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Is Elon Musk ready for the straitjacket ?
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:03:46 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: When will electrics pay a road tax for maintenance and construction, or will all roads be toll roads? Different places have different ways of collecting taxes for roads. In many jurisdictions, electric cars already pay through registration fees. Where gas taxes are used, no doubt other methods will be developed. |
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On Friday, 13 October 2017 15:47:14 UTC+2, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:03:46 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: When will electrics pay a road tax for maintenance and construction, or will all roads be toll roads? Different places have different ways of collecting taxes for roads. In many jurisdictions, electric cars already pay through registration fees. Where gas taxes are used, no doubt other methods will be developed. A Danish professor is claiming the CO2 involved in the construction and transport of large car batteries in China is no better than the infernal combustion engine. The main problem is the continuing use of coal fired energy in China for vehicle and battery construction. There may well be a long time lag until the electric car overtakes the gas guzzler. Charging the car battery using coal-fired, power stations at their eventual destination is hardly CO2 neutral either. A better [CO2] scenario is wind or solar powered recharging. Best of all, would be small scale, local, solar power charging the battery for the car owner from his own roof. There would be no large and wasteful energy corporation and all the added costs [and extra CO2!] Particularly where they are demanding their quarterly bills be paid from whichever fuel is considered cheapest regardless of CO2 efficiency. Importing fuel for energy production, from right around the world, is hardly 'green' or CO2 neutral. It often has a green or political negative attached as some despot fells his nation's inherited forests. It's all about recognizing the full lifetime, CO2 footprint, rather than wishful thinking. I'll just have to keep pedalling my bike until I am crushed by the weight of all awards and financial benefits from a grateful society. Why can't I sell my CO2 savings to VW diesel guzzlers? ;-) |
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:42:36 -0700 (PDT), "Chris.B"
wrote: On Friday, 13 October 2017 15:47:14 UTC+2, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:03:46 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: When will electrics pay a road tax for maintenance and construction, or will all roads be toll roads? Different places have different ways of collecting taxes for roads. In many jurisdictions, electric cars already pay through registration fees. Where gas taxes are used, no doubt other methods will be developed. A Danish professor is claiming the CO2 involved in the construction and transport of large car batteries in China is no better than the infernal combustion engine. The main problem is the continuing use of coal fired energy in China for vehicle and battery construction. There may well be a long time lag until the electric car overtakes the gas guzzler. Charging the car battery using coal-fired, power stations at their eventual destination is hardly CO2 neutral either. A better [CO2] scenario is wind or solar powered recharging. Best of all, would be small scale, local, solar power charging the battery for the car owner from his own roof. There would be no large and wasteful energy corporation and all the added costs [and extra CO2!] Particularly where they are demanding their quarterly bills be paid from whichever fuel is considered cheapest regardless of CO2 efficiency. Importing fuel for energy production, from right around the world, is hardly 'green' or CO2 neutral. It often has a green or political negative attached as some despot fells his nation's inherited forests. It's all about recognizing the full lifetime, CO2 footprint, rather than wishful thinking. I'll just have to keep pedalling my bike until I am crushed by the weight of all awards and financial benefits from a grateful society. Why can't I sell my CO2 savings to VW diesel guzzlers? ;-) Also worth considering that carbon sequestration is an option for fossil fuel powered plants, but not really for individual vehicles. We don't need to be all non-fossil for electric vehicles to put a dent in the carbon released into the atmosphere. |
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Chris L Peterson wrote in
: On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:42:36 -0700 (PDT), "Chris.B" wrote: On Friday, 13 October 2017 15:47:14 UTC+2, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:03:46 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: When will electrics pay a road tax for maintenance and construction, or will all roads be toll roads? Different places have different ways of collecting taxes for roads. In many jurisdictions, electric cars already pay through registration fees. Where gas taxes are used, no doubt other methods will be developed. A Danish professor is claiming the CO2 involved in the construction and transport of large car batteries in China is no better than the infernal combustion engine. The main problem is the continuing use of coal fired energy in China for vehicle and battery construction. There may well be a long time lag until the electric car overtakes the gas guzzler. Charging the car battery using coal-fired, power stations at their eventual destination is hardly CO2 neutral either. A better [CO2] scenario is wind or solar powered recharging. Best of all, would be small scale, local, solar power charging the battery for the car owner from his own roof. There would be no large and wasteful energy corporation and all the added costs [and extra CO2!] Particularly where they are demanding their quarterly bills be paid from whichever fuel is considered cheapest regardless of CO2 efficiency. Importing fuel for energy production, from right around the world, is hardly 'green' or CO2 neutral. It often has a green or political negative attached as some despot fells his nation's inherited forests. It's all about recognizing the full lifetime, CO2 footprint, rather than wishful thinking. I'll just have to keep pedalling my bike until I am crushed by the weight of all awards and financial benefits from a grateful society. Why can't I sell my CO2 savings to VW diesel guzzlers? ;-) Also worth considering that carbon sequestration is an option for fossil fuel powered plants, but not really for individual vehicles. We don't need to be all non-fossil for electric vehicles to put a dent in the carbon released into the atmosphere. Natural gas is rather cleaner than coal (and cleaner for the energy produced than gasoline in a car, too), too, and already is used to generate more electricity. Cost is a big, big issue, though, for the consumer. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
Chris L Peterson wrote in : On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:42:36 -0700 (PDT), "Chris.B" wrote: On Friday, 13 October 2017 15:47:14 UTC+2, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:03:46 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: When will electrics pay a road tax for maintenance and construction, or will all roads be toll roads? Different places have different ways of collecting taxes for roads. In many jurisdictions, electric cars already pay through registration fees. Where gas taxes are used, no doubt other methods will be developed. A Danish professor is claiming the CO2 involved in the construction and transport of large car batteries in China is no better than the infernal combustion engine. The main problem is the continuing use of coal fired energy in China for vehicle and battery construction. There may well be a long time lag until the electric car overtakes the gas guzzler. Charging the car battery using coal-fired, power stations at their eventual destination is hardly CO2 neutral either. A better [CO2] scenario is wind or solar powered recharging. Best of all, would be small scale, local, solar power charging the battery for the car owner from his own roof. There would be no large and wasteful energy corporation and all the added costs [and extra CO2!] Particularly where they are demanding their quarterly bills be paid from whichever fuel is considered cheapest regardless of CO2 efficiency. Importing fuel for energy production, from right around the world, is hardly 'green' or CO2 neutral. It often has a green or political negative attached as some despot fells his nation's inherited forests. It's all about recognizing the full lifetime, CO2 footprint, rather than wishful thinking. I'll just have to keep pedalling my bike until I am crushed by the weight of all awards and financial benefits from a grateful society. Why can't I sell my CO2 savings to VW diesel guzzlers? ;-) Also worth considering that carbon sequestration is an option for fossil fuel powered plants, but not really for individual vehicles. We don't need to be all non-fossil for electric vehicles to put a dent in the carbon released into the atmosphere. Natural gas is rather cleaner than coal (and cleaner for the energy produced than gasoline in a car, too), too, and already is used to generate more electricity. Cost is a big, big issue, though, for the consumer. It still burns to CO2 and the methane escapes during natural gas extraction have a much stronger greenhouse effect than CO2. It’s a step forward but not the answer. Much better in cities than petrol and diesel. |
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Mike Collins:
[Natural gas is] Much better in cities than petrol and diesel. The best thing for the cities would be to get automobiles out altogether. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:38:38 -0400, Davoud wrote:
Mike Collins: [Natural gas is] Much better in cities than petrol and diesel. The best thing for the cities would be to get automobiles out altogether. Self-driving electric cars might be a sensible part of a city's transportation system, though. Especially if they are publicly owned. That could extend the boundaries within a city where public transportation would make sense. |
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Davoud wrote:
Mike Collins: [Natural gas is] Much better in cities than petrol and diesel. The best thing for the cities would be to get automobiles out altogether. And what do the buses run on while you’re building the transit systems - In Sydney they seem to run on natural gas. Trolley buses would be a better system but these were removed from the streets of the UK in the 1950s and 60s. I’ve only seen then in routine use in Vancouver. |
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Davoud wrote in :
Mike Collins: [Natural gas is] Much better in cities than petrol and diesel. The best thing for the cities would be to get automobiles out altogether. By some definitions of best, maybe. By others, likely far more popular, "best" would involved tracking down all the extremist whackjob enivronmentalists and rendering their bodies down into hydrocarbon fuel. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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Mike Collins wrote in
rnal-september.org: Davoud wrote: Mike Collins: [Natural gas is] Much better in cities than petrol and diesel. The best thing for the cities would be to get automobiles out altogether. And what do the buses run on while you’re building the transit systems - In Sydney they seem to run on natural gas. Trolley buses would be a better system but these were removed from the streets of the UK in the 1950s and 60s. I’ve only seen then in routine use in Vancouver. Perhaps he's really talking about forcing all the *people* out of cities, too. That's as likely to happen. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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