does seem to suggest an attempt to put electromagnetic weapons in space. Whether they would be used as a form of psychotronic weaponry or not. I do hope that all in this group will take the time to read the information that I posted in its entirety. Including the religion post. Death to psychotronic weaponry. Religion is fraud. James M. Vierling Jr. P.S. If anyone wonders why I posted under two different e-mail addresses and their subsequent names it is because google won't let me post anymore. I hope their stock is worthless. That is also why it is know in three parts instead of one, because aol's newsreader won't post it in one. |
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Actually, religion is a mental disorder....
Orion "Vierlingj" wrote in message ... This post will be about the atrocity otherwise known as religion. Notice that how the learning process works also proves that all religions are brainwashing cults. No one is born with religious beliefs, they get programmed by them and terrorized by the asshole cult leaders into them. The world would be a much, much better place without religion and the ignorance that stems from it. This is another compilation of posts and e-mails that I wrote previously. First off, the "sub-conscious" is nothing more than something that has been learned by someone, (or in some cases programmed into someone), that they don't have to think about (consciously try) to accomplish. Things like heartbeat, breathing, walking (once learned and provided no injuries happen to necessitate re-learning), reading, etc. However, the brain functions relating to these activities still occur, i.e. your heart will not beat without the electrical impulses from your brain (the few beats that may occur due to habituation of muscle contraction sometimes occur, but will cease after a couple). As the brain and nervous systems develop (read about DNA, which is nothing more than a chain of elements, on your own), which said development being chemical interactions between elements and what supplies the electrical impulses to the nervous system as a sort of kick start. This is also when the development of a defense mechanism against interference waveforms starts, if it didn't then the fetus would be nothing more than a part of the same organism as the mother. The mother's womb is basically a life support system or extra-venous feeding tube supplying elements for the chemical interactions to occur. The 'kicking' or movement of the fetus inside the womb is the fetus's nervous system developing and an electrical impulse or impulses reaching the muscle system causing a reaction and can also be a response to an external stimulus (or sensory input) reaching the fetus. At birth a child's brain starts receiving and processing other sensory input in response to external stimuli. Crawling and walking are things that are learned, usually aided by visual stimuli of seeing someone or something else moving and trying to mimic them or it, but once learned and repeated don't have to be thought out to accomplished. Talking would be an example of both sub-conscious and conscious processes. Once someone learns how to pronounce or say the words then they don't have to consciously think about doing so, however someone can consciously think about what words to use or if that someone chooses to respond with words or not. A child can learn to mimic words before it learns either their definitions or their spelling. This happens due to the child's brain comparing (or correlating) the auditory evoked potentials that occur from it hearing itself to the auditory evoked potentials that occur from hearing what the child is trying to mimic or imitate. (This is also how an impressionist would learn to imitate others). This would also be how someone learns to think to themselves which IS unvoiced speech. The brain correlates all evoked potentials from sensory inputs. Also a child may learn the meaning, to a certain extent, of some simplistic words before learning to spell or read through what is known as conditioned response. In other words, if said child makes a certain sound then a certain effect may happen. For example, the child yells "ma" or "mom" and someone responds then the child will associate one with the other. So if its mother responds then the child associates the two, but by the same effect if said child yelled "ma" or "mom" and the father responds this would then be what the child will associate with said noise until taught the definitions of the words. By associate I mean this is the set of evoked potentials through sensory input (whether an auditory, visual or other response was made) that the child's brain will correlate with the evoked potentials from the sound that it made. If the child could actually think the words to make this association, then said child would also be able to say the words and would also know what the words meant. Emotions come from how someone perceives an external stimulus, or how they have been programmed to perceive said stimulus. A simple "No" may cause a child, or in some cases an adult, to become angry or sad when in fact it may have been very beneficial, i.e. reaching for something on the stove, grabbing for a sharp object, etc. This is also from the conditioned response thing where the child's brain has already associated reaching for something with getting it especially in a child where the definitions of various objects or what they do has not yet been learned. Fear would be an emotion that can be caused by an absence of external stimuli, however this only happens when external stimuli have been present before. Once someone has learned how to think to themselves or how to visualize something in their brain, (which also happens due to the association of evoked potentials that occur in someone's brain to various external stimuli), then this can sometimes also be a way for a person to change their emotions. This however is also causing an emotion in response to a stimulus. Again, neither thoughts nor emotions transfer by any kind of brain projection. A couple of examples: Someone you enjoy seeing or talking to arrives where you are or phones you. This stimulus in turn evokes potentials in your brain which your brain associates with pleasant emotions. At which point you become happy or glad, however this person is in a bad mood or as some call it a 'negative' emotional state. You are happy, they are not. This person then tells you why they are not happy which in turn changes your emotional state in response to the evoked potentials from the external stimulus (the other person's story). The emotional change occurring due to the association of your brain with the evoked potentials from the story or due to the evoked potentials from the stimulus of seeing someone that is usually associated with good emotions not in a good mood. This would also apply if say someone that you don't like enters wherever you are. You were in a good mood, but in response to said stimulus (the person entering) and the processes mentioned above an emotional change occurs. Even if the person you don't like is in a very good mood. This would also be why a scenario like the one just mentioned can cause a brief emotional response to just the person entering while not changing someone's entire mood. I will start this section of this post with 3 definitions from The New Lexicon Webster's Dictionary of the English Language. #1 - Cult; A system of religious worship// admiration of or devotion to, a person or thing especially as a form of intellectual snobbery// A passing craze or fashion// a creed or sect. Comment: This means all systems of religion, not just ones that you (general term meaning everyone) don't happen to be a member of regardless of their size or the extent of their brainwashing or mind control. #2 - Terror; great fear. #3 - Terrorism; The policy of using acts inspiring terror as a method of ruling or of conducting political opposition. Comment: Which would include the use of things like eternal damnation and the like. This applies to all ends of the religious spectrum. Having stated that, I would prefer not to have my name associated with any religion or political party for that matter. Religion - Where to start? As already present creatures or organisms mutated and evolved into thee predecessors of modern humankind, since these early people's brains were not as evolved, they were unable to explain why things occurred. Basic things like why the sun came up, why the wind blew, why rain or snow fell, etc. Which in turn led to fears of these things. During this time survival often depended on being the strongest, biggest or from being able to cause fear in your competitors. As time passed, some people started learning that the sun came up close to a certain time frame every day, snow came at a certain time of year, rain fell after certain clouds appeared, eating certain things could kill someone, etc. These people used the fears of such things to gain power. And to create more fear, they came up with beings known as gods. To these gods they attributed everything and they sometimes had a god for every different thing. After all the more gods, the more others had to fear. (As with modern religions, they would kill, imprison or discredit others in order to keep their power.) They manipulated people to get them to think that they were somehow close to whatever god. They created a place, as a reward, for people to go after death if they obeyed them and blindly followed what they said. They also created a place or a type of punishment for those that did not obey or follow them after death. They started the myth known as a soul so that they could use the fears that stemmed from an afterlife. The people doing this also learned that by keeping others ignorant it was much easier to control them through their own fears. ( an example from more modern religion; saying the earth was flat and if you strayed to far you would fall off. This is an attempt to get others to be afraid to go very far from the power structure of the cult to keep them from learning anything other than what they put forth to pass as knowledge.) Anyway, soon they learned that one person couldn't watch everyone to stop the acquisition of knowledge, so they enlarged their cults and brought others in on their schemes. Often giving them the power that came with representing different gods/goddesses, if they agreed to keep what knowledge they had amongst themselves. (Which in later religions translates into different areas.) This often led to cults within cults and sometimes to disagreements resulting in offshoot cults arising, still using the same ways to gain power. They also came up with various rituals to be performed regularly. (Repetition for mind control.) They told people to bring their children to the rituals as soon as possible so as to receive their gods/goddesses blessings or so as not to anger them. They soon discovered that their brainwashing was much easier the earlier in someone's development that they started. Or if you prefer, that it was much easier to control the mind of an adult if they got to them as a child. (Still very much in practice today by all religions and has spread to other areas of society as well.) They came up with the ideas for sacrifices or donations to gain favor with their gods or god. They started wars, more people to control and to make sacrifices and donations. As societies, cultures, empires and countries came and went, the names of the various gods/goddesses changed, the amount of gods/goddesses changed and the stories or myths were altered, or new ones created, to fit each new religion. For instance, several times in an ancient religion, a god named Zeus changed form and descended from the heavens to impregnate women. (A myth which in turn came from previous religious fables) The children of these women often were considered demi-gods or heroes and fables sprang up about them. They often would also become martyrs or pawns of their various cults. Some even started their own cults and they were also often worshipped. So the myth of Christ wasn't exactly a new idea, nor would it be beyond religion to embellish on or cover up facts to keep or gain power. (The psychotronic weaponry may be somewhat new, but the idea of gaining power through mind control is very, very old.) As for the satanic-military or the satanic-pedophilia ties that I have come across on numerous web sites pertaining to mind control, yes it is possible that said people worship satan. Satanism is also a system of religious worship. History, even very modern history, also shows that the god-military and god-pedophilia ties have been around for a long, long time. And if it weren't for the myth of god, then the myth of satan would not exist. There is no doubt that religions vary somewhat from one to the next, however one theme remains the same: Here is the religious doctrine - Think it, Breathe it, Live it and Obey it or else. In other words MIND CONTROL. That said the following is a brief list of various things and a brief explanation of how they stem from religious belief systems (cults) or are caused by religious belief systems. (I originally entitled this section; Religion is a mind f**k - meaning it f**ks over your mind.) #1 Magic - Creationism (enough said) #2 UFO's - Goes back to several mythologies (religions, cults) where anything they couldn't identify (flying type objects) was labeled as some sort of god or attributed to one. Also stems from various mythologies (religions, cults) fables of gods or their accomplices arriving on flying horses or in chariots or this that or the other type of vehicle or flying animal. #3 Extra dimensions (parallel type scenarios) - Well when religions (cults) ran out of places for their gods/goddesses to live and their afterlife scenarios to exist, they had to come up with something. #4 Time travel - Way too many references in mythologies (religions, cults) to list, but a given to many gods/goddesses. Also stems from the way humans measure time. #5 Telepathy (without technology) - Pretty much prevalent in all mythologies (religions, cults). Silent prayer (a religious ritual abuse) would be telepathy. How many religions (cults) still use the old "their particular supernatural entity (god) spoke to them or came to them in a way that only they could hear or see? #6 Telekinesis (not the technology definition) - Almost every supernatural entity (god, demigod, goddess) in every mythology (religion, cult) has been attributed the 'power' to move things with a thought. Also the 'power' to create or destroy objects with a simple thought. #7 Teleportation - Another 'power' attributed to most supernatural entities (gods/goddesses) and even to some humans (through magic) in almost every mythology (religion, cult) . #8 Levitation - Often mistaken for flight, which again is attributed to many supernatural entities (gods/goddesses) throughout various mythologies (religions cults). #9 Transmorgrification (shape shifting) - Probably actually stems from people wearing various hides as clothing, but has been adapted (twisted to fit) almost every mythology (religion, cult). And has often been used to represent 'evil' entities or beings when the people wearing the hides were not part of the particular cult (religion, mythology) representing it as such. Also see reference to Zeus above. #10 Alchemy (as relating to magic) - Quite a few references in various mythologies (religions, cults) to various supernatural entities being able to alter the composition of things, including humans, into other substances. Midas touch, pillar of salt and Medusa turning people to stone for a few examples. #11 Astrology - Referred to in most mythologies ( religions, cults), usually as some sort Astronomy twisted to fit into a particular mythological (religious, cult) system of beliefs. Has since become pretty much a religion (cult) by itself. #12 Psychiatry and Psychology - Religion is the original psychological warfare operation. Throughout history people have been deemed mentally ill for speaking out against mythologies (religions, cults). Note the irony. Lobotomies were first performed under the guise of religion. #13 Pedophilism - May have other origins, but has been a part of most mythologies (religions, cults) throughout history. Usually incorporated as some sort of rite or ritual or practiced by said members and followers. The word originated from a rite in a Roman religious ritual abuse, but it took place before (and still does) under different names, virgin sacrifices, arranged child marriages, etc) #14 Delusions of Grandeur - Built into every mythology 9religion, cult) that claims only its' followers will go to heaven (or whatever name they give it ) or achieve a higher plane of existence. Also stems from the belief of a soul and that people are somehow more than mortal. It is also why it is so easy to use religion to get people to go to war or to look the other way when atrocities are being committed especially when committed on members of other religions or cults or against people with no religious beliefs. Slavery, torture, etc. Has a tendency to lead to racism. #15 Paranoia - Some sort of religious or cult entity is always watching or waiting to take over. Ever wonder where the idea for 'big brother' came from? Often used to create fears in order to prey off of them. #16 Multiple Personality Disorder - Duality. Constant struggle between 'good' and 'evil' inside everyone. It is probably a case of transference. Has been a trait of several entities in various mythologies (religions, cults). Sometimes even called a 'power' or ability. #17 Sexism - See delusions of grandeur above. Built into most mythologies (religions, cults) as either a male god or a male god as head of the set of gods. Also applies to the Amazonian type scenario. #18 Hallucinations - Visions and the like. Prevalent in many, if not all, mythologies (religions, cults). Various mythologies (religions, cults) have used drugs (psychotropic or psychoactive) or starvation to aid in causing them. This includes near-death type 'experiences'. They stem from whatever a particular mythology (religion, cult) programs into its' followers that they should see when taking part in a particular ritual abuse. The fear of reprisal or punishment or banishment if not seen also aids in this. Where there have been various choices of visions, the hallucination will be the one that the person most wants to see. Basically mind ****ing themselves. (This would be the same for curses and the like also). Mythology is basically taking a natural occurrence and attributing it to a supernatural entity or creating one to explain it. See above. However the so-called 'powers' usually stem from the "My god is more powerful than yours" type of childish gibberish. Which also plays a part in the delusions of grandeur mentioned above. Those not under attack by the psychotronic weaponry, if reading this or certain words in it 'trigger' a response, that is another part of religious programming. Religions (mythologies, cults) have been doing this since way before the Pavlov or ' Manchurian Candidate' experiments were done. Those under attack by the psychotronic weaponry, reading this may cause a specific torture technique to start by the attackers. Could range from words to phrases to images to mood manipulation to pain attacks. This may also be a combination of the attacks to amplify pre-existing religious programming in order for the attackers to prey upon what religion has already done. Death to psychotronic weaponry. Religion is fraud. James M. Vierling Jr. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 5/14/2004 |
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Vierlingj wrote:
... Also a child may learn the meaning, to a certain extent, of some simplistic words before learning to spell or read through what is known as conditioned response. In other words, if said child makes a certain sound then a certain effect may happen. For example, the child yells "ma" or "mom" and someone responds then the child will associate one with the other. So if its mother responds then the child associates the two, but by the same effect if said child yelled "ma" or "mom" and the father responds this would then be what the child will associate with said noise until taught the definitions of the words. By associate I mean this is the set of evoked potentials through sensory input (whether an auditory, visual or other response was made) that the child's brain will correlate with the evoked potentials from the sound that it made. If the child could actually think the words to make this association, then said child would also be able to say the words and would also know what the words meant. I got this far and decided the rest of the msg was not worth reading. The ideas you describe above were propounded by B.F. Skinner in the 1950s, and thoroughly demolished by Noam Chomsky in a well-known review in 1959. No one has looked at language in the same way since. Before you spout off about how the world works, you might want to look at what others have said. Mike Maxwell |
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Well I would suggest that you use common sense. The following is an excerpt
from a biography page of Mr Chomsky. The page is located at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky. Here is the excerpt - "Chomsky's critique of Skinner's methodology and basic assumptions paved the way for a revolution against the behaviorist doctrine that had governed psychology. In his 1966 Cartesian Linguistics and subsequent works, Chomsky laid out an explanation of human language faculties that has become the model for investigation in other areas of psychology. Much of the present conception of how the mind works draws directly from ideas that found their first persuasive author of modern times in Chomsky. There are three key ideas. First, is that the mind is "cognitive", or that the mind actually contains mental states, beliefs, doubts, and so on. The former view had denied even this, arguing that there were only "stimulus-response" relationships like "If you ask me if I want X, I will say yes". By contrast, Chomsky showed that the common way of understanding the mind, as having things like beliefs and even unconscious mental states, had to be right. Second, he argued that large parts of what the adult mind can do are "innate". While no child is born automatically able to speak a language, all are born with a powerful language learning ability which allows them to soak up several languages very quickly in their early years. Subsequent psychologists have extended this thesis far beyond language; the mind is no longer considered a "blank slate" at birth." I will address the three key ideas part. This is absolute nonsense. No one is born with any religious beliefs or other beliefs. To say this is to say that a newborn has understanding of those beliefs. Some examples for you to consider. Example 1. A child is born and immediately adopted. This child is then told that its adoptive parents are its biological parents. The child will not no the difference unless otherwise explained at a later date when the child has enough comprehension of the language it is explained in to understand what it has been told. The child may believe this its entire life. In effect the child has been brainwashed into believing this. Example 2. A child is born to an English only speaking couple. This child is immediately adopted by parents that only speak Russian, Japanese, Chinese, etc. In an area where only that language is spoken. The child won't automatically speak English, it will learn to speak the language that it is exposed to. Said child unless exposed to English would never speak it or be able to understand someone else speaking it. Unless their are similarities or hand movement signs. Example 3. Two Hispanic couples have a child. Couple 1 refuses to speak Spanish in the home and only speaks English. This couple lives in an area where no one speaks Spanish. The child will not automatically be able to speak Spanish. Couple 2 speaks only spanish at home but the child goes to a school where English is taught. The child will be able to speak both as it has been exposed to both. Example 4. A child is born and is never exposed to any language. This child will not speak any language. Instead it would be limited to grunts and groans or to imitating the sounds that it has been exposed to in the form of sensory input. The powerful learning ability is called a brain. Said brain would be useless if it were not for the rest of the nervous system. Do you really think that you would be able to do anything without input sensory stimuli? What? Without any of your senses you wouldn't be able to see, hear, touch, taste or smell. What could you be able to do? Nothing. You wouldn't be able to walk, you couldn't feel the floor. You wouldn't be able to eat, you couldn't feel the food or your mouth. You wouldn't be able to tell if it was hot or cold. You would not be able to learn. You could not imagine anything as you would have nothing to base your imagination on. Take for instance people that were born without the capability of one sensory input say sight. This person would not be able to imagine anything in any color. They learn through the other sensory inputs. As for mental states, yes the brain has the ability to operate at different frequencies. This is called being alive. At 0 Hz, you are dead. These frequencies are effected by external stimuli and/or lack of it. The brain is indeed a pretty blank slate at birth. With the exception of what has already happened in the forming of the nervous system due to chemical reactions in the womb. While Mr. Chomsky has been correct in some of writings especially about the media and often about the corruption in government, he is wrong about this. Their are only three reasons to push that someone is born with beliefs. 1. To further the atrocity called religion through esoteric nonsense. 2. To push racism by claiming genetic superiority. 3. To further pseudoscientific garbage. Death to psychotronic weaponry. Religion is fraud. James M. Vierling Jr. P.S. I sent what I wrote about the psychotronic weaponry and about religion to the only e-mail address I could find for Mr. Chomsky. |
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Vierlingj wrote: Well I would suggest that you use common sense. The following is an excerpt from a biography page of Mr Chomsky. The page is located at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky. Here is the excerpt - "Chomsky's critique of Skinner's methodology and basic assumptions paved the way for a revolution against the behaviorist doctrine that had governed psychology. snip Second, he argued that large parts of what the adult mind can do are "innate". While no child is born automatically able to speak a language, all are born with a powerful language learning ability which allows them to soak up several languages very quickly in their early years. Subsequent psychologists have extended this thesis far beyond language; the mind is no longer considered a "blank slate" at birth." I will address the three key ideas part. This is absolute nonsense. No one is born with any religious beliefs or other beliefs. To say this is to say that a newborn has understanding of those beliefs. Some examples for you to consider. Can you say "non sequitur"? I knew you could... Chomsky's arguments (and your own, in the first part of your original posting) concerned language. Here you suddenly switch to religious beliefs. You can't slam Chomsky's arguments about language because you don't believe (rightly or wrongly) that they don't extend to religous beliefs. If you want to know what Chomsky says about language, and knowledge in general, you should read Chomsky. The Wikipedia is a nice brief summary of what Chomsky claimed, and from what you have quoted it seems accurate; but it is not (and is not intended to be) the entire argument. As for using common sense, I'm sure you know what Einstein said about that. I'll pass over most of what you say about children being born in this or that language environment, because the facts are all obviously true (you learn the language of your environment, whether or not it's the language of your biological parents), and becasue they're completely irrelevant to the innateness of the language ability, much less the innateness of religious beliefs (or any other beliefs). The powerful learning ability is called a brain. Said brain would be useless if it were not for the rest of the nervous system. Do you really think that you would be able to do anything without input sensory stimuli? snip Totally irrelevant to the argument about religion (or language). BTW, the Bible says much the same as what you say above, albeit using a different set of body parts to talk about how all parts are necessary. (I just thought I'd throw that in, it's not part of my argument.) As for mental states, yes the brain has the ability to operate at different frequencies. This is called being alive. At 0 Hz, you are dead. These frequencies are effected by external stimuli and/or lack of it. More irrelevance. (BTW, I believe you mean "affected" rather than "effected". You should look up the two words in a dictionary, because the difference is probably relevant to your argument.) The brain is indeed a pretty blank slate at birth. With the exception of what has already happened in the forming of the nervous system due to chemical reactions in the womb. While Mr. Chomsky has been correct in some of writings especially about the media and often about the corruption in government, he is wrong about this. I submit that you don't know what you're talking about. Their are only three reasons to push that someone is born with beliefs. Who are you arguing against here? P.S. I sent what I wrote about the psychotronic weaponry and about religion to the only e-mail address I could find for Mr. Chomsky. Chomsky has much more important things to do than reply to people who argue against him without having read what he has to say. |
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No what I wrote concerned the functioning of the brain during the learning
process. Or if you prefer how the learning process works. Language was simply used as an example as what I wrote applies to all learning. You wrote that I suddenly switched to religious beliefs, well then what would you say the article meant by beliefs? Then you suddenly jump to Einstein. Einstein, a person that tried to twist science or make up science to prove his asinine religious beliefs. The so-called innateness of the language ability. All learning is based on external stimuli and associations. Without the nervous system, that includes the brain, learning would be impossible. Then there is basic biological functioning, which is based on the chemical reactions occuring between the atoms that make up the human body and is not actually learned, it occurs. As for your reference to the babble (bible), it is nothing more than an aid in the brainwashing cults that use it. Same goes for any other religous doctrine. Then you go into pointing out a simple typographical error to supposedly show my stupidity. I am well aware of the difference in the two words. And yes it should have affected. Arguing against ? Merely pointing out facts to show why people would push said drivel. Your final statement says a lot considering you yourself wrote that you didn't read all of what I posted. Now you think you speak for him. Death to psychotronic weaponry. Religion is fraud. James M. Vierling Jr. |
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