A Space & astronomy forum. SpaceBanter.com

Go Back   Home » SpaceBanter.com forum » Space Science » History
Site Map Home Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Snippets from Russian space (pre)history, the prequel



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old August 26th 04, 12:38 AM
William C. Keel
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Snippets from Russian space (pre)history, the prequel


Here I come again, a few weeks after getting a bit of reaction by posting
a summary of the second volume of Anton Pervushin's _Bitva za Zvezdy_.
Here's a summary of volume 1, speeded along by a couple of cloudy
nights at Kitt Peak and fortunately finished just before our classes statr
for the fall. Once again, I shamelessly stress material that is new
to me or puts familiar events in a different light.

Bitva za Zvezdy, tom 1: Raketnye Sistemy Dokosmicheskoi Ery
(Battle for the Stars: Rocket Systems Before the Space Age)
subtitle page Cosmonautics in the pre-space age
2003, AST (Moscow) (www.ast.ru), ISBN 5-17-015662-6

__________________________________________________ ________________________

Introduction - he comes clean on his particular interest in the projects
that never made it to metal, illustrating the point by way of a bit of
alternative history:

USSR orbits "Sputnik" in 1957. World press yawns, seeing it as simply a
response to US Orbiter of 1956. Cognoscento note that it is much larger,
carries biological specimens. Korolev follows with actual Sputnik 1
and openly discussed these plans beforehand. It is clearly a prototype
spaceplane with space for a pilot.Eisenhower counsels caution, sets meetings
and lays out a decade plan, trying to restrain public opinion. Lyndon
Johnson pushes for a faster program, including Dyna-Soar. Lavochkin
announces a booster - Pobeda - based on an ICBM - which can launch
a winged spacecraft fromanywhere on Earth. Vladimir Ilyushin becomes the
first man in orbit in 1959, in the 5-ton Krasnaya Zvezda spacecraft.
Overshoots landing sote by 1000 km. Eisenhower publicly announces
commitement to Dyna-Soar. Meanwhile Ilyushin's world tour causes a global
sensation. Six more Vostok booster flights follow in 1959-60. One cosmonaut
is lost on re-entry; a second, Sergei Shiborin, dies when retrofire
fails and his spacecdraft remains in orbit.
USSR showers European press with information and plans, wielding great
political influence. Nixon elected in 1960; the space rac isn't a major
campaign issue. USSR announces a new kind
of armed force, tactical space forces as well as nuclear-armed satellites
in high orbit. As a show of force, 15 such military spaceplanes are
launched , maneuvering to make clear the potential of targeting New York.
Penkovski provides details on the system, executed for treason.

US administration panics. Nixon personally pushes Dyna-Soar.
1961 - Cuban fiasco as contras are repulsed. USSR seriusly damages
carrier Enterprise with conventional space-based weapons. Their
trajectories do not allow determination of a point of origin.
Nixon gives a speech on May 25, 1961, arguing in familiar words for
the importajce of space to the US. Commits to a lunar progtram.
UN discusses treaty on outer space, derailed by US/USSR maneuvers.
This leaves territorial claims possible.
1966 - Gemini 2 approaches Karansnaya Zvezda 5, revered by USSR as a hero's
tomb, interested in intelligence value. This begins the Lunar War,
as ity is foired on by sacepanes iwth Nudelmann cannon. Gemini 2 is
destroyed. US attacks and overwhelms Soyuz-3 station in low equatorial
orbit. Sotka, B70, and Blackbord all used to launch small spaceplanes
as things heat up.
1969 - Nixon announces impending lunarmission. Meanwhile, Gagarin and
Leonov become first on Moon, declare it a soviet socialist republic.
Bases are established, USSR announces relocation of its strategic
deterrent to lunar surface.
Young US Communist Dennis Tito gains notoriety as first American to
work at Soviet Selena-1 base, becvomes as well known as Elvis, who
sings "Cosmonaut Love". NASA moves forward with LUNEX plan on its
own. USAF pushed "High Frontier" program, commencing with (failed)
Apollo-X mission to attack Soviet lunar assets.
President Johnson hopes to gain in next step, announcesw
NERVA mission to Mars. But again - Gagarin and Leonov ride what's
basically a pair of Salyuts there, proclaim anotherSSR.
Meanwhile, in the US, the Presidency is won in 1976 bu the candidate of
the Communist Party, Dennis Tito, and a new aera in world relations begins...

(hmm, Pat Flannery might have trouble topping that - and it's way too dense
for me to have done justice so tersely) He notes that this whole
scheme involves space systems that were seriously proposed and designed).
__________________________________________________ ________________________

ch 1 - spaceships before the space age
Reviews early SF, especially from Russian authors. Loving details on how they
imagined the technology, with a uniforlmy drawn set of cross-sections and
views. Starts with discourse on where space begins, arguing that intent
is important in looking at plans and schemes. Says he traces ideas
more than names, but does bring up a slew of Russian writers I was
unfamiliar with.
Jules Verne and the Columbiad
Le Faure (?) and Graf's three space cannon novels

Cosmic slings (catapults)
Graffin's cosmic ballista
Andrei Platonov's 1926 lunar passenger projectile centrifugally launched

Aerostats and dirigibles (mentioned how little understood was extent of
our atmosphere).
Sokovnin's jet dirigible

Gravitational shields
Dumas, HG Wells
Alexander Bogdanov and his 1908 minus-material
Kurt Lasswitz's Martian polar stations

Light-powered craft
Boris Krasnogorskii's "On Ether Waves"

Electric craft
Radioactive propulsion

The emperor's rockets and Wan Hu
A short history of ancient/mediaeval rockets

Rocket-powered planes
Interplanetary rockets

(I seem to recall a story about Pushkin - the writer, not some sort of
artillery - witnessing a demonstration of military rockets being fired
from a submerged craft in a Russian river circa 1840, an invention which
was still sadly lacking any means to navigate underwater. Where is an
index when you need one, so I could be sure that's what was reported?)
__________________________________________________ ________________________

2. The Third Cosmic Reich
Grip of their engineers on the imagination illustrated by a tabloid
piece originally in English, but which seems to have real legs
in Russia:
"On April 2, 1991 (there are no chance dates in mythology) a
US Coast Guard cutter fished out of the Atlantic a downed space
capsule with a crew of three. Imagine their surprise to discover that
the crew were Luftwaffe officers who had left our planet 47 years
earlier at the height of World Ear II. The flight was undertaken
on Hitler's direct orders, using a modified V-2. They spent all
47 years in suspended animation"
This attests to the fascination with the admitted technical prowess of
the Reich's engineers.

VfR, HermannOberth
Max Walse's rocket planes
Franz von Heft's rockets
Rocket-powered planes and Fritz von Opel's rocket glider
Frau im Mond
VfR to Raketenflugplatz
Peenemunde (it was here that I realized what the "Fau-2" mentioned
here and there was, a phonetic expression of the German V-2)
V-1 and V-2 in test and in war
A-3s were regularly recovered for reuse
Piloted rockets, rumors of a few launched A-9/10s based on mystery
agents with radios killed in boats off US East Coast
V-3 long-range artillery
Heinkel experimental rocket planes (He-176)
Glider Institute rocket planes
Messerschmidt, Me-163 development
Competing rocket planes
Arado E-348
Bachem BP-20, which became the Natter
Saenger space bomber
Flying disks of the Third Reich
circular-winged craft date at least to 1915 in US; in 1909,
Anatoli Ufimtsev built (but never successfully flew) the Spheroplane 1/2.
In Germany: Schreiver and Gabermol built model 1 ("winged wheel"),
with test flight in Feb 1941 near Prague. Model 2 ("vertical plane" or
V-7), larger, space for two prone pilots, test flown 17 May 1944
Reached 288 km/hr, near record, 200 horizontally. Another variant
("Diskolyot") was built by the Chesko Morava factory, using
Walter rocket engines. Model 3 (Bellontse disk) (Bellontse,
Schriever, and Mite). Huge design, diameters 38 and 68 meters,
to use 12 jet engines (probably Jumo-04 or BMW-003). Looks just
like the C-57D or Jupiter II. a Describes first and last test
flight on Feb 19, 1945. Claims 15 km altitude and 2200 mn/s
after 3 minutes, and during flight it was maneuvering back and forth
The multimillion RM object was destroyed at war's end. In 1958,
the engine builder Schauberger wrote that the model which had
flown was destroyed by explosives experts. Mentions reported
extremely-high-performance disk Haunebu 2, which resembled nothing
so much as the Millennium Falcon.

"Alternative 1 - Nazis in space?" - concludes that any alternate history
in which the first in space were Nazis would be unrecognizably different
from ours, no matter what the UFOlogists say. (alright, stop that chortling
and humming tunes from Tom Lehrer in the back row!)
__________________________________________________ ________________________

ch. 4 - Rockets and rocket planes of Soviet Russia

USSR was already worried by mid-1930s about aerial bombardment, since existing
fighter planes could not reach even then-current bombing altitudes within
feasible warning times. Several groups worked at rocket-powered boost
gliders or rocket-boosted piston fighters. These projects were all,
as they say in this part of the US, snakebit.

The RNII winged rockets, with Korolev playing a key role, are described
in great detail. The piloted RP-318 suffered an amazing series
of setbacks - above all, the arrest of key engineers during the
Stalinist terror.

Moving on to the BI-1 rocket interceptor, whose development was
interrupted by relocation of the factory and personnel beyond the
Urals, it was given a piloted flight test by Bakhchivandzhi in
May 1942, which was successful as a flight but ended with a flaming
plane after a landing-gear failure. Development continued, claiming
the life of Bakhchivandzhi in 1943 (for which he was made Hero of the
Soviet Union 30 years later). Additional models (up to BI-7) were
built up to the end of the war, but the military situation gave
little need for the unique point-defense role of rocket interceptors
by that time. (Oddly enough, the final models were glide-tested being
dropped from a Lend-Lease B-25J). GIRD also developed a rocket interceptor,
the 302, which was developped through drop tests from a Tu-2 and B-25.

Attempts to boost aircraft performance continued with a rocket-assisted
bomber, the twin-engine Pe-2. Variants with rockets in the tail or
added to the wind engine pods were examined. Similar modifications were
tested on the La-7 fighter as well.

Ts-1 (or LL-1 flying laboratory) rocket plane. Verions with
forward and backsewpt wings were tested. Mikoyan's bureau enjoyed
some suucess with their I-270 (Zh-1) rocket interceptor, except
that by the time it performed satisfactorily, the Mig-15 had similar speed
and altitude and much greater endurance.

D-346 inherited from German scientists, was a sleek swept-wing vehicle
intended for supersonic flight. At various times, its glide tests
sued drops from a Ju-388, Tu-4, and B-29 (some kind of international
record). There's a photo under the starboard wing of what's described
as a B-29, although I certainly couldn't tell the difference from a Tu-4.
This reached 950 km/hr, and may have gone supersonic during divs
in its final flights (1951).


Pervushin also muses about a difference in historical approach - in the USSR,
the way to the stars clearly began on wings.

Alternative 2 - the aerospace forces of Comrade Stalin?
Nope, way to many "ifs".

__________________________________________________ ________________________

ch. 5 - The race for leadership

The impact of Sputnik 1, East and West. Russian citizens now tend to see
this as a triumphal human achievement, forgetting that at the time
thre was a purely political spin. He quotes a Steven King novel attesting
to the impact in the West, and wonders whether the Americans' sense of
entitlement blinds them to reality, even to missing the areas in which
they didn't have to gloss over anything.

He makes what is either a grossly misleading generalization or an insightful
observation (perhaps both) about the reaction to SF tales of space flight,
claiming that while in the USSR fan clubs understood themselves to be
about literary criticism, in the US they were about dreaming of making the
unreal real. (Actually his spin on the US situation is less flattering
than that phrase, maybe more like deliberate confusion of fantasy with
reality).

Goddard's work, patents, and his striking lack of influence on US rocket
development in spite of having his name on a space flight center, medal,
and all over the history books. The role of what became JPL. WAC-Corporal
flights, Viking, Bumper. Vanguard and Explorer 1. He describes many of
these launches in Novosti Kosmonavtiki-level detail.
__________________________________________________ ________________________

ch. 6 - on the question of priority

The first satellite, revised version. Eisenhower and the problem of
satellite overflight and national sovereignty (and why should he
worry about overflights after authorizing the U-2 program over the USSR?).
He certainly underestimated the impact of the first satellite on world
opinion - and so, for that matter, did the Soviet leadership.

So back in the USSR - the role of captured V-2 parts and their reconstruction
on Korolev et al., as they were still struggling with rocket planes. This
experience and a visit to postwar Germany redirected Korolev's interest to
"pure" rockets. Ten years of Soviet rocket development, starting with the
V-2 analog R-1. The 1952 programs Geran' and Generator, which studied
the spread of radioactive materials by exploding R-2 warheads over
northeast Kazakhstan and studying the dispersal of liquid or pelletized
radioactive tracers.

The G-series rockets and their origins with the competing efforts by USSR
and USA to gather in Germany the harvest of wartime technology. Korolev,
Glushko, and Chelomei are already important players.

Geophysical rockets in the USSR, 1949-1970. Those odd things on the sides of
the intermediate models must be the separable-in-flight instrument units.
One of these, a V-5A, reached a single-stage altitude record of 473 km
in February 1958.

Dogs were first (hmm, our black Lab seems to perk up his extensive ears
at that). Beginning, apparently, with a V-1V in 1951 carrying Dezik and Tsygan
to 101 km and their parachute descent. Later flights woth the V-1D
tested high-altitude ejection and parachute descent. Some dogs were
flown multiple times (Otvazhnaya four times), and showed that their
physiological reactions were less stressed on later flights. Belyanka
and Pestraya reached 473 km, and were examined very closely with
electrocardiograms and X-rays (today we can forget how little was known
and how much was feared about physiological reactions to even brief
journeys into space). In addition to dogs, they also flew rabbits,white rats,
and mice (which were especially used in reaction-time and response tests)
in the suborbital program.

The R-7 on the ground and in flight. Construction of the Baikonur facilities
as the R-7 was developed into an operational missile system. Satellites
"Object D", PS-1, and PS-2, and Korolev's campaign to prepare and launch
one after Vanguard was announced. Pervushin reports that the September
1956 US launch in fact carried a satellite secretly but a third-stage
failure kept it from orbit. (Doesn't everyone else claim that it was
a dummy weight and was not intended as an orbital attempt??) In fact,
on the next page, he writes that it was unconnected with the US space
effort and was a purely military test of the Jupiter-C. (I'm confused).
The Soviet tradition of placing electronics in pressurized vessels
goes right back to PS-1 (whose launch also inaugurated the tradition of
satellite boosters giving the controllers quite enough glitches to worry
about). Oddly enough, like the Soviet leadership, even the people of OKB-1
didn't realize at first what a strong resonance the launch would
produce worldwide, making space achievements, at least for a time, more
important than ICBMs. PS-2 carried Laika shortly thereafter, and
the "double" of object D made it the next year (after the original
was lost in a launch failure on April 28).

Alternative-3: The first American satellite.
Could the US have orbited the first satellite? He feels Eisenhower
made only one mistake, the huge one of not relying on von Braun's
talent and experience. In his view, the American sense of entitlement
(that could lead to the Pentahon plan for "closed skies" by orbiting
myriads of metal shards to make satellites unworkable) also led to
a failure of imagination and perception. Still, the perceived economic
advantage of the US might have meant that Soviet reaction would have
been muted, but their first satellite might then have been "Object D".
Further reactions are sheer speculation - and it doesn't matter, since
in the real world the space age was announced to all the world by that
high-pitched call of "BEEP...BEEP...BEEP..."



---------------------------------------------------------------------------
William C. Keel 205-348-1641 (office)
Physics and Astronomy 205-348-5051 (fax)
Box 870324 205-348-5050 (dept.)
University of Alabama http://www.astr.ua.edu/keel
Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0324
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

  #2  
Old August 26th 04, 09:07 AM
Pat Flannery
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default



William C. Keel wrote:

Flying disks of the Third Reich



Hang on tight, and prepare to meet the Fuerballs, Kugelblitzs, and
Flugelrads that make Nazi UFO bull**** so fun to read about:
http://www.magonia.demon.co.uk/abwat.../naziufo1.html
"Mein Fuhrer! I can FLY!"

_________________________________________________ _________________________

ch. 4 - Rockets and rocket planes of Soviet Russia



Lots of good data on them over at Mark Wade's site:
http://www.astronautix.com/craftfam/ruslanes.htm

Pat

  #3  
Old August 26th 04, 12:10 PM
OM
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:07:24 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Hang on tight, and prepare to meet the Fuerballs, Kugelblitzs, and
Flugelrads that make Nazi UFO bull**** so fun to read about:
http://www.magonia.demon.co.uk/abwat.../naziufo1.html


....Oh yeah, and they even bring up the Vril Society. Roy Thomas had
fun with that one over in _All Star Squadron_, back when DC had
respect for Earth WWII and all that.

OM

--

"No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m
his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr
  #4  
Old August 26th 04, 06:03 PM
Pat Flannery
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default



OM wrote:

...Oh yeah, and they even bring up the Vril Society. Roy Thomas had
fun with that one over in _All Star Squadron_, back when DC had
respect for Earth WWII and all that.


Yeah, until modern Russia and _its_ present news media, the Nazis had
the gold medal for a crazy world view.
Say, given _our_ media, and his Fox connections, maybe it's time for
Rand to head to the Time Vortex at the South Pole:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/...xperiment.html
If we could _prevent_ Rupert Murdoch from being born.....Rupert's dad
was at Gallipoli (where he wrote a news story saying that British troops
were engaging in cannibalism, IIRC)....and one well-placed "Turkish" LAW
round....
I'll get the the anti-tank rocket and the Delorean; you get the Fezzes
and the coffee cups...it's time to change history!
In the new and slightly different future, Rand Simberg will find himself
as the voice of Homer Blimpson on Ted Turner's Fox Channel's "The
Blimpsons"- a hilarious cartoon program about a none-too-bright family
man who works at the Goodyear passenger dirigible factory:
Bart Blimpson: "Ay carumba, dad! You filled her up with hydrogen by
mistake!"
Mr. Hindenburns: "Blimpson, for this I'll impale you on the Zeppelin
mast atop the Empire State Skyscraper..."
Homer Blimpson: "D'oh....when I catch up with that Right-Way Corrigan..."
(cut to scene of Empire State Skyscraper with Mighty Joe Young climbing
it, carrying Mae West in his hand)
Mae: "When I asked you to come up and see me some time, I didn't mean
quite this high up, big boy...oh.... you got a whole lot of
"personality" down there, don't ya? Looks like it might be time to peel
me a banana..." :-)

Pat

  #5  
Old August 26th 04, 07:03 PM
OM
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:03:16 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Say, given _our_ media, and his Fox connections, maybe it's time for
Rand to head to the Time Vortex at the South Pole:


....Nah, he'd just fall into that big hole, wind up in Skartaris, and
get eaten by a T-Rex.

[thinks]

....So, can we get the paypal account going so we can send Rand *and*
Jay, then?

OM

--

"No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m
his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
European high technology for the International Space Station Jacques van Oene Space Station 0 May 10th 04 02:40 PM
Lunar base and space manufacturing books for sale Martin Bayer History 0 May 1st 04 04:57 PM
Clueless pundits (was High-flight rate Medium vs. New Heavy lift launchers) Rand Simberg Space Science Misc 18 February 14th 04 03:28 AM
DDRDE model of 4D space (curved 3D space w/ invertibility) Scandere Astronomy Misc 0 January 15th 04 12:57 AM
Report on China's Space Program Steve Dufour Misc 20 October 25th 03 06:43 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:36 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 SpaceBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.