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Old July 10th 03, 03:33 AM
ralph sansbury
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http://www.bestweb.net/~sansbury/book01.htm
http://www.bestweb.net/~sansbury/book01.pdf








INTRODUCTION

One could characterize this book as being about evidence for
charge polarization inside electrons and atomic nuclei and what
that implies, particularly with respect to gravity and light and
the effect of gravity on light. But it can also be characterized
as being about the two most damaging mistakes in the history of
physics.

The first was Roemer's so called measurement of the speed of
light in 1676; the second was Kaufmann's 1903 measurement
of the apparent increase of the mass of beta electrons as their
velocity increased. The experts of the times in these specific
sorts of measurements, in each case, were ignored. Preference was
given to the opinions of a larger number of scientists whose
expertise lay elsewhere

The damage caused by these mistakes continues to undermine our
basic understanding of electromagnetic radiation, gravity and the
atom. Recent advances in optics and electronics provide the
necessary tools to correct these mistakes and put physics back on
track.

When we do so, we shall see that gravity is a form of magnetism
and that magnetism is a form of electrostatic force involving
charge polarization inside electrons and inside atomic nuclei. We
shall see also that the delay associated with electromagnetic
induction and radiation is due to the reaction time of charge
polarization inside electrons and atomic nuclei of the receiver.

Let's summarize briefly the two mistakes. First, Roemer's
measurement of the speed of light required that light be a wave
front or a group of moving particles while Bradley's and Fizeau's
light speed measurements allowed light to be interpreted as the
cumulative effect of instantaneous forces at a distance. That is,
Roemer's measurement required that reflected sunlight, reflected
from the surfaces of Jupiter's moons, traveled as a wave front or
particle for about 40 minutes using Bradley's value (or 55
minutes using Roemer's value) until it reached the earth. By
which time an observer on the earth would have moved with the
earth a substantial distance, frequently from under clouds, to a
location with an unclouded view of the night sky. That is
Roemer's measurement did not require constant exposure to the
light source.

However, recent light speed measurements suggest that constant
exposure is required and that the cumulative effect
interpretation is closer to the facts.

It is necessary to point out here that communications with
distant satellites do not confirm Roemer's measurement as they
would seem to at first glance. These communications involve so
many repetitions of each faint bit in each signal so that the
signal can be distinguished from noise, that comunications delay
from such needed repetition is typically greater than the delay
from the speed of light; so that the delay implied by the speed
of light is assumed but not tested in these cases. Also the
control of a distant satellite is based on just previous
communication with the satellite. It is the difference in time
between successive communications which is important not the time
between when the signal is sent from the satellite to when it is
received on the earth etc..

Someone with a GPS device, complained to me recently that signals
received from several satellites at slightly different times by
his GPS device which could then compute his position, was a
conclusive argument against the cumulative effect interpretation.

I could only reply that in these cases the time differences were
of the order of milli to nanoseconds; that during such small
intervals of time the cumulative effect and the moving
wave/particle interpretation of light give the same results.

He offered no counterargument but he would not be persuaded.

The cumulative effect interpretation makes Einstein's valiant
effort to save Maxwell's theory from the Michelson Morely
experiment, with dilations and contractions of space-time,
unnecessary. In fact if we view light as the cumulative effect of
instantaneous forces at a distance Maxwell's premise of an
invisible massless field conveying electric and magnetic
influences from a source to a receiver is also rendered
unnecessary.

The problems of the photon theory, of the wave photon duality or
of the probabilistic photon are similarly avoided. The
probabilistic photon theory begs the question of what actually
happens in the process of emission and reception of a photon.
Also and perhaps more importantly the photon theory does not
explain how a photon can move like a particle and yet not have
the other characteristics essential to the definition of a
particle, like its mass (as measured by a mass spectrometer etc).

One might object that a cumulative instantaneous force theory
does not explain how forces can occur between objects which are
not touching. The response to this is that sure, human beings
must touch things to move them. But the primitive human
experience includes magnetic and electrostatic attractions and
repulsions between things which are not touching.

Consider the force between charged particles such as leaves of
tin foil on a simple electroscope. The leaves are fastened
together at the top by say an aluminum paper clip. The aluminum
clip and the top part of the leaves are charged. The bottom parts
of the leaves are free to move apart and they do because
similarly charged particles repel each other. The formula for
this repulsion is an inverse square force similar in form to
Newton's gravitational force. It is not necessary here to
postulate a field or the movement of photons.

In fact if we were to postulate the existence of undefined
entities unnecessarily we would stand in violation of the
scientific method specifically of Occam's principle of parsimony.

Hence the cumulative effect interpretation of light would, having
fewer assumed entities, be preferable to the present theory of
light if we could show Roemer's so called measurement to be due
to other causes. We will discuss these causes in the section on
light speed measurements.

The second major mistake in the history of physics has to do with
the apparent increase of mass of beta electrons as they
approached the speed of light. Beta electrons (electrons emitted
by nuclei of radioactive atoms) of various speeds near the speed
of light were observed. Their increasing responsiveness to a
magnetic field as their velocity increased was seen,
unexpectedly, to slack off when the velocity increased beyond a
specific amount. The rate of increase of the response, as the
velocity increased, unexpectedly decreased. Instead of being
attributed to changes in some previously unobserved quality of
magnetic responsiveness, these changes were attributed to
increasing inertia or mass. The force producing the velocity
somehow after some threshold point produced an increase in mass
also.

Kaufmann, the one person who had most familiarity with this sort
of experiment objected that the data seemed to require different
values for the mass in different directions. But his objections
were ignored in favor of the simpler explanation offered by
Special Relativity whose success in explaining the Michelson
Morely experiment was in its favor.

We will discuss Kaufmann's reasons later and show that a better
explanation is that there is a change in magnetic responsiveness
as the speed of a charged particle increases to the speed of
light. The explanation is better because it requires fewer
assumptions and is consistent with new discoveries in nuclear
physics.

The increasing number of premises and circumlocutions in modern
physics are due to the mistaken interpretations of Roemer's and
of Kaufmann's measurements. When Faraday and Maxwell first
imagined invisible lines of force, wheels and ball bearings to
help them understand electromagnetic induction and radiation as
implied by Roemer's experiment, it was not inconceivable that
such things existed. But even during Maxwell's lifetime
improbable implications of such entities became difficult to
ignore. For example the invisible and perhaps vacuous field
medium carrying light would have to have the rigidity of iron.

Despite such problems with field theories, the apparent lack of
any alternative to explain the phenomena of radiation, e.g.
Roemer's measurement, has led to even more extravagant claims for
fields.

Physicists like Witten at Harvard, for example believe that
latent energy and mass may exist in a complete vacuum, in
massless space; that the existence of fields implies such a
possiblity. Witten calls these vacuous latent mass energy things,
strings and they are somewhat similar to Wheeler's quantum foam.
And other physicists like Kip Thorne at Stanford extending the
ideas of John Wheeler, believe there are wormholes in space-time,
since space-time near a large dense star could be severely bent
out of shape; also perhaps, that these wormholes may lead to
otherwise invisible universes. The mathematical complexity of the
justification for these speculations confounds journalists who
anyway have to be more concerned with catchy phrases and
startling images than with scientific clarity.

But one doesn't have to follow a lengthy mathematical argument to
see the probable fallacy in such speculations. Regarding latent
energy and mass in vacous space. Our only experience of latent
energy and mass is in the presence of other mass and not far from
such masses, in empty space. For example, radioactive nuclei
produce charged particles of lesser mass that move at high
velocities. These particles are visible as they move through
cloud chambers and cause condensation around them in their
successive positions in the moist vapor of the cloud chamber. But
sometimes, uncharged particles may be ejected and soon break up
into charged particles that seem to appear out of nowhere. But
such things are not observed to occur in vacuous space far from
the mass of an excited atomic nucleus and so may be the breakup
of an ejected particle of net zero charge.

The small Casimir attraction between uncharged metal plates and
the Aharanov Bohm shift of electron beam interference effects can
be attributed to charge polarization inside moving electrons and
atomic nuclei and not to latent energy in the vacuum. Similarly
the zero point energy of electrons etc can be attributed to the
orbital system within electrons etc.

Regarding wormholes, black holes, and other implications of the
General Relativity assumption that mass distorts space-time and
the premise that the density of imploding mass can increase
beyond specific limits as implied by quantum mechanics:

The situation is analogous to a rubber band stretched to the
limit. One cannot apply indefinitely a linear formula to describe
the amount of stretching produced by a given force on a rubber
band. At some point the band loses its elasticity and the
relation between force and stretch loses its linearity. And at
some point the band breaks but the formula keeps grinding out
numbers. The linear formula alone is not enough to tell when the
band breaks. When extrapolations claim the existence of stranger
and stranger phenomena, it is time, isn't it, to question the
validity of the extrapolation and the applicability of one' s
basic assumptions and theory.

Necessary information is lacking in black hole and wormhole
speculations based on the predictions of equations that are
observed to be valid for some values of the independent
variables. Will these same formula work for unobserved values of
the independent variables? Probably not, especially if the
predictions are counter to our previous experience of similar
things and events.

Let us look more closely, also, at the assumptions required for
black holes and wormholes. Regarding General Relativity: the
effect of the sun's mass in delaying slightly the time when the
eye recognizes light from a distant star can be attributed to the
effect of the sun's mass on the eye or other receiver of the
radiation; that is, we do not have to assume that space time is
bent by large masses as assumed by General Relativity. Similarly
the precession of the perihelion of the planets may be attributed
to a torque interaction between the planets and the sun as
dipoles; we do not have to assume that space-time is bent. By
dipoles here I mean electrostatic dipoles and the evidence of
such dipoles will be shown in a later section dealing with
gravity.

Regarding how much a star can collapse given the forces of
repulsion between atomic nuclei and parts of atomic nuclei, the
evidence of neutron stars with densities one hundred trillion
times that of water or of the sun may point to even greater
densities and black holes and singularities. But as we have said,
when limits are approached and extrapolations are made of things
happening that are unlike anything we know, it is time to
reassess the boundaries of the theory that leads to such
extrapolations.

The reassessment involves observing evidence for charged orbiting
particles inside electrons and atomic nuclei and what that
implies, particularly with regard to accepted hypotheses
regarding 1)Ampere's theory of magnetism, 2) the wave,photon and
probabilistic photon theories of electromagnetic radiation, 3)the
quantum theory of atomic energy levels and of magnetic phenomena,
4)exchange forces and the quark theory of Gell Mann, 5)
Einstein's special theory of relativity and mass energy
transformations 6) Newton's theory of gravity and Einstein's
general relativity theory.

No one after reading the evidence and the arguments in this book
can avoid the conclusion that all the forces of nature including
gravity, magnetism and the weak and strong nuclear forces are
derived from a single force, the electrostatic force.











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Old July 10th 03, 04:07 PM
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ralph sansbury wrote:

"ralph sansbury" wrote in message news:...
http://www.bestweb.net/~sansbury/book01.htm
http://www.bestweb.net/~sansbury/book01.pdf


Psychotic ineducable boring ralph sansbury,
http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf
http://www.you-moron.com/

http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html
http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/quack.html
http://www.firehead.org/~jessh/film/kubrick/Kubrick-Psycho.html
http://www.naturalchild.com/elliott_barker/prisons.html

Hey, stooopid ralph sansbury - Do you want EVIDENCE? Each of the 24
GPS satellites carries either four cesium atomic clocks or three
rubidum atomic clocks in orbit, with full relativistic corrections
being applied.

http://rattler.cameron.edu/EMIS/journals/LRG/Articles/Volume4/2001-4will/index.html
Experimental constraints on General relativity.
http://rattler.cameron.edu/EMIS/journals/LRG/Articles/Volume6/2003-1ashby/index.html
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
Relativity in the GPS system

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Old July 10th 03, 08:43 PM
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Well, some **** for brains idiot has tried to put this stupid thread to
SCI,OPTICS again. I've removed it from the newsgroups listed.
Please leave us out of the header as all of us have already had our fill of
the total stupidity of the whole thread.

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Old July 17th 03, 09:16 PM
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Charles Cagle wrote in message
...
In article , beavith
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:09:50 GMT, Charles Cagle
wrote:

In article , beavith
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:51:21 GMT, Charles Cagle
wrote:

In article , Robert J. Kolker
wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:
There is no "electrostatic force." Electromagnetic forces

propagated
by spin-1 vector bosons do not unify with gravitation which, if

it is
quantized at all, propagates via a spin-2 tensor boson.

I am having a bit of trouble with this. What is the Coulomb force
between two charges, then? Why isn't that electrostatic? The

mutual
force between two charged particles does not depend on their

motion, as
is the case of the Lorentz force of a mag field on a moving

charge.

Regardless of the means of intermediation, be it virtual photons

or
action at distance, the instanteneous force each charge feels from

the
other depends on the distance (1/distance^2) and the magnitude and

sign
of the charges (charge 1 * charge 2).

Bob Kolker

In reality the force between elementary charged particles does

depend
upon their relative motion. If two particles have a common de

Broglie
wavelength equal to or greater than their interparticle distance
[measured from their center of momentum frame] then their

interactive
behavior will be just opposite to the expectations of Coulomb's law.

This interesting fact can be directly deduced from two simple axioms
and Maxwell's equations.

Axiom 1: Quantum particles can only have motion with respect to

other
quantum particles and not with respect to any arbitrarily contrived
coordinate system.

so what?

So you're asleep at the switch, that's what, if you can't grasp the
implications of a background independent physics.


nice. i try to cut to the point of the argument, and a wealth of
condescention descends. i'll try and remain polite. unlike you.


Mentioning it at all while saying 'unlike you' eliminates the potential
for your politeness.




Axiom 2: Quantum particles always move to the lowest energy state
situation available.

quantum particles can be in any state. atomic and electronic states
tend to the lowest level. this is not the same thing

Your tendency to obtusity is evident.


sticks and stones. so, do quantum states move to the lowest energy
state or not? or is that property an atomic or molecular one?


Axiom 2: Quantum particles always move to the lowest energy state
situation available.

I never said anything about quantum states moving to anything.






It should be interesting to any true aficianado of physics that
Coulomb's law is invalid when it comes to elementary charged

particles
which are overlapping in momentum space. That's right, using the
principle of the relativity of motion and Maxwell's equation:
Del X H= permeability*dE/dt one can show that if elementary charged
particles are in the same momentum space (that they have a common de
Broglie wavelength [calculated from a center of momentum frame] that

is
equal to or greater than the interparticle distance) that they will
behave in a manner which is just opposite to the expectations of
Coulomb's law. This is a matter of straight forward deduction and is
substantiated by quite a lot of data.

?

Cooper pairing is a good example, but then the most blatant evidence is
the existence of nuclei with multiple protons.


i thought Cooper Pairs only applied to electrons, under
superconducting conditions/materials?
am i wrong? where do protons come into it?


Cooper Pairing applies to electrons. And Cooper Pairing is a good
example of Coulomb's law being violated or elementary charged particles
acting opposite to the expectation of Coulomb's law. The protons
mentioned are also violating the expectations of Coulomb's law. And
don't jump up an chime in 'strong force'. Most physicists believe that
the Coulombic repulsion is still happening at the time the so-called
strong force is dominating the interaction. In reality, Coulombic
repulsion for like charged particles overlapping in momentum space is
and always has been a fiction.


Of course, the data, which is
pointed to as substantiation already has a well accepted explanation

or
set of arguments designed to explain the existence of said data

along
other lines. In other words, when the existence of said data first
became known then physicists were in a terrible quandary because

they
saw that the data was contrary to the expectations of Coulomb's law.
What was this data? It was the discovery, circa 1910, that the

nuclei
of elements that are not isotopes of hydrogen can have multiple

protons
in close proximity without displaying the repulsive interaction
predicted by Coulomb's law.

strong force

knee jerk reaction. The strong force is a cobbled together piece of
pseudoscientific nonsense. It is an intellectual invention which
cannot be differentiated from the work product of a pathological liar.
That so many fools have been taken in by it and its subsequent
extrapolations (gluons, quarks, charm, color, strangeness, etc. etc.)
is only testimony to how complex lies must become as they are
challenged by data and of how many fools occupy the hall of academia
these days.


i don't know about cobbled or pseudoscientific. i will feel better
about it, tho, when its been integrated into the electroweak framework
that Maxwelll's work has been integrated into.
while Occam's razor sure makes the "subsequent extrapolations" not as
elegant as a simple framework, it doesn't defy observed science, your
complaining notwithstanding


Neither quarks or any of their properties have been observed.






Now, I know that most of those who post on this n.g. are going to

get
their hackles up because when I attack the pseudoscientific

arguments
that were 'invented' to 'explain away' the obvious deviation from
Coulombic behavior they basically understand that I am attacking

what
they believe in. Since most people have trouble separating what

they
believe in from the basic definition of who they are then when

someone
attacks their belief they immediately become defensive. There's no
nice way to separate the attack of an irrational belief from an

attack
on the person since they ultimately must bear responsibility for
associating what they believe with who they are. However, there's a
loophole for those of you who want to escape this sinking ship of
modern pseudoscience. Don't attach yourself to false beliefs, sell
your stock in falsehood. Oops! Many cannot sell their stock in

trade
because it is what they make their living with. They can't sell all
that they treasure and take the proceeds and buy the truth. For

those
who cannot divorce themselves from the pseudophysics it is almost

like
they are galley slaves chained into the subcompartments of their
particular subdisciplines in modern physics. Unfortunately for them
their ship has been rammed and is sinking.

oh? really? many recriminations. no proof.

Really. A fool like you can never come to a point where he accepts the
fact that he's a fool. He can accept no 'proof' just because of the
nature of what he calls a 'proof'.


now you made me cry... boo hoo.
proof stands on its own two feet. barking at someone who only wants
to understand what you are saying doesn't strengthen your argument.
however, maybe if you type in caps, that'll help me.


Not much is going to help you unless you wake up and realize that
'proof' is only an arbitrary quantity of 'evidence' and that 'evidence'
is the subjective interpretation of data typically within the framework
of a particular paradigm. Proof in the logical or mathematical sense
is a different matter.





My claim relates to nuclear fusion, to the operation of stars and

even
to the denial of the existence of things that General Relativity
predicts like black holes and is as I stated above that pairs of
elementary charged particles which have a common de Broglie

wavelength
[calculated from a center of momentum frame] that is equal to or
greater than the interparticle distance will interact in a manner

that
is opposite to such behavior as would be predicted by Coulomb's law.
Simply: 1) If two like charged particles obtain to a condition where
they are at rest with respect to one another (overlapping in

momentum
space as above) then they will be strongly attractively interactive.

proof? something like a BEC? that'd only be at the atomic level,

tho

You overlook the obvious because it is so obvious and because you've
checked your brain at the hat stand as you came in the doors of
academia.


i've been out of academia for a little while now. understanding this
would be to my sole benefit, your abuse notwithstanding.


Well, it would be to your benefit to stay away from academia.




2) If two unlike charged particles obtain to a condition where they
are at rest with respect to one another (overlapping in momentum

space
as above) then they will be strongly repulsively interactive.

You can arrive at this conclusion from Maxwell's equations and the
axiomatic physical principle that all motion is relative.

I had a conversation with Ephraim Fischbach of Purdue several years
back. Ephraim is an internationally recognized expert in particle
physics.

I presented the challenge to him that I had never found any
experimental data that proved that Coulomb's law held true for
elementary charged particles which were at rest with respect to one
another.

negative evidence is not proof

Of course, it isn't. And I never stated that it was. Straw man.


let me see what i didn't understand...
"never found any experimental data that Coulomb's law held true"

this would be a fallacy, since no experiment or being able to find any
experimental data shows that nobody knows anything on the subject.


It isn't a fallacy. Its an eye opener. There is no experimental data
that demonstrates that Coulomb's law holds true for elementary
particles which are overlapping in momentum space. I'm saying that
there does exist experimental data to the contrary. Multiple protons
in the nuclei of atoms is an example of protons which are overlapping
in momentum space and they are not repelling one another. Cooper Pairs
are another example of same charged particles overlapping in momentum
space which have become attractively interactive.


of course, this subject regards evidence that violates everything
understood about Coulombs Law. reaching a conclusion counter to that
law without a confirmatory experiment is, as you would say,
pseudoscientific.


Sometimes you have to realize that the experiment has already been done
but that people have been asleep at the switch.



perhaps i shouldn't have said "proof," but there is no reason to
reject Coulomb, or be concerned in the slightest that is a defect in
the supporting theory, other than, perhaps, you want there to be a
defect.


Nonsense. Coulomb's law was formulated without the consideration that
elementary charged particles under most observational conditions have
lots of relative motion and are not generally overlapping in momentum
space.



In fact, I stated that there had never been an experiment in
the history of physics which showed that elementary charged

particles
which are at rest with respect to one another behaved according to

the
expectations of Coulomb's Law. After a moment or two of

consideration,
Dr. Fischbach confessed that he had to agree with me, that he

likewise
knew of no experiment which conclusively proved this. First, it is

a
tremendously difficult experiment to undertake and would be

exceedingly
technically challenging.

agreed

Finally.


don't break your arm patting yourself on your back just yet.



Second, since virtually all physicists are
predisposed to agree in advance that the particles would behave
according to Coulomb's law, no one would be particularly surprised

at
the results of an experiment concerning which they are already sure

of
the outcome so on that basis alone the experiment is not considered
sufficiently interesting to undertake as a project.

if you could dream up an experiment that'd disprove a fundamental
understanding in any science, scientists would be climbing all over
it. what you say doesn't defy sense, it defies reality.

Nonsense. There's a universe of data which says otherwise and because
a bad explanation of that data has been accepted for so many years then
the very 'proof' that you're looking for is like the 'purloined
letter'; it is right in front of you but you've accepted a
pseudoscientific explanation.


i'm all ears. where is this experimental evidence? rather than be
swindled, maybe i can get a Nobel Prize for proving a more general
theory than Coulomb. it worked for Einstein.


Is that what you want? A Nobel prize? When people like Steven
Weinberg get them then their value becomes quite deluted.



How could you admit to being
intellectually swindled without disclosing that you're a fool?


if i'm wrong, i'm wrong. sue me.


No. You need to sue yourself. Kick your own self in the butt and turn
yourself around and get going in the right direction.



You can't. Your ego is in the way.


not at all. i'm no expert. if there is any truth to this stuff, it
should be evident. so far, nothing is clear.


It is painfully evident - unless you happen to have your head where the
sun doesn't shine. It is a matter of correctly interpreting data that
has been misinterpreted for years.




What I'm proposing, however, is that we can logically deduce, using
Maxwell's equations together with principle of the relativity of
motion, that elementary charged particles that are at rest with

respect
to one another will, in fact, behave precisely opposite to the
expectations provided by Coulomb's Law.

Bear with me please, while I lay out my reasoning. When we write
Maxwell's equations in terms of E and H only then we have:

1) Del X H = permittivity dE/dt
2) Del X E = -permeability dH/dt
3) Del dot E = 0
4) Del dot H = 0

Equation 1) as applied to a charged particle suggests that if that
charged particle should have motion so that there would be a

variation
in E so that a vector field with rotation (Del X H) should arise

around
the translational axis of that motion.

Considering the principle that all motion is relative one must

reflect
that a charged particle cannot move with respect to itself and hence

in
the rest frame of such particle this predicted vector field could

not
exist. Instead, such a field could only exist in the rest frame of

the
particle or observer which had relative motion with respect to the
particle.

So, if we had two protons, A and B which had relative motion then
emanating from B's location but not local to B (not existing in B's
rest frame) would be a vector field as predicted by equation 1)

above.
Such vector field would lie on parallel planes perpendicular to the
translational axis of relative motion between A and B.

Likewise, because of the relative motion of the two particles then
emanating from A's location but not local to A would also arise a
vector field which also would lie on parallel planes perpendicular

to
the translational axis of relative motion between A and B.

The vector field emanating from A's location would exist in B's rest
frame (momentum space) and the vector field emanating from B's

location
would exist in A's rest frame (momentum space).

Now, for two same charged particles that don't have relative motion
with respect to each other one might presume that there would be an
electrostatic repulsion between them. But as I pointed out above,
there's actually no experimental data that has shown this to be the
case. Bear in mind that I'm not suggesting that two same charged
particles that have relative motion will not repel one another but

only
that elementary charged particles which don't have relative motion

will
not. So, let's consider two protons, A and B, which are overlapping
in momentum space and which are separated by distance d.

In the rest frame of third particle C which has motion with respect

to
A and B will arise a pair of vector fields (Del X H)^AC and
(Del X H)^BC where AC and BC are superscripts (not exponents) to
indicate the vector fields generated by the relative motion of A

with
respect to C and B with respect to C, respectively. This pair of
vector fields will emanate from A and B respectively but will be
nonlocal to both A and B because neither A nor B can move with

respect
to themselves (as noted above).

What I'm proposing here is that for any perpendicular component of

the
relative velocity of C with respect to a plane coincident with a
straight line joining A and B that the two vector fields (Del X

H)^AC
and (Del X H)^BC will produce magnetic H loops that will interact in
such a manner as to produce what appears to be an attractive
interaction between A and B.

where did this magnetism arise, assuming these are subatomic
particles? photon mediated? instigated by motion relative to the 3
particles?

Where do you see me use the word 'magnetism'? H by definition is
magnetic field intensity measured in Ampere/meter. The H arises on a
plane perpendicular to the translational axis of motion of a charged
particle. See: Del X H = permittivity dE/dt, above.


ok.

magnetic field is not the same as magnetism? i suppose at right
angles to that magnetic field, you would find an electric field with a
unit of helmholtz/meter?


Magnetism is an overused word.

"Explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot tampering in Palm Beach,
Fl"
Errors only Occurred in Presidential Races?
Editor's Note: The following statistical analysis was sent to me by Robert
Cook, PE, a nuclear engineer, with an MS in statistical quality control, a
software testing specialist and QA manager, who has a
track record for analyzing and correcting trends, errors, and mistakes in
heavy construction projects (ships, power plants, nuclear reactors, military
and aerospace vehicles, etc. for more than twenty
years.
Robert Cook presents here a remarkable statistical analysis of the Palm
Beach presidential ballot controversy that deserves serious investigation.
He says that the controversial 19,120 Presidential race
ballots at issue there were "destroyed by deliberate double-punching ballots
in Palm Beach County FL with a 'second punch' for Al Gore or Pat Buchanan.
(In 1996, an additional 15,000 Dole and
Perot ballots were destroyed by double-punching presidential ballots in Palm
Beach County, FL. *)

09 November, 2000
By: Robert A. Cook, PE
425 Franklin Road, #520 Marietta, GA 30067

Ref: Statistical evidence establishes beyond reasonable doubt that 19,120
Presidential race ballots were destroyed by deliberate double-punching
ballots in Palm Beach County FL with a "second punch" for Al
Gore or Pat Buchanan. (In 1996, an additional 15,000 Dole and Perot ballots
were destroyed by double-punching presidential ballots in Palm Beach County,
FL. *)
The national error rate of double-punching ballots is less than 1/2 of one
percent, or at most, 1800 ballots in all of Palm Beach County, with the
errors between all races and all candidates.
19,120 double punched ballots -all in one race, with "errors" only occurring
two Presidential races against Republican opposition - is 33,000 "too many"
to be an accident.
References:
(*9 Nov, 2000 CNN; Jim Smith, Former Florida Secretary of State; WSJ,
11-10-2000) (San Diego Union-Tribune, Nov 10, 2000, page A-12, Local Figure
on Double Voting Only 0.3%; Haas Sees
Red Flag in Florida Totals; by Caitlin Rother) (Los Vegas Sun, Nov 10, 2000.
Statistics Point To More Than Random Error in Florida Vote; by Jace Radke)
The news media is utterly focused on the Democratic Party spin that voters
were "confused" in Palm Beach, FL. They are ignoring the 15,000 Bush and
3,400 Buchanan votes that statistical evidence can show
were stolen by fraud in these 19,120 ballots.
There is explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot tampering in Palm
Beach FL. These ballots show Democratic voter fraud....NOT Republican fraud
or "voter error" as publicized by the national media.
Statistical evidence cannot prove any single ballot was tampered with, nor
show which individual tampered with any single ballot. It can show specific
places and times and methods where the fraud was done.
(For example, if 15,000 dollars are missing from the register the day after
your cashier left on a Los Vegas vacation, there is no direct evidence that
the cashier stole the money. If, however, 19,120 dollars are
missing from the register the next year when the cashier again leaves for
vacation in Los Vegas, one has reason to investigate the cashier closely.)
Consider these "unusual" ballot problems in Palm Beach, FL - every one of
them adds more Gore votes, and removed Republican and Reform party votes.
ONLY Palm Beach County Florida voters seem incapable of understanding and
using this style of ballot.
Palm Beach County has an error rate TEN TIMES larger than reported in ANY
other county in the nation using paper punch ballots! No information is
available about the number of ballots invalidated for
previous primary, state, and the 1998 Congressional votes. Unless an equal
number (equal proportion of "invalid ballots" per primary voter) of ballots
was double-punched in the 1996 primaries, the 1998
primaries, and the 1998 Congressional races ..... the Palm Beach election
officials are specifically guilty of deliberate ballot tampering fraud in
the year 2000 Presidential elections.)
ONLY in Palm Beach FL were 15,000 ballots "invalidated" (for double punched
ballots) in the 1996 Presidential election. (This is almost unique among the
entire nation! (Certain central city Democratic
precincts in Chicago reported 120,000 double-punched ballots; and Duval
County in Florida reported 22,000 double-punched ballots. Neither used the
same arrangement of candidates as at Palm Beach. This
shows that "lining up" buttons was NOT actually an issue at Palm Beach, but
was created as an excuse to blame the symptoms of fraud at Palm Beach.)
One early excuse given to the national news media by Democratic "spokesmen"
to explain the Palm Beach fraud was that people were 'exchanging" their
double-punched ballots - and were given new ones...If
so, over 26 people per minute "were confused" and voted twice for President!
This many errors were supposedly made, detected, and corrected (by handing
out new ballots) while no person made any "error" in
any other race. This excuse would also mean that more voters were being
handed new ballots per minute than new voters were being signed in. (19,120
"double punched" Democratic ballots divided by 12
hours, there are fewer than 100 precincts in Palm Beach County where the
precinct level returns are suspect . Significantly, the massive number of
errors occurred only in a few of the precincts, and all of those
precincts were strongly Democratic. In precinct 144F, for example, there was
only one "counted" republican voter for president.)
However, the "double-punched" ballots counted in the election were NOT
exchanged, and were actually read by the voting machine. They are the
symptom and the method of the fraud. There is no reason for
this early Democratic Party statement other than that of beginning a
cover-up for the double-punched ballots.
Not surprisingly, this early fable was not maintained, and has not be
repeated. It also has not been retracted or contradicted by follow-up
stories in the national news media.
ONLY in Palm Beach (and in ONLY the most heavily Democratic precincts) were
19,120 ballots rejected in 2000 for double punching....(This is a 4.4% error
rate overall; in the rest of Florida there is less
than 1/2 of ONE percent "double punch" error rate! (Unofficially, this error
rate was 15% in predominately Afro-American precincts, and 10% in precincts
with large numbers of Jewish retirees.) In strongly
Republican precincts, the error rate was the "usual" 1/2 of one percent.)
San Diego County has 800,000 voters, and (overall) has more senior, retired,
minority, and new immigrants than does Palm Beach
County. Since all of these were represented the 1992, 1996, and 2000 results
in the San Diego double count totals, there can be no excuse for "innocent
errors" in Palm Beach.
ONLY in Palm Beach did this "double punch" error happen ONLY in the
Gore-Bush-Buchanan selections for President. (In a truly random "error," the
mistakes happen in every race, all at about the same rate.
In Palm Beach, the massive errors (over 19,000) ONLY happened in the
Presidential race.)
ONLY in Palm Beach has the news media complained about "massive" ballot
confusion. In the 43 counties in Missouri, also mostly Democratic voters,
which use the same kind of ballot, there are NO
complaints about "confused voters" at all. (St Louis Post Dispatch, Nov 8,
2000) Therefore, ONLY in Palm Beach FL do the Democrats have to "explain" a
massive number of incorrect votes.
ONLY in Palm Beach did Gore GAIN 750 votes in a recount. In 50 out of 67
counties in FL, the actual change in the recount was 5-7 votes, and in 63
out of 67 counties, the total change was less than 30
votes either way. Further, in 63 out of 67 counties the "changes" were
somewhat evenly divided between ALL the candidates, in rough proportion to
the original number of votes. This is the statistically
expected result, and represents a true and legal recount of the ballots
without any change in the ballots themselves.
This means that Palm Beach FL had an error rate in favor of Gore more than
120 TIMES greater than any other county, (Two other heavily Democratic
"inner city" counties (Flagler and Pinellas) had changes
greater than 400 votes. Whether or not fraud existed in those counties is
possible, but not analyzed here.) In a statistically valid recount, half of
the errors would favor Bush, and half favor Gore. This extreme
change from the normal in only three counties shows massive "tampering"
towards Gore in those three counties between the original machine count
(already tainted by fraud.) and the second machine recount.
In EVERY precinct in Palm Beach where Gore got more votes than there are
registered Democrats., Bush received less than 60% of the registered
Republican votes. In NO precinct in Palm Beach County did
Bush receive more than 80% of the number of registered Republicans. ....
(Absentee ballots were equally distributed by percentage between the two
parties at 8% each. Thus, there is specific evidence to show
that the "level of interest" in the Presidential election was equal between
the two parties.) It is ONLY in the "counted" turnout on Nov 7 that the
democrats appear to "remove" 15,000 votes in the Presidential
race.
Or, it is ONLY in Palm Beach County that more than 20% of the registered
Republicans "forgot" to vote for their party's presidential candidate. This
'lack of interest" by the republicans despite equally massive
"get-out-the vote" efforts by both parties. As shown by the absentee ballot
numbers, there WAS equal interest in the election by both parties; at least
until the votes were "totaled".
ONLY in Palm Beach did Bush receive LESS than 65% of the registered
Republican voters. (Registered Republicans = 231,626 while Bush voters =
152,954.) On average, in every other county in FL Bush
received MORE votes than there were registered Republicans. In the rest of
the nation, poll results show more than 90% of registered Republicans
actively supported the Republican candidate. (Also, unique in
the entire state, the percentage of Republican voters COUNTED as voting in
Palm Beach was much less than normal, despite the pre-election attention to
Florida as a critical state; and massive Republican get -
out-the-vote campaigns.)
This is very significant when the Republican Senate race is examined.
To compare similar counties in Florida, look at the 10 counties in Florida
where there are more than 100,000 democratic voters for president. In every
one of these counties - EXCEPT Palm Beach County -
Gore received FEWER votes than Nelson, the democratic Senate candidate. In
Palm Beach county, Gore received slightly more votes than Nelson, which is
not by itself statistically significant. However, his
"gain" over equally sized counties IS directly proportional to the number of
"blank ballets" (or "protest votes") that were cast in Palm Beach County.)
However, in 8 of 10 of these counties, Bush led McCollum (the Republican
Senate candidate by a major proportional to the county size, with the margin
being between 25,000 votes and 4000 votes.
McCollum ONLY led Bush in Palm Beach County and Lee County (which is also
the focus of fraud due to its change in votes during the recount.) The
margin of Bush's lead in two counties close to Palm
Beach in population was 15,000 votes and 15,000 - equal to the number of
Republican presidential voters "missing" when the number of registered
Republicans is checked.
The only way this could occur is if 15,000 registered Republican voters went
to the polls, and "forgot" to cast their votes for president, or were
"confused" and voted twice for President by did NOT replace
their ballot at the polling booth; while remembering to correctly and
accurately punch 15,000 votes for the Republican Senate candidate.
The same number of "missing" Republican votes is found when the four
Congressional races involved in Palm Beach County are checked.
ONLY in Palm Beach County do the smaller (Congressional) races outdraw the
Presidential race. Again, the number of total Republican votes "missing"
(not counted in the presidential race) is equal to 15,000
Bush votes destroyed by double punching in the Presidential race.
The only way this could occur is if 15,000 registered Republican voters went
to the polls, and "forgot" to cast their votes for president, or were
"confused" and voted twice for President but did NOT replace
their ballot at the polling booth; while remembering to correctly and
accurately punch 15,000 votes for the Republican Congressional candidate in
their district.
When the two "coincidences" of correct votes in two other races are
included, it is impossible to accept "confusion" in the presidential race.
ONLY in Palm Beach did Buchanan get less than HALF the of votes he received
before in 1996. Buchanan's "lost" votes in that county in 2000 were much
greater than in any other district in Florida.
(Buchanan received over 8,000 votes in 1996 Republican PRIMARY (where only
registered Republicans can vote; but he received only 3,407 under the Reform
Party from ALL voters in the 2000
Presidential election. (Pat Buchanan has relatives who lives in Palm Beach
County, and this local support greatly increase the number of local voters
who choose Buchanan, compared to every other region of
the country. There are over 14,551 members of the Reform party in Palm Beach
County - which indicates that less than 1/5 of the Reform voters voted for
their own candidate. The Fraud is NOT whether Gore
voters were "confused" and voted for Gore, but rather WHY Reform Party and
Libertarian voters were prevented from registering THEIR vote!)
Much has been (erroneously) made of the number of apparent Buchanan votes,
with some partial observers (paid by the democratic Party officials who
started the first lawsuits requesting a recount) claiming
that his total vote count "must" be wrong.
It is important to note that Buchanan's running mate is the FIRST
Afro-American to run for national office. Further, she is only the SECOND
woman to run for national office. Given the demographics of the
Palm Beach are, and its high concentration of minorities, it is perhaps
surprising that Buchanan-Foster didn't get more votes than they are credited
with receiving.
There is a simple, single explanation for ALL of these 19,120 problems in
ONE set of ballots in ONE district in ONE state.
15,000 Bush ballots, and 3,400 more Buchanan ballots, were double-punched to
imitate a Gore vote, AFTER legitimate voters left their polling booth.
Assume 45,000 ballots were stuck with a stiff wire or pointed tool. It would
take somebody a little bit of privacy and about 15 minutes. A ream of paper
is 1 inch thick, 45,000 many ballots can be carried by
one person in one handcart or box, damaged, and returned to position very
quickly. More simply, they could be punched several hundred at a time while
the stack is lined before being read at the voting
machine - since all the ballots would already be lined up and stacked neatly
in order at that time.
Originally,
3,000 = Buchanan
15,000 = Bush
25,000 = Gore (Gore has approximately a 2:1 margin over Bush in Palm Beach
Cty.)
1,250 = other parties and random existing errors
750 = "blank" or "protest votes"- No vote for President; other spots may be
filled in.
After ....
3,000 Buchanan + Gore = thrown out.
15,000 Bush + Gore = thrown out.
25,000 Gore (+ Gore) = GOOD VOTES for Gore = counted already
1,250 + others + Gore = thrown out.
750 = "blank" + Gore = Gore additional "free" votes
Stamping 45,000 ballots with a tool (or other device) THROUGH the Gore slot
gives:
Every Gore vote = still a valid Gore vote. (No change in the total, no
change in the recount.)
Every Bush, Buchanan, Workers Party, and Libertarian Party ballot IS
IMMEDIATELY INVALID. They will be thrown out because they have two votes.
They NEVER were counted in the first place
= no change in the recount. The double-punch occurs ONLY in the presidential
race, and no position on the ballot is disturbed. All other races are
correctly counted.
EVERY ballot that had no vote (a "protest vote" against both major
candidates) becomes a Gore vote. All other races on the ballot are not
disturbed, and are correctly counted.
Evidence of fraud by selectively punching "empty" or "protest" ballots
before the recount.
Statewide, 2% of the voters deliberately chose NOT to select a presidential
candidate. 2% of 45,000 ballots is 900, statistically equal to the 950
"votes" changed into 750 Gore votes, and 150 Bush votes
during the recount. It is statistically impossible (odds of over 149 million
to 1) to have ONE county out of 67 change its recount votes by over 900
votes if it is counting untainted, unaltered ballots,
while the other 64 counties (using legal methods) change their recounts by
less than 30 votes either way!
Significantly, the recount results DO require that approximately 900 ballots
be "blank" or "protest votes (originally) before tampering. From the first
set of 45,000 tampered ballots, there would no "blank
ballots" for the Presidential election - all would have an original vote, or
be blank from a protest vote and be filled in by the original
double-punching. Further, no additional double-punching could be done, or
an additional 15,000 presidential votes would be canceled during the
recount.
However, the recount processed all ballots again, and thus allowed 900
"selected" blank ballots to be "newly counted" - rather than being left
blank as in the original.
The key to prosecuting the criminals involved: maintaining the
double-punched ballots separate in the order they were originally received,
and under evidentiary control for later prosecution.
1. RECOUNTING them by hand, recording the remainder of the votes on the
ballot. Gloves are required to avoid contaminating the fingerprint evidence
(if any) of who handled the ballots. Also, if
available, precinct numbers of which precinct processed should be kept with
the ballot. Note that continuing the "hand-recount" effort (as now demanded
by the Democrats) will destroy any fingerprint
evidence available, since all judges are handling the ballots with no
protection..
2. Finding out the order of the double punched ballots (in groups,
one-by-one, or only at the top of box of ballots) will yield forensic
evidence to indicate how the fraud was done, and who did it.
3. Looking for a pattern of tears, hanging remnants of paper, and misshapen
holes - a pattern that will appear ONLY in those ballots that have
duplicated votes - I have used this kind of paper-punch ballot
for many years here in GA. A "valid" hole is created when you punch the
ballot above the hole in the voting booth. IF the ballot has been "stacked"
together and many ballots were punched at one time -
the stacked ballots will have remnants, paper tears, misaligned holes, and
oddly shaped holes......It is these violated 15,000 Bush votes that Gore
wants to declare "Gore" votes....further violating the
legal Bush vote already discarded by the voting machine.
4. The fraudulent double-punched ballots will show double punches ONLY in
the presidential race....and no other errors in other races that are
properly punched. A "valid error" in the first race (the
presidential race) that was detected by the voter and replaced with another
ballot - WILL NOT BE RECORDED. THOSE BALLOTS WOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED
ALREADY by the election
official and the replacement put in the ballot box.
5. The double-punched ballots will ALWAYS include a Gore vote....legitimate
errors will have randomly distributed errors in every position.... If the
ballots include an overwhelming number of number of
"Bush + Gore" votes, and almost no "Bush + Buchanan" votes, then that proves
that this set of ballots were tampered with and never counted in the first
place ... because the voting machine discards
double punched ballots.. IF the ballots include "no" (or very few) Bush +
Buchanan, or "Buchanan + somebody + Gore votes" else....then it shows that
they were deliberately tampered with to exclude
(throw out) otherwise valid Bush votes.
There has been speculation that the tampering may have involved Buchanan
duplicates "accidentally" punched in several thousand ballots cases by
double-punching the Buchanan position. This creates a
Buchanan "double-punch" rather than a "Gore" double punch. The same
evidentiary and analysis rules apply. The result, as far as Bush is
concerned, are the same. The valid Bush vote is voided, not by a Gore
+ Bush double punch, but by a Buchanan + Bush double punch. Any Gore votes
in the group accidentally double-punched will be voided as well.
Obviously.... Every tampered ballot WILL include a GORE vote, if the double
punch was done by a Gore operative inserting a false Gore vote. Of all
double-punched ballots, a certain number (0.3% of the
original 460,000 ballots, or 7-9% of the 19,120 double-punched ballots) will
contain "true" errors randomly spread among all the contenders. Or if an
"error" was made in the tampering, the pattern would be a
massive number of Gore + Buchanan and Buchanan + Bush double-punched
ballots, plus the same 7% of randomly generated errors spread among all
contenders. Further, if an error in double-punching fraud
occurred, it is reasonable to assume that the error did not occur every
time. The ratio of Gore + Buchanan and Gore + Bush and Buchanan + Bush
ballots may vary between precincts, depending on how long
the puncher was "confused" and how many operatives got "confused" between
the Buchanan button and the Gore button.
The combination of deliberate double-punched Gore + valid vote" ballots and
confused "Buchanan + valid vote" ballots will total 19120 ballots.
Approximately 1400 ballots will be random errors, and the
remainder, deliberate (or accidental!) double-punched ballots
To verify this....
count the doubled ballots, list each with what OTHER votes were cast. Almost
NO "legitimate" Gore voter would choose other Republican choices, or at
least very, very few would
.. IF almost all of the Bush + Gore ballots had mostly Republican choices, or
blanks where there is a Democrat running unopposed, then that shows
additional evidence where a Bush vote was destroyed.
ONLY when a Gore + Buchanan ballot shows almost all Democrats is there the
potential for "confusion": these few ballots will show the few cases where
some Gore supporter actually got confused!
A Buchanan + Gore vote with a reform Party vote for Senator is evidence of a
Buchanan vote that got destroyed. Approximately 2000 of these ballots are
expected. There is a definite possibility that the
double-punch fraud involves the Buchanan presidential vote being
duplicated - either accidentally (by error!) of a Gore operative
double-punching the wrong ballot hole, or by a Buchanan operative
adding votes for his candidate.
The Democratic cover-up by Election Officials began before the ballots were
"officially counted. Massive and continuing publicity that declares "voter
confusion" before the ballots are "counted" or results
released indicates that the "double-punch" error was known before the
ballots were totaled "officially."
Palm Beach County was one the last counties in Florida to release its voting
results, and the Palm Beach County results were critical in a last minute
"surge" in Gore votes that reduced Bush's lead from 50,000
votes (in Florida overall) to less than 1500. Late delivery of votes, with
the specific precinct vote count delayed until the required number of votes
is known, is classic symptom of local election fraud. It DOES
NOT prove fraud, but late delivery of vote results is the most common way of
tampering with the vote, and is essential if ballot tampering is involved in
the vote fraud. Late delivery of fraudulent votes has
happened in several previous democratic elections at the national level,
showing that the individuals involved had close knowledge of previous fraud
and its successes.
Local Democrat officials are claiming that these are "double -punched! They
know...and were told early this morning! to collect 3000 old folks who could
claim they were confused...They quickly needed a
cover story to explain that the ballots were "confusing" to create the 3000
Gore - Buchanan "voters" that they need.
But in the remaining two days after the elections, no local democratic
officials can physically identify the required number (19,120) "confused"
witnesses who can attest to actually double-punching ballots.
ANY citizen who realized that they double-punched a ballot at the polling
booth was able to exchange ballots and resubmit his choices. IT IS CRITICAL
TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE
"REPLACED" BALLOTS WERE SET ASIDE IMMEDIATELY, AND WERE NEVER COUNTED IN THE
MACHINES. The 19,120 double-punched ballots include ONLY those actually an
error (approximately 1300) and those double-punched by fraud.
Note, after the first two days, the local party officials have softened
their rhetoric and are only claiming "hundreds" of "confused voters." Again,
no actual lists of these citizens have been released for
confirmation or interviews by investigators.
Further evidence of deliberate double-punching of ballots, and perhaps of
making an error in the fraud itself by double-punching a Buchanan hole
rather than a Gore hole is the immediate cover-up effort by
democratic officials.
The national Democratic Party hired a Texas telemarketing firm to call
several thousand voters in Palm beach County late Tuesday night specifically
to "prompt" Palm Beach citizens to declare "they were
confused" by the ballots, and specifically to declare being "confused"
between the Gore and Buchanan ballot positions. Further, the national
democratic telemarketing campaign was instructing users in what to
claim ballot positions to be "confused" with, and was specifically prompting
the people that they called to declare a "Buchanan-Gore" confusion on
Tuesday night, before midnight. This was approximately 5
hours BEFORE the Palm Beach results were released.
Also, national democratic teams were in flight to Palm Beach immediately
after midnight, again before the results were officially known to anyone.
This indicates that democratic leaders at the precinct level
(and thus the national level) knew about the "confusion"
(accidentally/incorrectly double-punched Buchanan ballots) BEFORE the Palm
Beach votes were counted, and several hours before they were released
to the Florida election officials.
Note too that this telemarketing campaign began before the Palm Beach
results were announced. Before anyone (other than election officials) knew
how any double-punched ballots existed, nor which ballot
choices (for president) were double-punched.
No democratic source has ever offered proof of this "vast number" of
confused voters, and no Democratic operative has offered any explanation why
"confusion" needs to be advertised and prompted for in a
telemarketing phone blitz at any time other than this elections. This
indicates that the actual number of voters actually "confused" is minor, and
further indicates that the Gore-Buchanan "confusion" may exist )
The individuals who are suing now to revote that ballots are experienced
democratic officials, donors, and activists - on even a formerly elected
official.
Democratic officials in Palm Beach County have not been able to explain why
15,000 ballots were double-punched in 1996 AND in 2000. The "butterfly
ballots were NOT used in the previous Presidential
election. Thus, there is a pattern not of massive error by the voters, but
of continued fraud by the Democratic election committee members and local
officials. Further indication of deliberate fraud is that there is
no evidence of previous massive "voter error" in Democratic primaries,
Democratic runoff's, or Congressional races the past years. Specifically,
Massive "voter confusion" does appear in the democratic
primaries (where Democratic votes must be accurate!) and where there was
little effective opposition to the Democratic Congressman (Waxler)
Symptoms of voter fraud by double punching will stand out by the number of
the doubled punches, and by the remaining choices on the ballet.
A Republican voter will have in almost every case have punched Bush +
several other Republican candidates.
So look for how many "Bush + Gore" ballots have mostly Republican choices
below. THESE ARE FRAUDS. They represent Bush votes that were stolen. There
are about 15,000 of these ballots.
A "true" Buchanan voter would have punched Buchanan and a mix of other
candidates....A Libertarian voter would most likely be choosing a variety of
flowing positions, depending on his personal opinion of
freedom and regulation. There will be about 2000-3000 of these ballots.
A "mistaken" "Gore + Buchanan" voter would ALMOST CERTAINLY have chosen the
Democrats in the rest of the ballot.....or, IF AS THEY CLAIM, those "Gore +
Buchanan" voters that were "told to
push the second hole" really meant "only followed directions" ---- THEN the
rest of the ballot would be solid Democrat, or blank.
There will be approximately 0.3% of the total ballots used (1380 out of
460,000) that are legitimate errors or protest votes with a several
candidates selected.
NOT "confused" 15,000 Bush voters in 1996....and 15,000 other "confused"
Dole and Perot voters in 2000.


Consider that there are very many other particles in the universe

which
will have relative motion with respect to A and B and that for any
component of velocity which each and every other particle may have
which is perpendicular to a plane coincident with the line A-B that
emerging from the locations of A and B will be generated such vector
fields that will also produce an attractive interaction between A

and
B. Every one of those vector fields will be nonlocal to the

particles
A and B and nonlocal to each other so that the total force

calculated
will be related to the sum of the individual forces produced in each
frame and each individual force will be related to the magnitude of

the
relative motion (velocity) of each and every other particle in the
universe because it is by that velocity that is determined the

magnitude
of dE/dt in each and every case.

If two nearby particles of the same charge are in the same rest

frame
(overlapping in momentum space) and if they both entered that

momentum
space at the same time then the maximum time that will pass before

they
can interact is T(max)=Dp/2c but if they did not come into the same
momentum space at the same instant then T(max)=(Dp-c(t2-t1))/2c

where
Dp is the interparticle distance, t1 is the time that the first
particle enters a given momentum space and t2 is time that the

second
particle enters that same momentum space and t2=t1, c(t2-t1)=Dp,

and
c is the speed of light. If the two particles obtain to a common
momentum space at the same instant so that t2=t1 then T(max)=Dp/2c.

If
c(t2-t1)=Dp then T(max)=0 and the particles will immediately begin

to
interact.

not a chance. as D gets very large, the time gets very large too
would this constitute spooky action at a distance?

here's where i get off. sorry.

Oh looky. You're using catch-phrases linked with knee jerk reactions.
How cute. That's real 'scientific' of you.


well, until i can see someone move things without touching them, i
won't believe in telekinesis either. illusions, notwithstanding.
nothing knee jerk about it. if it doesn't happen in the real world,
its "pseudoscience" to me.


You need to pay attention to the implications of Maxwell's equations.
Particularly 1) Del X H = permittivity dE/dt

If you have a charged particle, A, and some other particle, B, at any
given distance begins to have relative motion with respect to it (with
respect to A, that is) then in that particle's rest frame (B's rest
frame) but perhaps very far from it that Del X H vector field will
begin to emerge. It certainly isn't in A's frame since A cannot move
with respect to itself. This emergence of the Del X H vector field is
an immediate effect of B's motion with respect to A because A
represents the source of an electric field that, by virtue of its
relative motion with respect to B, is changing.



A del X H vector field
(mathematical description of a magnetic field) arises around a charged
particle on a plane normal to the translational axis of motion of that
charged particle. That motion is distinct and related only to the
relative motion of some one other quantum particle (see axiom 1). The
vector field is not detectable from the particle's rest frame but
nevertheless it begins to arise immediately with the relative motion of
some remote particle.


i thought Einstein invented the idea of rest frames with his theory of
relativity.


I don't think he invented the idea of rest frames. He used the notion
but I don't think there's any reason to believe that he's the person
who originally came up with the concept.





As n increases the probability will reach unity. Continuing to
increase n will then mean that statistically the probability that

more
than one particle will be overlapping in momentum space with any

given
particle for some small given increment of time is = 1. As n

increases
then not just 3 particles, then 4 and so on will be overlapping in

the
same momentum space. This implies that n particles will be divided
into j number of momentum spaces each occupied by k number of

particles
so that j*k=n. I suggest that there is a ratio between pairs of
particles that are overlapping in momentum space and pairs of

particles
that are not overlapping in momentum space and that raising the
temperature of a confined fusion fuel gas will not alter that ratio.
This is important because I am suggesting that only those nuclei

which
are overlapping in momentum space can ever achieve nuclear fusion.

This
means that to achieve a successful design of a nuclear fusion

reactor
(one that is constantly at over breakeven) that a means must be

found
to fundamentally alter the ratio between pairs of fusion fuel nuclei
that are overlapping in momentum space with respect to those pairs

that
are not.

I've found the solution to this problem (controlling the momentum
states of large numbers of fusion fuel nuclei) but I first need to
convince the general physics community that if Maxwell's equations

are
true then that means that elementary charged particles must behave
opposite to the expectations of Coulomb's Law if they are

overlapping
in momentum space.

Now all of this is really very simple but in its simplicity it has
destroyed the foundational assumptions behind the operations of

stars
because it demonstrates that star cannot possibly operate according

to
popularly accepted theories, that they cannot collapse into black
holes.

When we apply the fact



If you reject this then you also must reject
Maxwell's equations.


as dull as i am, Maxwell or Einstein don't preclude each other, as far
as I know.

The fact is that there are very many remote
particles in the universe which have relative motion with respect to
any one given elementary charged particle and the relative motion of
each of them produces a unique and distinct vector field emanating from
the subject particle's location. Each of those vector fields are
nonlocal to the particle and to each other. I know that you probably
can't actually put this together in your head so it is likely that you
will reject it.


dumb it down for me.


It already is dumbed down. I take pains to write exactly what I mean.
Because in a universe of n particles any one particle can have n-1
motions then with respect to each particular motion which is a specific
instance of relative motion with respect to some one other quantum
particle (see Axiom 1) a Del X H vector field will be produced.
Therefore n-1 such Del X H vector fields will exist surrounding the
particle but none of them are in the same momentum space (this isn't
strictly true as there would be a finite number of other particles in
the same momentum space). In fact we could suggest that there are j
particles in each momentum space and there are k possible momentum
spaces so that j*k=n. But this only means that there are j*(k-1)
particles each whose relative motion acts as the generator of a del X H
vector field which would emerge from a given elementary charged
particle.





As n increases the probability will reach unity. Continuing to
increase n will then mean that statistically the probability that

more
than one particle will be overlapping in momentum space with any

given
particle for some small given increment of time is = 1. As n

increases
then not just 3 particles, then 4 and so on will be overlapping in

the
same momentum space. This implies that n particles will be divided
into j number of momentum spaces each occupied by k number of

particles
so that j*k=n. I suggest that there is a ratio between pairs of
particles that are overlapping in momentum space and pairs of

particles
that are not overlapping in momentum space and that raising the
temperature of a confined fusion fuel gas will not alter that ratio.
This is important because I am suggesting that only those nuclei

which
are overlapping in momentum space can ever achieve nuclear fusion.

This
means that to achieve a successful design of a nuclear fusion

reactor
(one that is constantly at over breakeven) that a means must be

found
to fundamentally alter the ratio between pairs of fusion fuel nuclei
that are overlapping in momentum space with respect to those pairs

that
are not.

I've found the solution to this problem (controlling the momentum
states of large numbers of fusion fuel nuclei) but I first need to
convince the general physics community that if Maxwell's equations

are
true then that means that elementary charged particles must behave
opposite to the expectations of Coulomb's Law if they are

overlapping
in momentum space.

Now all of this is really very simple but in its simplicity it has
destroyed the foundational assumptions behind the operations of

stars
because it demonstrates that star cannot possibly operate according

to
popularly accepted theories, that they cannot collapse into black
holes.

When we apply the fact

"Explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot tampering in Palm Beach,
Fl"
Errors only Occurred in Presidential Races?
Editor's Note: The following statistical analysis was sent to me by Robert
Cook, PE, a nuclear engineer, with an MS in statistical quality control, a
software testing specialist and QA manager, who has a
track record for analyzing and correcting trends, errors, and mistakes in
heavy construction projects (ships, power plants, nuclear reactors, military
and aerospace vehicles, etc. for more than twenty
years.
Robert Cook presents here a remarkable statistical analysis of the Palm
Beach presidential ballot controversy that deserves serious investigation.
He says that the controversial 19,120 Presidential race
ballots at issue there were "destroyed by deliberate double-punching ballots
in Palm Beach County FL with a 'second punch' for Al Gore or Pat Buchanan.
(In 1996, an additional 15,000 Dole and
Perot ballots were destroyed by double-punching presidential ballots in Palm
Beach County, FL. *)

09 November, 2000
By: Robert A. Cook, PE
425 Franklin Road, #520 Marietta, GA 30067

Ref: Statistical evidence establishes beyond reasonable doubt that 19,120
Presidential race ballots were destroyed by deliberate double-punching
ballots in Palm Beach County FL with a "second punch" for Al
Gore or Pat Buchanan. (In 1996, an additional 15,000 Dole and Perot ballots
were destroyed by double-punching presidential ballots in Palm Beach County,
FL. *)
The national error rate of double-punching ballots is less than 1/2 of one
percent, or at most, 1800 ballots in all of Palm Beach County, with the
errors between all races and all candidates.
19,120 double punched ballots -all in one race, with "errors" only occurring
two Presidential races against Republican opposition - is 33,000 "too many"
to be an accident.
References:
(*9 Nov, 2000 CNN; Jim Smith, Former Florida Secretary of State; WSJ,
11-10-2000) (San Diego Union-Tribune, Nov 10, 2000, page A-12, Local Figure
on Double Voting Only 0.3%; Haas Sees
Red Flag in Florida Totals; by Caitlin Rother) (Los Vegas Sun, Nov 10, 2000.
Statistics Point To More Than Random Error in Florida Vote; by Jace Radke)
The news media is utterly focused on the Democratic Party spin that voters
were "confused" in Palm Beach, FL. They are ignoring the 15,000 Bush and
3,400 Buchanan votes that statistical evidence can show
were stolen by fraud in these 19,120 ballots.
There is explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot tampering in Palm
Beach FL. These ballots show Democratic voter fraud....NOT Republican fraud
or "voter error" as publicized by the national media.
Statistical evidence cannot prove any single ballot was tampered with, nor
show which individual tampered with any single ballot. It can show specific
places and times and methods where the fraud was done.
(For example, if 15,000 dollars are missing from the register the day after
your cashier left on a Los Vegas vacation, there is no direct evidence that
the cashier stole the money. If, however, 19,120 dollars are
missing from the register the next year when the cashier again leaves for
vacation in Los Vegas, one has reason to investigate the cashier closely.)
Consider these "unusual" ballot problems in Palm Beach, FL - every one of
them adds more Gore votes, and removed Republican and Reform party votes.
ONLY Palm Beach County Florida voters seem incapable of understanding and
using this style of ballot.
Palm Beach County has an error rate TEN TIMES larger than reported in ANY
other county in the nation using paper punch ballots! No information is
available about the number of ballots invalidated for
previous primary, state, and the 1998 Congressional votes. Unless an equal
number (equal proportion of "invalid ballots" per primary voter) of ballots
was double-punched in the 1996 primaries, the 1998
primaries, and the 1998 Congressional races ..... the Palm Beach election
officials are specifically guilty of deliberate ballot tampering fraud in
the year 2000 Presidential elections.)
ONLY in Palm Beach FL were 15,000 ballots "invalidated" (for double punched
ballots) in the 1996 Presidential election. (This is almost unique among the
entire nation! (Certain central city Democratic
precincts in Chicago reported 120,000 double-punched ballots; and Duval
County in Florida reported 22,000 double-punched ballots. Neither used the
same arrangement of candidates as at Palm Beach. This
shows that "lining up" buttons was NOT actually an issue at Palm Beach, but
was created as an excuse to blame the symptoms of fraud at Palm Beach.)
One early excuse given to the national news media by Democratic "spokesmen"
to explain the Palm Beach fraud was that people were 'exchanging" their
double-punched ballots - and were given new ones...If
so, over 26 people per minute "were confused" and voted twice for President!
This many errors were supposedly made, detected, and corrected (by handing
out new ballots) while no person made any "error" in
any other race. This excuse would also mean that more voters were being
handed new ballots per minute than new voters were being signed in. (19,120
"double punched" Democratic ballots divided by 12
hours, there are fewer than 100 precincts in Palm Beach County where the
precinct level returns are suspect . Significantly, the massive number of
errors occurred only in a few of the precincts, and all of those
precincts were strongly Democratic. In precinct 144F, for example, there was
only one "counted" republican voter for president.)
However, the "double-punched" ballots counted in the election were NOT
exchanged, and were actually read by the voting machine. They are the
symptom and the method of the fraud. There is no reason for
this early Democratic Party statement other than that of beginning a
cover-up for the double-punched ballots.
Not surprisingly, this early fable was not maintained, and has not be
repeated. It also has not been retracted or contradicted by follow-up
stories in the national news media.
ONLY in Palm Beach (and in ONLY the most heavily Democratic precincts) were
19,120 ballots rejected in 2000 for double punching....(This is a 4.4% error
rate overall; in the rest of Florida there is less
than 1/2 of ONE percent "double punch" error rate! (Unofficially, this error
rate was 15% in predominately Afro-American precincts, and 10% in precincts
with large numbers of Jewish retirees.) In strongly
Republican precincts, the error rate was the "usual" 1/2 of one percent.)
San Diego County has 800,000 voters, and (overall) has more senior, retired,
minority, and new immigrants than does Palm Beach
County. Since all of these were represented the 1992, 1996, and 2000 results
in the San Diego double count totals, there can be no excuse for "innocent
errors" in Palm Beach.
ONLY in Palm Beach did this "double punch" error happen ONLY in the
Gore-Bush-Buchanan selections for President. (In a truly random "error," the
mistakes happen in every race, all at about the same rate.
In Palm Beach, the massive errors (over 19,000) ONLY happened in the
Presidential race.)
ONLY in Palm Beach has the news media complained about "massive" ballot
confusion. In the 43 counties in Missouri, also mostly Democratic voters,
which use the same kind of ballot, there are NO
complaints about "confused voters" at all. (St Louis Post Dispatch, Nov 8,
2000) Therefore, ONLY in Palm Beach FL do the Democrats have to "explain" a
massive number of incorrect votes.
ONLY in Palm Beach did Gore GAIN 750 votes in a recount. In 50 out of 67
counties in FL, the actual change in the recount was 5-7 votes, and in 63
out of 67 counties, the total change was less than 30
votes either way. Further, in 63 out of 67 counties the "changes" were
somewhat evenly divided between ALL the candidates, in rough proportion to
the original number of votes. This is the statistically
expected result, and represents a true and legal recount of the ballots
without any change in the ballots themselves.
This means that Palm Beach FL had an error rate in favor of Gore more than
120 TIMES greater than any other county, (Two other heavily Democratic
"inner city" counties (Flagler and Pinellas) had changes
greater than 400 votes. Whether or not fraud existed in those counties is
possible, but not analyzed here.) In a statistically valid recount, half of
the errors would favor Bush, and half favor Gore. This extreme
change from the normal in only three counties shows massive "tampering"
towards Gore in those three counties between the original machine count
(already tainted by fraud.) and the second machine recount.
In EVERY precinct in Palm Beach where Gore got more votes than there are
registered Democrats., Bush received less than 60% of the registered
Republican votes. In NO precinct in Palm Beach County did
Bush receive more than 80% of the number of registered Republicans. ....
(Absentee ballots were equally distributed by percentage between the two
parties at 8% each. Thus, there is specific evidence to show
that the "level of interest" in the Presidential election was equal between
the two parties.) It is ONLY in the "counted" turnout on Nov 7 that the
democrats appear to "remove" 15,000 votes in the Presidential
race.
Or, it is ONLY in Palm Beach County that more than 20% of the registered
Republicans "forgot" to vote for their party's presidential candidate. This
'lack of interest" by the republicans despite equally massive
"get-out-the vote" efforts by both parties. As shown by the absentee ballot
numbers, there WAS equal interest in the election by both parties; at least
until the votes were "totaled".
ONLY in Palm Beach did Bush receive LESS than 65% of the registered
Republican voters. (Registered Republicans = 231,626 while Bush voters =
152,954.) On average, in every other county in FL Bush
received MORE votes than there were registered Republicans. In the rest of
the nation, poll results show more than 90% of registered Republicans
actively supported the Republican candidate. (Also, unique in
the entire state, the percentage of Republican voters COUNTED as voting in
Palm Beach was much less than normal, despite the pre-election attention to
Florida as a critical state; and massive Republican get -
out-the-vote campaigns.)
This is very significant when the Republican Senate race is examined.
To compare similar counties in Florida, look at the 10 counties in Florida
where there are more than 100,000 democratic voters for president. In every
one of these counties - EXCEPT Palm Beach County -
Gore received FEWER votes than Nelson, the democratic Senate candidate. In
Palm Beach county, Gore received slightly more votes than Nelson, which is
not by itself statistically significant. However, his
"gain" over equally sized counties IS directly proportional to the number of
"blank ballets" (or "protest votes") that were cast in Palm Beach County.)
However, in 8 of 10 of these counties, Bush led McCollum (the Republican
Senate candidate by a major proportional to the county size, with the margin
being between 25,000 votes and 4000 votes.
McCollum ONLY led Bush in Palm Beach County and Lee County (which is also
the focus of fraud due to its change in votes during the recount.) The
margin of Bush's lead in two counties close to Palm
Beach in population was 15,000 votes and 15,000 - equal to the number of
Republican presidential voters "missing" when the number of registered
Republicans is checked.
The only way this could occur is if 15,000 registered Republican voters went
to the polls, and "forgot" to cast their votes for president, or were
"confused" and voted twice for President by did NOT replace
their ballot at the polling booth; while remembering to correctly and
accurately punch 15,000 votes for the Republican Senate candidate.
The same number of "missing" Republican votes is found when the four
Congressional races involved in Palm Beach County are checked.
ONLY in Palm Beach County do the smaller (Congressional) races outdraw the
Presidential race. Again, the number of total Republican votes "missing"
(not counted in the presidential race) is equal to 15,000
Bush votes destroyed by double punching in the Presidential race.
The only way this could occur is if 15,000 registered Republican voters went
to the polls, and "forgot" to cast their votes for president, or were
"confused" and voted twice for President but did NOT replace
their ballot at the polling booth; while remembering to correctly and
accurately punch 15,000 votes for the Republican Congressional candidate in
their district.
When the two "coincidences" of correct votes in two other races are
included, it is impossible to accept "confusion" in the presidential race.
ONLY in Palm Beach did Buchanan get less than HALF the of votes he received
before in 1996. Buchanan's "lost" votes in that county in 2000 were much
greater than in any other district in Florida.
(Buchanan received over 8,000 votes in 1996 Republican PRIMARY (where only
registered Republicans can vote; but he received only 3,407 under the Reform
Party from ALL voters in the 2000
Presidential election. (Pat Buchanan has relatives who lives in Palm Beach
County, and this local support greatly increase the number of local voters
who choose Buchanan, compared to every other region of
the country. There are over 14,551 members of the Reform party in Palm Beach
County - which indicates that less than 1/5 of the Reform voters voted for
their own candidate. The Fraud is NOT whether Gore
voters were "confused" and voted for Gore, but rather WHY Reform Party and
Libertarian voters were prevented from registering THEIR vote!)
Much has been (erroneously) made of the number of apparent Buchanan votes,
with some partial observers (paid by the democratic Party officials who
started the first lawsuits requesting a recount) claiming
that his total vote count "must" be wrong.
It is important to note that Buchanan's running mate is the FIRST
Afro-American to run for national office. Further, she is only the SECOND
woman to run for national office. Given the demographics of the
Palm Beach are, and its high concentration of minorities, it is perhaps
surprising that Buchanan-Foster didn't get more votes than they are credited
with receiving.
There is a simple, single explanation for ALL of these 19,120 problems in
ONE set of ballots in ONE district in ONE state.
15,000 Bush ballots, and 3,400 more Buchanan ballots, were double-punched to
imitate a Gore vote, AFTER legitimate voters left their polling booth.
Assume 45,000 ballots were stuck with a stiff wire or pointed tool. It would
take somebody a little bit of privacy and about 15 minutes. A ream of paper
is 1 inch thick, 45,000 many ballots can be carried by
one person in one handcart or box, damaged, and returned to position very
quickly. More simply, they could be punched several hundred at a time while
the stack is lined before being read at the voting
machine - since all the ballots would already be lined up and stacked neatly
in order at that time.
Originally,
3,000 = Buchanan
15,000 = Bush
25,000 = Gore (Gore has approximately a 2:1 margin over Bush in Palm Beach
Cty.)
1,250 = other parties and random existing errors
750 = "blank" or "protest votes"- No vote for President; other spots may be
filled in.
After ....
3,000 Buchanan + Gore = thrown out.
15,000 Bush + Gore = thrown out.
25,000 Gore (+ Gore) = GOOD VOTES for Gore = counted already
1,250 + others + Gore = thrown out.
750 = "blank" + Gore = Gore additional "free" votes
Stamping 45,000 ballots with a tool (or other device) THROUGH the Gore slot
gives:
Every Gore vote = still a valid Gore vote. (No change in the total, no
change in the recount.)
Every Bush, Buchanan, Workers Party, and Libertarian Party ballot IS
IMMEDIATELY INVALID. They will be thrown out because they have two votes.
They NEVER were counted in the first place
= no change in the recount. The double-punch occurs ONLY in the presidential
race, and no position on the ballot is disturbed. All other races are
correctly counted.
EVERY ballot that had no vote (a "protest vote" against both major
candidates) becomes a Gore vote. All other races on the ballot are not
disturbed, and are correctly counted.
Evidence of fraud by selectively punching "empty" or "protest" ballots
before the recount.
Statewide, 2% of the voters deliberately chose NOT to select a presidential
candidate. 2% of 45,000 ballots is 900, statistically equal to the 950
"votes" changed into 750 Gore votes, and 150 Bush votes
during the recount. It is statistically impossible (odds of over 149 million
to 1) to have ONE county out of 67 change its recount votes by over 900
votes if it is counting untainted, unaltered ballots,
while the other 64 counties (using legal methods) change their recounts by
less than 30 votes either way!
Significantly, the recount results DO require that approximately 900 ballots
be "blank" or "protest votes (originally) before tampering. From the first
set of 45,000 tampered ballots, there would no "blank
ballots" for the Presidential election - all would have an original vote, or
be blank from a protest vote and be filled in by the original
double-punching. Further, no additional double-punching could be done, or
an additional 15,000 presidential votes would be canceled during the
recount.
However, the recount processed all ballots again, and thus allowed 900
"selected" blank ballots to be "newly counted" - rather than being left
blank as in the original.
The key to prosecuting the criminals involved: maintaining the
double-punched ballots separate in the order they were originally received,
and under evidentiary control for later prosecution.
1. RECOUNTING them by hand, recording the remainder of the votes on the
ballot. Gloves are required to avoid contaminating the fingerprint evidence
(if any) of who handled the ballots. Also, if
available, precinct numbers of which precinct processed should be kept with
the ballot. Note that continuing the "hand-recount" effort (as now demanded
by the Democrats) will destroy any fingerprint
evidence available, since all judges are handling the ballots with no
protection..
2. Finding out the order of the double punched ballots (in groups,
one-by-one, or only at the top of box of ballots) will yield forensic
evidence to indicate how the fraud was done, and who did it.
3. Looking for a pattern of tears, hanging remnants of paper, and misshapen
holes - a pattern that will appear ONLY in those ballots that have
duplicated votes - I have used this kind of paper-punch ballot
for many years here in GA. A "valid" hole is created when you punch the
ballot above the hole in the voting booth. IF the ballot has been "stacked"
together and many ballots were punched at one time -
the stacked ballots will have remnants, paper tears, misaligned holes, and
oddly shaped holes......It is these violated 15,000 Bush votes that Gore
wants to declare "Gore" votes....further violating the
legal Bush vote already discarded by the voting machine.
4. The fraudulent double-punched ballots will show double punches ONLY in
the presidential race....and no other errors in other races that are
properly punched. A "valid error" in the first race (the
presidential race) that was detected by the voter and replaced with another
ballot - WILL NOT BE RECORDED. THOSE BALLOTS WOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED
ALREADY by the election
official and the replacement put in the ballot box.
5. The double-punched ballots will ALWAYS include a Gore vote....legitimate
errors will have randomly distributed errors in every position.... If the
ballots include an overwhelming number of number of
"Bush + Gore" votes, and almost no "Bush + Buchanan" votes, then that proves
that this set of ballots were tampered with and never counted in the first
place ... because the voting machine discards
double punched ballots.. IF the ballots include "no" (or very few) Bush +
Buchanan, or "Buchanan + somebody + Gore votes" else....then it shows that
they were deliberately tampered with to exclude
(throw out) otherwise valid Bush votes.
There has been speculation that the tampering may have involved Buchanan
duplicates "accidentally" punched in several thousand ballots cases by
double-punching the Buchanan position. This creates a
Buchanan "double-punch" rather than a "Gore" double punch. The same
evidentiary and analysis rules apply. The result, as far as Bush is
concerned, are the same. The valid Bush vote is voided, not by a Gore
+ Bush double punch, but by a Buchanan + Bush double punch. Any Gore votes
in the group accidentally double-punched will be voided as well.
Obviously.... Every tampered ballot WILL include a GORE vote, if the double
punch was done by a Gore operative inserting a false Gore vote. Of all
double-punched ballots, a certain number (0.3% of the
original 460,000 ballots, or 7-9% of the 19,120 double-punched ballots) will
contain "true" errors randomly spread among all the contenders. Or if an
"error" was made in the tampering, the pattern would be a
massive number of Gore + Buchanan and Buchanan + Bush double-punched
ballots, plus the same 7% of randomly generated errors spread among all
contenders. Further, if an error in double-punching fraud
occurred, it is reasonable to assume that the error did not occur every
time. The ratio of Gore + Buchanan and Gore + Bush and Buchanan + Bush
ballots may vary between precincts, depending on how long
the puncher was "confused" and how many operatives got "confused" between
the Buchanan button and the Gore button.
The combination of deliberate double-punched Gore + valid vote" ballots and
confused "Buchanan + valid vote" ballots will total 19120 ballots.
Approximately 1400 ballots will be random errors, and the
remainder, deliberate (or accidental!) double-punched ballots
To verify this....
count the doubled ballots, list each with what OTHER votes were cast. Almost
NO "legitimate" Gore voter would choose other Republican choices, or at
least very, very few would
.. IF almost all of the Bush + Gore ballots had mostly Republican choices, or
blanks where there is a Democrat running unopposed, then that shows
additional evidence where a Bush vote was destroyed.
ONLY when a Gore + Buchanan ballot shows almost all Democrats is there the
potential for "confusion": these few ballots will show the few cases where
some Gore supporter actually got confused!
A Buchanan + Gore vote with a reform Party vote for Senator is evidence of a
Buchanan vote that got destroyed. Approximately 2000 of these ballots are
expected. There is a definite possibility that the
double-punch fraud involves the Buchanan presidential vote being
duplicated - either accidentally (by error!) of a Gore operative
double-punching the wrong ballot hole, or by a Buchanan operative
adding votes for his candidate.
The Democratic cover-up by Election Officials began before the ballots were
"officially counted. Massive and continuing publicity that declares "voter
confusion" before the ballots are "counted" or results
released indicates that the "double-punch" error was known before the
ballots were totaled "officially."
Palm Beach County was one the last counties in Florida to release its voting
results, and the Palm Beach County results were critical in a last minute
"surge" in Gore votes that reduced Bush's lead from 50,000
votes (in Florida overall) to less than 1500. Late delivery of votes, with
the specific precinct vote count delayed until the required number of votes
is known, is classic symptom of local election fraud. It DOES
NOT prove fraud, but late delivery of vote results is the most common way of
tampering with the vote, and is essential if ballot tampering is involved in
the vote fraud. Late delivery of fraudulent votes has
happened in several previous democratic elections at the national level,
showing that the individuals involved had close knowledge of previous fraud
and its successes.
Local Democrat officials are claiming that these are "double -punched! They
know...and were told early this morning! to collect 3000 old folks who could
claim they were confused...They quickly needed a
cover story to explain that the ballots were "confusing" to create the 3000
Gore - Buchanan "voters" that they need.
But in the remaining two days after the elections, no local democratic
officials can physically identify the required number (19,120) "confused"
witnesses who can attest to actually double-punching ballots.
ANY citizen who realized that they double-punched a ballot at the polling
booth was able to exchange ballots and resubmit his choices. IT IS CRITICAL
TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE
"REPLACED" BALLOTS WERE SET ASIDE IMMEDIATELY, AND WERE NEVER COUNTED IN THE
MACHINES. The 19,120 double-punched ballots include ONLY those actually an
error (approximately 1300) and those double-punched by fraud.
Note, after the first two days, the local party officials have softened
their rhetoric and are only claiming "hundreds" of "confused voters." Again,
no actual lists of these citizens have been released for
confirmation or interviews by investigators.
Further evidence of deliberate double-punching of ballots, and perhaps of
making an error in the fraud itself by double-punching a Buchanan hole
rather than a Gore hole is the immediate cover-up effort by
democratic officials.
The national Democratic Party hired a Texas telemarketing firm to call
several thousand voters in Palm beach County late Tuesday night specifically
to "prompt" Palm Beach citizens to declare "they were
confused" by the ballots, and specifically to declare being "confused"
between the Gore and Buchanan ballot positions. Further, the national
democratic telemarketing campaign was instructing users in what to
claim ballot positions to be "confused" with, and was specifically prompting
the people that they called to declare a "Buchanan-Gore" confusion on
Tuesday night, before midnight. This was approximately 5
hours BEFORE the Palm Beach results were released.
Also, national democratic teams were in flight to Palm Beach immediately
after midnight, again before the results were officially known to anyone.
This indicates that democratic leaders at the precinct level
(and thus the national level) knew about the "confusion"
(accidentally/incorrectly double-punched Buchanan ballots) BEFORE the Palm
Beach votes were counted, and several hours before they were released
to the Florida election officials.
Note too that this telemarketing campaign began before the Palm Beach
results were announced. Before anyone (other than election officials) knew
how any double-punched ballots existed, nor which ballot
choices (for president) were double-punched.
No democratic source has ever offered proof of this "vast number" of
confused voters, and no Democratic operative has offered any explanation why
"confusion" needs to be advertised and prompted for in a
telemarketing phone blitz at any time other than this elections. This
indicates that the actual number of voters actually "confused" is minor, and
further indicates that the Gore-Buchanan "confusion" may exist )
The individuals who are suing now to revote that ballots are experienced
democratic officials, donors, and activists - on even a formerly elected
official.
Democratic officials in Palm Beach County have not been able to explain why
15,000 ballots were double-punched in 1996 AND in 2000. The "butterfly
ballots were NOT used in the previous Presidential
election. Thus, there is a pattern not of massive error by the voters, but
of continued fraud by the Democratic election committee members and local
officials. Further indication of deliberate fraud is that there is
no evidence of previous massive "voter error" in Democratic primaries,
Democratic runoff's, or Congressional races the past years. Specifically,
Massive "voter confusion" does appear in the democratic
primaries (where Democratic votes must be accurate!) and where there was
little effective opposition to the Democratic Congressman (Waxler)
Symptoms of voter fraud by double punching will stand out by the number of
the doubled punches, and by the remaining choices on the ballet.
A Republican voter will have in almost every case have punched Bush +
several other Republican candidates.
So look for how many "Bush + Gore" ballots have mostly Republican choices
below. THESE ARE FRAUDS. They represent Bush votes that were stolen. There
are about 15,000 of these ballots.
A "true" Buchanan voter would have punched Buchanan and a mix of other
candidates....A Libertarian voter would most likely be choosing a variety of
flowing positions, depending on his personal opinion of
freedom and regulation. There will be about 2000-3000 of these ballots.
A "mistaken" "Gore + Buchanan" voter would ALMOST CERTAINLY have chosen the
Democrats in the rest of the ballot.....or, IF AS THEY CLAIM, those "Gore +
Buchanan" voters that were "told to
push the second hole" really meant "only followed directions" ---- THEN the
rest of the ballot would be solid Democrat, or blank.
There will be approximately 0.3% of the total ballots used (1380 out of
460,000) that are legitimate errors or protest votes with a several
candidates selected.
NOT "confused" 15,000 Bush voters in 1996....and 15,000 other "confused"
Dole and Perot voters in 2000.


But what you don't realize because of your extreme
intellectual dullness is that to reject this you have to also reject
Maxwell's equations. Go ahead, though. That's your last resort. See,
you're caught like a rat in the trap of logic and there's no way out
except for you to just go into a state of denial.


hold me by the hand and lead me to acceptance. so far you have
nothing but thought experiments and hope. come up with a definitive
exclusive argument and experiment. you already have a hypothesis.
take it to the next level.


I have taken it to many levels beyond but you're not being astute
enough to follow along. Wake up. Pay attention. These aren't just
thought experiments but reflections on how one considers the real
physics of Axiom 1) coupled with Maxwell's equations.





Two particles that obtain to a common momentum space at the same
instant in time that are on the order of 10 nuclear diameters apart
(5e-14 meters) will begin to interact in a maximum time of 8.337E-23
seconds. This force, which if between nuclei will be strongly
attractively interactive, is a short time scale force which means

that
particles which could interact will have to be on the order of a

mean
free path distance apart from one another and that T(max) has to be

on
the order of the mean free path flight time. Particles for which

Dp
the mean free path will likely be perturbed before the reaction can
begin. So, this force, which is normally interpreted as the nuclear
strong force is not so much a short distance scale or short range

force
but rather a short time scale availability force and you can see

that
it is entirely electromagnetic in character. Also, this force is
the sum of the forces generated by the number of particles which

have
motion with respect to A and B so it is a very strong force as well

as
being a short time scale availability force.

I used the terms 'local' and 'nonlocal' in a manner which may be a
little nonstandard so please let me explain how I mean them.

Definition: nonlocal; adjective, A good definition here is a quote

from
Nick Herbert's, Quantum Reality, p. 214,Anchor paperback: "A

nonlocal
interaction is, in short, unmediated, unmitigated, and immediate."
Nonlocal interactions do not diminish with distance, "They are as
potent at a million miles as at a millimeter." Nonlocal interactions
are not delayed in time. "Nonlocal influences act instantaneously."
Nonlocal interactions are unmediated. "...no amount of interposed
matter can shield this interaction." He tells us nonlocal

interactions
are not limited to light speed.

Consider two particles A and B which suddenly have relative motion
between them.

As stated earlier a vector field will emanate from B's location due

to
A's relative motion. Now it doesn't matter how far away B is from A
when they first achieve relative motion. They can be light years

apart
but as soon as they begin to have relative motion A causes a field

to
emanate from B's location and B causes a field to emanate from A's
location.

this is patently BS

This is the part where when you say that 'this is patently BS' you are
simultaneously saying that Maxwell's equations are BS. You've just
never had the wit


sense of humor? i'm laughing on the inside.

to actually work out the implications of Axiom 1)
coupled with Maxwell's equations. You're simply not smart enough to
get it.


nothing can travel at the speed of light. there's no exclusion to
travelling faster. do a rapid sketch of the Lorentz equations and
note the available spaces and asymptotic limits. c is one of them.
now, if you are talking tachyons and reaction before action, and can
prove it, then you'd be saying something.
i gotta admire your tenacity, if nothing else.


Pay attention. Relationships and changes to them are immediate.



You've been painted into a corner and you don't like it so
you're knee jerk reaction is rejection. Too bad that you reject
certainty in physics.



hmmm. seems that its not me that rejecting objective reality.
find an experimental flaw in Coulomb's law. bet you can't, thought
experiments aside.


Cooper Pairing is one. The existence of multiple protons in the nuclei
of atoms is another. Right in front of you like the purloined letter
but you've accepted alternative explanations for both of these
examples.






The field emanating from A's location is nonlocally
generated per Herbert's description but it also happens to an
unobservable with respect to A's vantage point or rest frame simply
because A cannot move with respect to itself and hence vary its
electric field with respect to itself. So, in this sense it is also
not present in A's frame and hence in this context is also not local

to
A. In the same context it is local to B because it is in B's rest
frame even though it will take an amount of time which is equal to

the
distance between A and B divided by the speed of light for it to
physically be present at B's location.

X2

What a loon you are. A charged particle cannot move with respect to
itself and hence the magnetic field generated by its relative motion
which Maxwell's equations depict as Del X H cannot be in the rest frame
fo the particle itself. It cannot be local to the particle from which
it appears to emanate.


true enough. however, the field can only effect another particle
within the light cone included by the time between cause and effect.



Great. I agree. But if A and B are within say 10 nuclear diameters of
each other and suddenly drop into the same momentum space then the
relative motion of some remote particle, C, will bring about the
emergence of a pair of vector fields, one from A and one from B. As
soon as those fields can come in contact with each other which will be
in a length of time equal to half of their interparticle distance
divided by the speed of light then the particles will begin to
interact. Now it doesn't matter how far away C is just so there is
some component of its relative velocity which is normal to the plane
containing A and B. Consider that there are very many other particles
in the universe each of which has some component of its velocity normal
to a plane containing A and B.


Definition: overlapping in momentum space or occupying common

momentum
space - Two particles which have a common de Broglie wavelength
[calculated from a center of momentum frame] that is equal to or
greater than the interparticle distance can be said to be

overlapping
in momentum space or occupying a common momentum space. This is

just a
direct manner which one may quantify what it means for two particles

to
be 'at rest' with respect to one another without requiring that

there
be no motion at all.

if i can paraphrase, what you are saying is that any two or more
particles that happen to have an overlapping wave function are

already
interacting?

You not only mis-paraphrased but you did a really bad job of it, too.
I've never hinted that two particles which are overlapping in momentum
space are already in a state of interaction. This can occur in
specific instances as I pointed out earlier but it is not a
generalization.


the paraphrase comes with your contention that spooky action at a
distance is valid. if so, there are no limits to how far this effect
is felt. oh. i get it. if B, then A. ????


No, you don't get it. You're still using a catchphrase which isn't
physically valid. It would be spookier if the motion of a remote
particle did not generate a vector field emerging from a charged
particle. It would mean that Maxwell's equations aren't consistent
with reality.

"Explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot tampering in Palm Beach,
Fl"
Errors only Occurred in Presidential Races?
Editor's Note: The following statistical analysis was sent to me by Robert
Cook, PE, a nuclear engineer, with an MS in statistical quality control, a
software testing specialist and QA manager, who has a
track record for analyzing and correcting trends, errors, and mistakes in
heavy construction projects (ships, power plants, nuclear reactors, military
and aerospace vehicles, etc. for more than twenty
years.
Robert Cook presents here a remarkable statistical analysis of the Palm
Beach presidential ballot controversy that deserves serious investigation.
He says that the controversial 19,120 Presidential race
ballots at issue there were "destroyed by deliberate double-punching ballots
in Palm Beach County FL with a 'second punch' for Al Gore or Pat Buchanan.
(In 1996, an additional 15,000 Dole and
Perot ballots were destroyed by double-punching presidential ballots in Palm
Beach County, FL. *)

09 November, 2000
By: Robert A. Cook, PE
425 Franklin Road, #520 Marietta, GA 30067

Ref: Statistical evidence establishes beyond reasonable doubt that 19,120
Presidential race ballots were destroyed by deliberate double-punching
ballots in Palm Beach County FL with a "second punch" for Al
Gore or Pat Buchanan. (In 1996, an additional 15,000 Dole and Perot ballots
were destroyed by double-punching presidential ballots in Palm Beach County,
FL. *)
The national error rate of double-punching ballots is less than 1/2 of one
percent, or at most, 1800 ballots in all of Palm Beach County, with the
errors between all races and all candidates.
19,120 double punched ballots -all in one race, with "errors" only occurring
two Presidential races against Republican opposition - is 33,000 "too many"
to be an accident.
References:
(*9 Nov, 2000 CNN; Jim Smith, Former Florida Secretary of State; WSJ,
11-10-2000) (San Diego Union-Tribune, Nov 10, 2000, page A-12, Local Figure
on Double Voting Only 0.3%; Haas Sees
Red Flag in Florida Totals; by Caitlin Rother) (Los Vegas Sun, Nov 10, 2000.
Statistics Point To More Than Random Error in Florida Vote; by Jace Radke)
The news media is utterly focused on the Democratic Party spin that voters
were "confused" in Palm Beach, FL. They are ignoring the 15,000 Bush and
3,400 Buchanan votes that statistical evidence can show
were stolen by fraud in these 19,120 ballots.
There is explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot tampering in Palm
Beach FL. These ballots show Democratic voter fraud....NOT Republican fraud
or "voter error" as publicized by the national media.
Statistical evidence cannot prove any single ballot was tampered with, nor
show which individual tampered with any single ballot. It can show specific
places and times and methods where the fraud was done.
(For example, if 15,000 dollars are missing from the register the day after
your cashier left on a Los Vegas vacation, there is no direct evidence that
the cashier stole the money. If, however, 19,120 dollars are
missing from the register the next year when the cashier again leaves for
vacation in Los Vegas, one has reason to investigate the cashier closely.)
Consider these "unusual" ballot problems in Palm Beach, FL - every one of
them adds more Gore votes, and removed Republican and Reform party votes.
ONLY Palm Beach County Florida voters seem incapable of understanding and
using this style of ballot.
Palm Beach County has an error rate TEN TIMES larger than reported in ANY
other county in the nation using paper punch ballots! No information is
available about the number of ballots invalidated for
previous primary, state, and the 1998 Congressional votes. Unless an equal
number (equal proportion of "invalid ballots" per primary voter) of ballots
was double-punched in the 1996 primaries, the 1998
primaries, and the 1998 Congressional races ..... the Palm Beach election
officials are specifically guilty of deliberate ballot tampering fraud in
the year 2000 Presidential elections.)
ONLY in Palm Beach FL were 15,000 ballots "invalidated" (for double punched
ballots) in the 1996 Presidential election. (This is almost unique among the
entire nation! (Certain central city Democratic
precincts in Chicago reported 120,000 double-punched ballots; and Duval
County in Florida reported 22,000 double-punched ballots. Neither used the
same arrangement of candidates as at Palm Beach. This
shows that "lining up" buttons was NOT actually an issue at Palm Beach, but
was created as an excuse to blame the symptoms of fraud at Palm Beach.)
One early excuse given to the national news media by Democratic "spokesmen"
to explain the Palm Beach fraud was that people were 'exchanging" their
double-punched ballots - and were given new ones...If
so, over 26 people per minute "were confused" and voted twice for President!
This many errors were supposedly made, detected, and corrected (by handing
out new ballots) while no person made any "error" in
any other race. This excuse would also mean that more voters were being
handed new ballots per minute than new voters were being signed in. (19,120
"double punched" Democratic ballots divided by 12
hours, there are fewer than 100 precincts in Palm Beach County where the
precinct level returns are suspect . Significantly, the massive number of
errors occurred only in a few of the precincts, and all of those
precincts were strongly Democratic. In precinct 144F, for example, there was
only one "counted" republican voter for president.)
However, the "double-punched" ballots counted in the election were NOT
exchanged, and were actually read by the voting machine. They are the
symptom and the method of the fraud. There is no reason for
this early Democratic Party statement other than that of beginning a
cover-up for the double-punched ballots.
Not surprisingly, this early fable was not maintained, and has not be
repeated. It also has not been retracted or contradicted by follow-up
stories in the national news media.
ONLY in Palm Beach (and in ONLY the most heavily Democratic precincts) were
19,120 ballots rejected in 2000 for double punching....(This is a 4.4% error
rate overall; in the rest of Florida there is less
than 1/2 of ONE percent "double punch" error rate! (Unofficially, this error
rate was 15% in predominately Afro-American precincts, and 10% in precincts
with large numbers of Jewish retirees.) In strongly
Republican precincts, the error rate was the "usual" 1/2 of one percent.)
San Diego County has 800,000 voters, and (overall) has more senior, retired,
minority, and new immigrants than does Palm Beach
County. Since all of these were represented the 1992, 1996, and 2000 results
in the San Diego double count totals, there can be no excuse for "innocent
errors" in Palm Beach.
ONLY in Palm Beach did this "double punch" error happen ONLY in the
Gore-Bush-Buchanan selections for President. (In a truly random "error," the
mistakes happen in every race, all at about the same rate.
In Palm Beach, the massive errors (over 19,000) ONLY happened in the
Presidential race.)
ONLY in Palm Beach has the news media complained about "massive" ballot
confusion. In the 43 counties in Missouri, also mostly Democratic voters,
which use the same kind of ballot, there are NO
complaints about "confused voters" at all. (St Louis Post Dispatch, Nov 8,
2000) Therefore, ONLY in Palm Beach FL do the Democrats have to "explain" a
massive number of incorrect votes.
ONLY in Palm Beach did Gore GAIN 750 votes in a recount. In 50 out of 67
counties in FL, the actual change in the recount was 5-7 votes, and in 63
out of 67 counties, the total change was less than 30
votes either way. Further, in 63 out of 67 counties the "changes" were
somewhat evenly divided between ALL the candidates, in rough proportion to
the original number of votes. This is the statistically
expected result, and represents a true and legal recount of the ballots
without any change in the ballots themselves.
This means that Palm Beach FL had an error rate in favor of Gore more than
120 TIMES greater than any other county, (Two other heavily Democratic
"inner city" counties (Flagler and Pinellas) had changes
greater than 400 votes. Whether or not fraud existed in those counties is
possible, but not analyzed here.) In a statistically valid recount, half of
the errors would favor Bush, and half favor Gore. This extreme
change from the normal in only three counties shows massive "tampering"
towards Gore in those three counties between the original machine count
(already tainted by fraud.) and the second machine recount.
In EVERY precinct in Palm Beach where Gore got more votes than there are
registered Democrats., Bush received less than 60% of the registered
Republican votes. In NO precinct in Palm Beach County did
Bush receive more than 80% of the number of registered Republicans. ....
(Absentee ballots were equally distributed by percentage between the two
parties at 8% each. Thus, there is specific evidence to show
that the "level of interest" in the Presidential election was equal between
the two parties.) It is ONLY in the "counted" turnout on Nov 7 that the
democrats appear to "remove" 15,000 votes in the Presidential
race.
Or, it is ONLY in Palm Beach County that more than 20% of the registered
Republicans "forgot" to vote for their party's presidential candidate. This
'lack of interest" by the republicans despite equally massive
"get-out-the vote" efforts by both parties. As shown by the absentee ballot
numbers, there WAS equal interest in the election by both parties; at least
until the votes were "totaled".
ONLY in Palm Beach did Bush receive LESS than 65% of the registered
Republican voters. (Registered Republicans = 231,626 while Bush voters =
152,954.) On average, in every other county in FL Bush
received MORE votes than there were registered Republicans. In the rest of
the nation, poll results show more than 90% of registered Republicans
actively supported the Republican candidate. (Also, unique in
the entire state, the percentage of Republican voters COUNTED as voting in
Palm Beach was much less than normal, despite the pre-election attention to
Florida as a critical state; and massive Republican get -
out-the-vote campaigns.)
This is very significant when the Republican Senate race is examined.
To compare similar counties in Florida, look at the 10 counties in Florida
where there are more than 100,000 democratic voters for president. In every
one of these counties - EXCEPT Palm Beach County -
Gore received FEWER votes than Nelson, the democratic Senate candidate. In
Palm Beach county, Gore received slightly more votes than Nelson, which is
not by itself statistically significant. However, his
"gain" over equally sized counties IS directly proportional to the number of
"blank ballets" (or "protest votes") that were cast in Palm Beach County.)
However, in 8 of 10 of these counties, Bush led McCollum (the Republican
Senate candidate by a major proportional to the county size, with the margin
being between 25,000 votes and 4000 votes.
McCollum ONLY led Bush in Palm Beach County and Lee County (which is also
the focus of fraud due to its change in votes during the recount.) The
margin of Bush's lead in two counties close to Palm
Beach in population was 15,000 votes and 15,000 - equal to the number of
Republican presidential voters "missing" when the number of registered
Republicans is checked.
The only way this could occur is if 15,000 registered Republican voters went
to the polls, and "forgot" to cast their votes for president, or were
"confused" and voted twice for President by did NOT replace
their ballot at the polling booth; while remembering to correctly and
accurately punch 15,000 votes for the Republican Senate candidate.
The same number of "missing" Republican votes is found when the four
Congressional races involved in Palm Beach County are checked.
ONLY in Palm Beach County do the smaller (Congressional) races outdraw the
Presidential race. Again, the number of total Republican votes "missing"
(not counted in the presidential race) is equal to 15,000
Bush votes destroyed by double punching in the Presidential race.
The only way this could occur is if 15,000 registered Republican voters went
to the polls, and "forgot" to cast their votes for president, or were
"confused" and voted twice for President but did NOT replace
their ballot at the polling booth; while remembering to correctly and
accurately punch 15,000 votes for the Republican Congressional candidate in
their district.
When the two "coincidences" of correct votes in two other races are
included, it is impossible to accept "confusion" in the presidential race.
ONLY in Palm Beach did Buchanan get less than HALF the of votes he received
before in 1996. Buchanan's "lost" votes in that county in 2000 were much
greater than in any other district in Florida.
(Buchanan received over 8,000 votes in 1996 Republican PRIMARY (where only
registered Republicans can vote; but he received only 3,407 under the Reform
Party from ALL voters in the 2000
Presidential election. (Pat Buchanan has relatives who lives in Palm Beach
County, and this local support greatly increase the number of local voters
who choose Buchanan, compared to every other region of
the country. There are over 14,551 members of the Reform party in Palm Beach
County - which indicates that less than 1/5 of the Reform voters voted for
their own candidate. The Fraud is NOT whether Gore
voters were "confused" and voted for Gore, but rather WHY Reform Party and
Libertarian voters were prevented from registering THEIR vote!)
Much has been (erroneously) made of the number of apparent Buchanan votes,
with some partial observers (paid by the democratic Party officials who
started the first lawsuits requesting a recount) claiming
that his total vote count "must" be wrong.
It is important to note that Buchanan's running mate is the FIRST
Afro-American to run for national office. Further, she is only the SECOND
woman to run for national office. Given the demographics of the
Palm Beach are, and its high concentration of minorities, it is perhaps
surprising that Buchanan-Foster didn't get more votes than they are credited
with receiving.
There is a simple, single explanation for ALL of these 19,120 problems in
ONE set of ballots in ONE district in ONE state.
15,000 Bush ballots, and 3,400 more Buchanan ballots, were double-punched to
imitate a Gore vote, AFTER legitimate voters left their polling booth.
Assume 45,000 ballots were stuck with a stiff wire or pointed tool. It would
take somebody a little bit of privacy and about 15 minutes. A ream of paper
is 1 inch thick, 45,000 many ballots can be carried by
one person in one handcart or box, damaged, and returned to position very
quickly. More simply, they could be punched several hundred at a time while
the stack is lined before being read at the voting
machine - since all the ballots would already be lined up and stacked neatly
in order at that time.
Originally,
3,000 = Buchanan
15,000 = Bush
25,000 = Gore (Gore has approximately a 2:1 margin over Bush in Palm Beach
Cty.)
1,250 = other parties and random existing errors
750 = "blank" or "protest votes"- No vote for President; other spots may be
filled in.
After ....
3,000 Buchanan + Gore = thrown out.
15,000 Bush + Gore = thrown out.
25,000 Gore (+ Gore) = GOOD VOTES for Gore = counted already
1,250 + others + Gore = thrown out.
750 = "blank" + Gore = Gore additional "free" votes
Stamping 45,000 ballots with a tool (or other device) THROUGH the Gore slot
gives:
Every Gore vote = still a valid Gore vote. (No change in the total, no
change in the recount.)
Every Bush, Buchanan, Workers Party, and Libertarian Party ballot IS
IMMEDIATELY INVALID. They will be thrown out because they have two votes.
They NEVER were counted in the first place
= no change in the recount. The double-punch occurs ONLY in the presidential
race, and no position on the ballot is disturbed. All other races are
correctly counted.
EVERY ballot that had no vote (a "protest vote" against both major
candidates) becomes a Gore vote. All other races on the ballot are not
disturbed, and are correctly counted.
Evidence of fraud by selectively punching "empty" or "protest" ballots
before the recount.
Statewide, 2% of the voters deliberately chose NOT to select a presidential
candidate. 2% of 45,000 ballots is 900, statistically equal to the 950
"votes" changed into 750 Gore votes, and 150 Bush votes
during the recount. It is statistically impossible (odds of over 149 million
to 1) to have ONE county out of 67 change its recount votes by over 900
votes if it is counting untainted, unaltered ballots,
while the other 64 counties (using legal methods) change their recounts by
less than 30 votes either way!
Significantly, the recount results DO require that approximately 900 ballots
be "blank" or "protest votes (originally) before tampering. From the first
set of 45,000 tampered ballots, there would no "blank
ballots" for the Presidential election - all would have an original vote, or
be blank from a protest vote and be filled in by the original
double-punching. Further, no additional double-punching could be done, or
an additional 15,000 presidential votes would be canceled during the
recount.
However, the recount processed all ballots again, and thus allowed 900
"selected" blank ballots to be "newly counted" - rather than being left
blank as in the original.
The key to prosecuting the criminals involved: maintaining the
double-punched ballots separate in the order they were originally received,
and under evidentiary control for later prosecution.
1. RECOUNTING them by hand, recording the remainder of the votes on the
ballot. Gloves are required to avoid contaminating the fingerprint evidence
(if any) of who handled the ballots. Also, if
available, precinct numbers of which precinct processed should be kept with
the ballot. Note that continuing the "hand-recount" effort (as now demanded
by the Democrats) will destroy any fingerprint
evidence available, since all judges are handling the ballots with no
protection..
2. Finding out the order of the double punched ballots (in groups,
one-by-one, or only at the top of box of ballots) will yield forensic
evidence to indicate how the fraud was done, and who did it.
3. Looking for a pattern of tears, hanging remnants of paper, and misshapen
holes - a pattern that will appear ONLY in those ballots that have
duplicated votes - I have used this kind of paper-punch ballot
for many years here in GA. A "valid" hole is created when you punch the
ballot above the hole in the voting booth. IF the ballot has been "stacked"
together and many ballots were punched at one time -
the stacked ballots will have remnants, paper tears, misaligned holes, and
oddly shaped holes......It is these violated 15,000 Bush votes that Gore
wants to declare "Gore" votes....further violating the
legal Bush vote already discarded by the voting machine.
4. The fraudulent double-punched ballots will show double punches ONLY in
the presidential race....and no other errors in other races that are
properly punched. A "valid error" in the first race (the
presidential race) that was detected by the voter and replaced with another
ballot - WILL NOT BE RECORDED. THOSE BALLOTS WOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED
ALREADY by the election
official and the replacement put in the ballot box.
5. The double-punched ballots will ALWAYS include a Gore vote....legitimate
errors will have randomly distributed errors in every position.... If the
ballots include an overwhelming number of number of
"Bush + Gore" votes, and almost no "Bush + Buchanan" votes, then that proves
that this set of ballots were tampered with and never counted in the first
place ... because the voting machine discards
double punched ballots.. IF the ballots include "no" (or very few) Bush +
Buchanan, or "Buchanan + somebody + Gore votes" else....then it shows that
they were deliberately tampered with to exclude
(throw out) otherwise valid Bush votes.
There has been speculation that the tampering may have involved Buchanan
duplicates "accidentally" punched in several thousand ballots cases by
double-punching the Buchanan position. This creates a
Buchanan "double-punch" rather than a "Gore" double punch. The same
evidentiary and analysis rules apply. The result, as far as Bush is
concerned, are the same. The valid Bush vote is voided, not by a Gore
+ Bush double punch, but by a Buchanan + Bush double punch. Any Gore votes
in the group accidentally double-punched will be voided as well.
Obviously.... Every tampered ballot WILL include a GORE vote, if the double
punch was done by a Gore operative inserting a false Gore vote. Of all
double-punched ballots, a certain number (0.3% of the
original 460,000 ballots, or 7-9% of the 19,120 double-punched ballots) will
contain "true" errors randomly spread among all the contenders. Or if an
"error" was made in the tampering, the pattern would be a
massive number of Gore + Buchanan and Buchanan + Bush double-punched
ballots, plus the same 7% of randomly generated errors spread among all
contenders. Further, if an error in double-punching fraud
occurred, it is reasonable to assume that the error did not occur every
time. The ratio of Gore + Buchanan and Gore + Bush and Buchanan + Bush
ballots may vary between precincts, depending on how long
the puncher was "confused" and how many operatives got "confused" between
the Buchanan button and the Gore button.
The combination of deliberate double-punched Gore + valid vote" ballots and
confused "Buchanan + valid vote" ballots will total 19120 ballots.
Approximately 1400 ballots will be random errors, and the
remainder, deliberate (or accidental!) double-punched ballots
To verify this....
count the doubled ballots, list each with what OTHER votes were cast. Almost
NO "legitimate" Gore voter would choose other Republican choices, or at
least very, very few would
.. IF almost all of the Bush + Gore ballots had mostly Republican choices, or
blanks where there is a Democrat running unopposed, then that shows
additional evidence where a Bush vote was destroyed.
ONLY when a Gore + Buchanan ballot shows almost all Democrats is there the
potential for "confusion": these few ballots will show the few cases where
some Gore supporter actually got confused!
A Buchanan + Gore vote with a reform Party vote for Senator is evidence of a
Buchanan vote that got destroyed. Approximately 2000 of these ballots are
expected. There is a definite possibility that the
double-punch fraud involves the Buchanan presidential vote being
duplicated - either accidentally (by error!) of a Gore operative
double-punching the wrong ballot hole, or by a Buchanan operative
adding votes for his candidate.
The Democratic cover-up by Election Officials began before the ballots were
"officially counted. Massive and continuing publicity that declares "voter
confusion" before the ballots are "counted" or results
released indicates that the "double-punch" error was known before the
ballots were totaled "officially."
Palm Beach County was one the last counties in Florida to release its voting
results, and the Palm Beach County results were critical in a last minute
"surge" in Gore votes that reduced Bush's lead from 50,000
votes (in Florida overall) to less than 1500. Late delivery of votes, with
the specific precinct vote count delayed until the required number of votes
is known, is classic symptom of local election fraud. It DOES
NOT prove fraud, but late delivery of vote results is the most common way of
tampering with the vote, and is essential if ballot tampering is involved in
the vote fraud. Late delivery of fraudulent votes has
happened in several previous democratic elections at the national level,
showing that the individuals involved had close knowledge of previous fraud
and its successes.
Local Democrat officials are claiming that these are "double -punched! They
know...and were told early this morning! to collect 3000 old folks who could
claim they were confused...They quickly needed a
cover story to explain that the ballots were "confusing" to create the 3000
Gore - Buchanan "voters" that they need.
But in the remaining two days after the elections, no local democratic
officials can physically identify the required number (19,120) "confused"
witnesses who can attest to actually double-punching ballots.
ANY citizen who realized that they double-punched a ballot at the polling
booth was able to exchange ballots and resubmit his choices. IT IS CRITICAL
TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE
"REPLACED" BALLOTS WERE SET ASIDE IMMEDIATELY, AND WERE NEVER COUNTED IN THE
MACHINES. The 19,120 double-punched ballots include ONLY those actually an
error (approximately 1300) and those double-punched by fraud.
Note, after the first two days, the local party officials have softened
their rhetoric and are only claiming "hundreds" of "confused voters." Again,
no actual lists of these citizens have been released for
confirmation or interviews by investigators.
Further evidence of deliberate double-punching of ballots, and perhaps of
making an error in the fraud itself by double-punching a Buchanan hole
rather than a Gore hole is the immediate cover-up effort by
democratic officials.
The national Democratic Party hired a Texas telemarketing firm to call
several thousand voters in Palm beach County late Tuesday night specifically
to "prompt" Palm Beach citizens to declare "they were
confused" by the ballots, and specifically to declare being "confused"
between the Gore and Buchanan ballot positions. Further, the national
democratic telemarketing campaign was instructing users in what to
claim ballot positions to be "confused" with, and was specifically prompting
the people that they called to declare a "Buchanan-Gore" confusion on
Tuesday night, before midnight. This was approximately 5
hours BEFORE the Palm Beach results were released.
Also, national democratic teams were in flight to Palm Beach immediately
after midnight, again before the results were officially known to anyone.
This indicates that democratic leaders at the precinct level
(and thus the national level) knew about the "confusion"
(accidentally/incorrectly double-punched Buchanan ballots) BEFORE the Palm
Beach votes were counted, and several hours before they were released
to the Florida election officials.
Note too that this telemarketing campaign began before the Palm Beach
results were announced. Before anyone (other than election officials) knew
how any double-punched ballots existed, nor which ballot
choices (for president) were double-punched.
No democratic source has ever offered proof of this "vast number" of
confused voters, and no Democratic operative has offered any explanation why
"confusion" needs to be advertised and prompted for in a
telemarketing phone blitz at any time other than this elections. This
indicates that the actual number of voters actually "confused" is minor, and
further indicates that the Gore-Buchanan "confusion" may exist )
The individuals who are suing now to revote that ballots are experienced
democratic officials, donors, and activists - on even a formerly elected
official.
Democratic officials in Palm Beach County have not been able to explain why
15,000 ballots were double-punched in 1996 AND in 2000. The "butterfly
ballots were NOT used in the previous Presidential
election. Thus, there is a pattern not of massive error by the voters, but
of continued fraud by the Democratic election committee members and local
officials. Further indication of deliberate fraud is that there is
no evidence of previous massive "voter error" in Democratic primaries,
Democratic runoff's, or Congressional races the past years. Specifically,
Massive "voter confusion" does appear in the democratic
primaries (where Democratic votes must be accurate!) and where there was
little effective opposition to the Democratic Congressman (Waxler)
Symptoms of voter fraud by double punching will stand out by the number of
the doubled punches, and by the remaining choices on the ballet.
A Republican voter will have in almost every case have punched Bush +
several other Republican candidates.
So look for how many "Bush + Gore" ballots have mostly Republican choices
below. THESE ARE FRAUDS. They represent Bush votes that were stolen. There
are about 15,000 of these ballots.
A "true" Buchanan voter would have punched Buchanan and a mix of other
candidates....A Libertarian voter would most likely be choosing a variety of
flowing positions, depending on his personal opinion of
freedom and regulation. There will be about 2000-3000 of these ballots.
A "mistaken" "Gore + Buchanan" voter would ALMOST CERTAINLY have chosen the
Democrats in the rest of the ballot.....or, IF AS THEY CLAIM, those "Gore +
Buchanan" voters that were "told to
push the second hole" really meant "only followed directions" ---- THEN the
rest of the ballot would be solid Democrat, or blank.
There will be approximately 0.3% of the total ballots used (1380 out of
460,000) that are legitimate errors or protest votes with a several
candidates selected.
NOT "confused" 15,000 Bush voters in 1996....and 15,000 other "confused"
Dole and Perot voters in 2000.



wouldn't that predicate a pretty nutty existence? or,
could it be as simple as the particles that make up our universe are
interacting at some real size/distance frame.
if your idea constitues some understanding of dark matter or dark
energy, i'm all ears.

Well, if you're all ears then why does it seem that the word "BS" keeps
pouring out of your mouth (or keyboard)?


we are what we eat.

In fact, you're afraid of the notion of 'spooky action at a distance'
because it is a catchphrase used by persons (Einstein and others) who
simply didn't understand the universe.


it depends what universe you are in. my universe prevents things from
happening at a distance without some sort of mediating particle.
i can't speak for yours


You're not even speaking properly for yours.




I've already shown that the
motion of a remote particle can generate a pair of vector fields for
two like charged particles that are near


if you simply said "very close together" i wouldn't argue.

each other and overlapping in
momentum space which will cause those particles to become attractively
interactive. That remote particle can be light years


the problem is this idea that light years apart is meaningful, except
over periods of years, and of course, the influence of that particle
inversely varies as the 4th power.


Wrong. Relative motion is a direct relationship and the relationship
is direct and real no matter how far away other particle might be.


away but the
interaction between the two nearby particles will begin to take place
on a very short timescale. Of course that remote particle is only one
of many in the universe all of which individually contribute to the
magnitude of the reaction between the two particles.


yes. but all these particles are doing their own thing, possibly in a
quantum soup.


That's a null content response.



If you're interested in the nature of dark matter then you should be
interested in the fact that this physics leads right to its nature and
how and why it comes into being.


i agree. dark energy and dark matter are nothing more than book
keeping conventions.
i know that you are going to go wild on me for saying this, as ugly as
DE and DM are, until something better comes along, its the best we've
got.
unless you can find that niche in the current theories where
everything breaks down, or gets violated.
so far, this discussion is discouraging


Because you're not paying attention.



My goal was to show that using just Maxwell's equations and the
principle that all motion is relative that one can show that

elementary
charged particles which are overlapping in momentum space will, in
fact, act opposite to the expectations of Coulomb's Law. This

means
that if two like charged particles are overlapping in momentum space
then they'll be strongly attractively interactive and if two unlike
charged particles are overlapping in momentum space then they will

be
repulsively interactive.

Our whole experimental history with the interactive behavior of
elementary charged particles mainly deals with charges that have

lots
of relative motion and which consequently behave according to the
expectations of Coulomb's law. However, we do have instances where
electrons, for example, pair up (as Cooper Pairs) in superconduction
regimes. The effort of the community of plasma physicists involved
with attempts to harness nuclear fusion has been centered almost
totally around concepts and technologies the sole aim of which is to
increase the relative motion (velocity) of fusion fuel nuclei in

order
to produce nuclear fusion reactions.

My analysis is that this approach is all wrong and that one can see
that in any confined fusion fuel gas ensemble of n particles that

there
is at any given instant exactly ((n^2)-n)/2 pairwise relationships
between the fusion fuel nuclei. One can see that for n particles
where n is 1 that statistically there is a positive probability

that
for any given particle at a given instant that there will be at

least
one other nucleus which will be overlapping in momentum space with

it.

NO! (inf^2-inf)/2 is still infinity
its a soup of interactions

You're back to being confused.


nope. this is not a normalized equation. for 1000 particles, plug it
in and what do you get? a number of pairs.

(1000^2 - 1000)/2 = 999,000/2 = 499,500 pairs.

big deal. probability is 1 that there will be pairs.

you've "proven" not but the obvious.


(inf^2-inf)/2 is a meaningless expression.

I don't use infinities since they are not meaningful in a universe of n
quanta.






As n increases the probability will reach unity. Continuing to
increase n will then mean that statistically the probability that

more
than one particle will be overlapping in momentum space with any

given
particle for some small given increment of time is = 1. As n

increases
then not just 3 particles, then 4 and so on will be overlapping in

the
same momentum space. This implies that n particles will be divided
into j number of momentum spaces each occupied by k number of

particles
so that j*k=n. I suggest that there is a ratio between pairs of
particles that are overlapping in momentum space and pairs of

particles
that are not overlapping in momentum space and that raising the
temperature of a confined fusion fuel gas will not alter that ratio.
This is important because I am suggesting that only those nuclei

which
are overlapping in momentum space can ever achieve nuclear fusion.

This
means that to achieve a successful design of a nuclear fusion

reactor
(one that is constantly at over breakeven) that a means must be

found
to fundamentally alter the ratio between pairs of fusion fuel nuclei
that are overlapping in momentum space with respect to those pairs

that
are not.

I've found the solution to this problem (controlling the momentum
states of large numbers of fusion fuel nuclei) but I first need to
convince the general physics community that if Maxwell's equations

are
true then that means that elementary charged particles must behave
opposite to the expectations of Coulomb's Law if they are

overlapping
in momentum space.

Now all of this is really very simple but in its simplicity it has
destroyed the foundational assumptions behind the operations of

stars
because it demonstrates that star cannot possibly operate according

to
popularly accepted theories, that they cannot collapse into black
holes.

When we apply the fact


fact?

that a gravitational field is a time gradient
field to this analysis of the behavior of elementary charged

particles
then we can prove that a gravitational field must display a charge
separation effect.


this is another one that gets me. WTH is a time gradient? dt/dt?
incremental time over incremental time? dt/dd? or worse, incremntal
time over incremental distance? wouldn't this be ln v or something
equally meaningless? can you get a X product? can you multiply it by
a scalar....


A gravitational field can be thought of as a series of concentric
shells like onion layers. Each layer is an gravitational equipotential
quasi surface and the clocks on a given layer all run at the same rate
with respect to any outside observer. Clock on layers closer to the
source run slower than those further from the source. Therefore a
gravitational field has a time rate gradient or is a time rate gradient
field (shortened to time gradient field).




(It is pretty simple really, because what can be
shown is that elementary particles in a strong time gradient field

will
begin to overlap in momentum space and such overlap for oppositely
charged particles means that they will be strongly repulsively
interactive.) If a gravitational field treats electrons

differently
from protons (which it must) then the central postulate of General
Relativity which is the Equivalence Principle is shown to be false.

And guess what, folks, all of this came not from the invention of
ficticious forces (like the nuclear strong force and its associated
baggage of intellectual fabrications like quarks and gluons) but

rather
from known data, accepted physical principles like the relativity of
motion and Maxwell's equations. And it was derived not from the
pseudoscientific process of 'theory making' but rather emerged

directly
from deductive logic applied to foundational axioms together with

known
data.

So, my argument is rather simple. If you believe in Maxwell's
equations


belief has nothing to do with it....


It has for you up to now. What's changed? You believe in things not
because they have been rigorously demonstrated to be true but rather
because you have chosen to believe a particular interpretation of the
data which isn't substantiated by the facts (particularly the data
where particles are overlapping in momentum space).

Charles Cagle



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You idiots are bleeding onto forums that you don't belong. Please don't
include SCI.OPTICS as this subject is totally off-topic for the newsgroup!
Go away and trash some other newsgroup with your science free nonsense.

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sorry. i wasn't paying attention to the header. this'll be the last
time you see my handle....

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Yeppie, but you aren't talking physics with this topic and definitely not
the mechanics of optical work.
Take your nonsense theories elsewhere where they can be giggled about by the
readers.
Light doesn't travel instantly from one place to another and there is too
much practical things done with light to suddenly assume such nonsense!
Now, go away and don't bother us. We all know better here at SCI.OPTICS to
bother with such stupidity.

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Old August 25th 03, 08:31 PM
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Charles, in case you haven't looked recently, the Subject title of this
thread is "Electric Gravity&Instantaneous Light" and I refer to you the
Sandsbury IFS part of the Subject "Instantaneous Light" which is the really
stupid part. Ralphie IFS, is a well known kook on SCI.OPTICS as he spent
several months trying to get us to believe his nonsense of how light goes
from one place to another instantly but yet takes time to be converted into
another form of information at the far end. The ultimate farcial end of
this was a long argument as to how radio waves (long wave versions of light)
were instantly adsorbed by an antenna that wan't even pointed as one of the
Pioneer spacecraft and then that data gest spit into the following
electronics some 20 hours or so later.
It is all Information Free Sciensce so go away and stop bothering the
practical engineering that is SCI.OPTICS. We aren't interested in your
stupidities.
Trying to point me towards alt.flame is purely a waste of time on your part
as you have noticed from this post.
--
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Works evevery time it is tried!

From the small mind of Charles Cagle

First of all, loon, no one said light travels instantaneously from
place to place. This means that you can't read too well or that at
least you lack the intellect to grasp what is being written. My
suggestion is that you don't make the attempt since you've proven
yourself too stupid to do it correctly. Second of all, you don't know
the difference between a theory and a model. Third, you don't speak
for anyone but yourself at sci.optics and the fact that you think you
do and so state makes me want to post every post with a trailer leading over
to sci.optics even if the subject was knitting. If any of your
nitwit friends at sci.optics happen to agree with you then you
shouldn't pre-empt their postings. Let them post their own whinings.
But in the meantime until you get a signed document declaring that all
who sign it are the entire group of people who read sci.optics then you
should consider that you don't speak for them all. Quit trying.
Fourth, besides being a loon you're trying to be a net kop and that
doesn't work with me. Fifth, you first said that you are bothered and
then you say you're not. You can't get your story straight. The
problem is that you are bothered. It ****es you off, you loonish net
kop, to think that someone might post a post that you think is off
topic. Too bad. Live with it you squeeky mouse.

Last, you're so used to the pseudophysics of the mainstream physics
community that you are not fit to judge what is reasonable physics with
respect to what is not since you've obviously adopted much that isn't
already with your witless nodding in agreement to all that the
mainstream pseudoscientists tell you. You're main problem is that you
need to get both manners and a brain. You're mother should have helped
with the first but since she didn't that means that you came from a low
class family environment. No one taught her so she couldn't teach you.
If you aren't trailer trash by birth then you've made yourself that way
by ignoring what you should have been and probably were taught when
young. Now finally we come to the part where you need to get a brain.
No doubt you have one but the sad reality is that you haven't a clue
about how to use it so getting another one would do you any good at
all. You're screwed and there's no way out for you. It's best you
keep your mouth shut so as to avoid showing the portion of the world
that reads some of these newsgroups what a jackass you really are.

Now **** off, Bob, go back to your little corner and quit whining.

CC



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Old August 31st 03, 02:53 AM
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In article , Bob May
wrote:

Trying to point me towards alt.flame is purely a waste of time on your part
as you have noticed from this post.


It probably worked alright and you never noticed.
 




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