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On Dec 10, 6:03*am, palsing wrote:
On Sunday, December 9, 2012 7:08:39 PM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote: ...the determination that local tracking of a star in stellar circumpolar motion reflects daily rotation is false... So, what does it indicate? Constant axial alignment throughout an annual cycle and that is it. The world should not suffer another day with silly reasoning which tries to force a conclusion on stellar circumpolar motion using the daily and orbital motions of the Earth and I don't blame you nor the other empiricists insofar as that would be admitting that it is possible for you to adapt to the 24 hour AM/PM system and the Lat/ Long system. You don't have the slightest inkling of the damage being caused in many areas of human endeavor and it is not so much a game that the basic planetary facts can be buried under a blizzard of time abbreviations and VLBI voodoo,it is that normally decent and reasonable people don't know how to respond to this tragedy. I never thought you in the same league as Davoud who never wastes an opportunity to announce a 'killfile' as if it meant something,after all,in an unmoderated newsgroup the really luxury is saying whatever you wish without hope of a response or reaction - too unintelligent I guess for the modern Usenet era.That being said,looking at the barren moderated newsgroups which are like kid's treehouses,I commend everyone who comes here and adds something. |
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It is part of Oriel's mental health issues that he is unable or
unwilling to respond to questions or to accept any answer that differs from his own bizarre view of the world. If you have even the slightest degree of compassion for him you will refuse to acknowledge his existance in this group. In that way there is at least some hope that he can get the help he so urgently needs. The way he endlessly repeats minor variations of the same nonsense is just one symptom of his illness. He quite literally cannot stop himself from posting (it is both instructive and frightening to examine how often he posts) and it is hard to imagine that he has a normal life as in paid employment, a family and other leisure activities. |
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On Dec 10, 5:46*am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote: "oriel36" *wrote in message ... On Dec 9, 9:55 pm, Martin Brown wrote: On 08/12/2012 23:09, Quadibloc wrote: On Dec 7, 12:58 pm, oriel36 wrote: The use of VLBI has about the same intellectual substance as photographing the wandering Sun analemma In the sense that both are based on the knowledge of the physical laws that govern the universe he is actually right. The great thing about VLBI and any other large network of interferometer telscopes is that with N scopes you get N(N-1)(N-2)/6 good phase observables Jennison (1958) and N(N-1)(N-2)(N-3)/12 good amplitude observables. It is for this reason that the VLBI network scopes tend to take chances in stormy weather to stay on the network. Dropping from N=9 to 8 is a big hit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_phase You are saying this to a newsgroup filled with people who have frequently seen with their own eyes that the resolving power of a telescope increases with its aperture - which is another manifestation of the wave nature of light (Newton was partial to the opposing corpuscular theory) on which VLBI is based. At long last, have you no sense of irony? Much harder to explain is intensity interferometry where photon counting detectors were used to measure the diameters of the most promising super giants were measured by Hanbury-Brown and Twiss at Jodrell Bank to prove the concept and later with a much larger setup at Narrabi in South Africa. The book is fairly rare but the technique led to a very fierce debate in the physics community about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanbury...d_Twiss_effect Wave paricle duality has some very interesting consequences. These guys deserve much better recognition for their ground breaking research! I don't actually like thi semi-classical derivation but it is online. ISTR someone in s.e.d posted a link to a scan of the book but I don't believe in copyright infringement so I am not reposting it here. http://szczypka.web.cern.ch/szczypka...wiss/twiss.pdf Note that in the implementation of the H-B intensity interferometer the detectors were photon counting devices 931A phototubes if memory serves.. The correlation are real and determined by the baeline length and the angular diameter of the source. Regards, Martin Brown It doesn't matter whether a pendulum clock is used or VLBI,the determination that local tracking of a star in stellar circumpolar motion reflects daily rotation is false by virtue that it is a homocentric determination which happens to be one step lower that geocentricity and equivalent to astronomical oblivion. I notice with greater frequency that they no longer call their imaginative conceptions by the name of 'theories' but 'models' and the first one was trying to model the motions of the Earth using the 24 hour AM/PM cycle allied with the Lat/Long system which in turn happen to be an extension of the 1461 day calendar cycle in a format of 365 day/366 day rotations. You don't have a feel for astronomical timekeeping nor structural astronomy Brown and although you and your colleagues will continue like this for a while,even a long while,but technically you are finished as astronomy recovers the ability to correlate cause and effect between dynamics and what happens on Earth. ================================================== == Rut roh... Kelleher is now preaching astrology. *My star sign is Cepheus, Kelleher. What do the dynamic stars foretell my future to be, here on Earth? Will I go on a journey? Will I meet a short, blond and chubby woman? Consult the crystal ball and the star charts for me, Kelleher. -- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway The spiel of the two sticks in the ground,a watch and the return of a star is homocentric which you jokers called relativity and so what if you can't comprehend Isaac's distortion of the Equation of Time as it correlates natural noon AM/PM to 24 hour AM/PM,it is no more than I have come to expect from people who probably consider themselves less of a thug than you are.Royal Society empiricism indeed !,it has been a pleasure to watch it disintegrate through the natural processes which are now visible through contemporary imaging and hang on to the voodoo of equations - visible interpretation is always the great equalizer and will be more so in the future. If the IAU could be any less of an astronomical community I would not know how,there is something so perverse in the inability to express known planetary facts contained in the 24 hour AM/PM format as it is tied to the Lat/Long system that you actually have to veer far out of your way to support the Ra/Dec extensions and what it limitations are. Turns out you are the same as all relativists/empiricists in being chained to the same circumpolar error that is going nowhere while genuine astronomy has been here all along.How many 'astronomers' made a nice wage today under false pretenses when it is just as easy to work towards restoring a stable astronomical narrative which they can have for nothing. |
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"oriel36" wrote in message
... On Dec 10, 5:46 am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway" wrote: "oriel36" wrote in message ... On Dec 9, 9:55 pm, Martin Brown wrote: On 08/12/2012 23:09, Quadibloc wrote: On Dec 7, 12:58 pm, oriel36 wrote: The use of VLBI has about the same intellectual substance as photographing the wandering Sun analemma In the sense that both are based on the knowledge of the physical laws that govern the universe he is actually right. The great thing about VLBI and any other large network of interferometer telscopes is that with N scopes you get N(N-1)(N-2)/6 good phase observables Jennison (1958) and N(N-1)(N-2)(N-3)/12 good amplitude observables. It is for this reason that the VLBI network scopes tend to take chances in stormy weather to stay on the network. Dropping from N=9 to 8 is a big hit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_phase You are saying this to a newsgroup filled with people who have frequently seen with their own eyes that the resolving power of a telescope increases with its aperture - which is another manifestation of the wave nature of light (Newton was partial to the opposing corpuscular theory) on which VLBI is based. At long last, have you no sense of irony? Much harder to explain is intensity interferometry where photon counting detectors were used to measure the diameters of the most promising super giants were measured by Hanbury-Brown and Twiss at Jodrell Bank to prove the concept and later with a much larger setup at Narrabi in South Africa. The book is fairly rare but the technique led to a very fierce debate in the physics community about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanbury...d_Twiss_effect Wave paricle duality has some very interesting consequences. These guys deserve much better recognition for their ground breaking research! I don't actually like thi semi-classical derivation but it is online. ISTR someone in s.e.d posted a link to a scan of the book but I don't believe in copyright infringement so I am not reposting it here. http://szczypka.web.cern.ch/szczypka...wiss/twiss.pdf Note that in the implementation of the H-B intensity interferometer the detectors were photon counting devices 931A phototubes if memory serves. The correlation are real and determined by the baeline length and the angular diameter of the source. Regards, Martin Brown It doesn't matter whether a pendulum clock is used or VLBI,the determination that local tracking of a star in stellar circumpolar motion reflects daily rotation is false by virtue that it is a homocentric determination which happens to be one step lower that geocentricity and equivalent to astronomical oblivion. I notice with greater frequency that they no longer call their imaginative conceptions by the name of 'theories' but 'models' and the first one was trying to model the motions of the Earth using the 24 hour AM/PM cycle allied with the Lat/Long system which in turn happen to be an extension of the 1461 day calendar cycle in a format of 365 day/366 day rotations. You don't have a feel for astronomical timekeeping nor structural astronomy Brown and although you and your colleagues will continue like this for a while,even a long while,but technically you are finished as astronomy recovers the ability to correlate cause and effect between dynamics and what happens on Earth. ================================================== == Rut roh... Kelleher is now preaching astrology. My star sign is Cepheus, Kelleher. What do the dynamic stars foretell my future to be, here on Earth? Will I go on a journey? Will I meet a short, blond and chubby woman? Consult the crystal ball and the star charts for me, Kelleher. -- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway The spiel of the two sticks in the ground,a watch and the return of a star is homocentric which you jokers called relativity and so what if you can't comprehend Isaac's distortion of the Equation of Time as it correlates natural noon AM/PM to 24 hour AM/PM,it is no more than I have come to expect from people who probably consider themselves less of a thug than you are.Royal Society empiricism indeed !,it has been a pleasure to watch it disintegrate through the natural processes which are now visible through contemporary imaging and hang on to the voodoo of equations - visible interpretation is always the great equalizer and will be more so in the future. If the IAU could be any less of an astronomical community I would not know how,there is something so perverse in the inability to express known planetary facts contained in the 24 hour AM/PM format as it is tied to the Lat/Long system that you actually have to veer far out of your way to support the Ra/Dec extensions and what it limitations are. Turns out you are the same as all relativists/empiricists in being chained to the same circumpolar error that is going nowhere while genuine astronomy has been here all along.How many 'astronomers' made a nice wage today under false pretenses when it is just as easy to work towards restoring a stable astronomical narrative which they can have for nothing. ================================================== == My star sign is Cepheus, Kelleher. Help me out here, I need my fortune told to me. What do the dynamic stars foretell my future to be, here on Earth? Will I go on a journey? Will I meet a short, blond and chubby woman? Consult the crystal ball and the star charts for me, Kelleher. Read my palm or consult Tarot cards, I don't mind. -- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway |
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On Dec 10, 8:48*pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote: "oriel36" *wrote in message ... On Dec 10, 5:46 am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway" wrote: "oriel36" *wrote in message ... On Dec 9, 9:55 pm, Martin Brown wrote: On 08/12/2012 23:09, Quadibloc wrote: On Dec 7, 12:58 pm, oriel36 wrote: The use of VLBI has about the same intellectual substance as photographing the wandering Sun analemma In the sense that both are based on the knowledge of the physical laws that govern the universe he is actually right. The great thing about VLBI and any other large network of interferometer telscopes is that with N scopes you get N(N-1)(N-2)/6 good phase observables Jennison (1958) and N(N-1)(N-2)(N-3)/12 good amplitude observables. It is for this reason that the VLBI network scopes tend to take chances in stormy weather to stay on the network. Dropping from N=9 to 8 is a big hit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_phase You are saying this to a newsgroup filled with people who have frequently seen with their own eyes that the resolving power of a telescope increases with its aperture - which is another manifestation of the wave nature of light (Newton was partial to the opposing corpuscular theory) on which VLBI is based. At long last, have you no sense of irony? Much harder to explain is intensity interferometry where photon counting detectors were used to measure the diameters of the most promising super giants were measured by Hanbury-Brown and Twiss at Jodrell Bank to prove the concept and later with a much larger setup at Narrabi in South Africa. The book is fairly rare but the technique led to a very fierce debate in the physics community about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanbury...d_Twiss_effect Wave paricle duality has some very interesting consequences. These guys deserve much better recognition for their ground breaking research! I don't actually like thi semi-classical derivation but it is online. ISTR someone in s.e.d posted a link to a scan of the book but I don't believe in copyright infringement so I am not reposting it here. http://szczypka.web.cern.ch/szczypka...wiss/twiss.pdf Note that in the implementation of the H-B intensity interferometer the detectors were photon counting devices 931A phototubes if memory serves. The correlation are real and determined by the baeline length and the angular diameter of the source. Regards, Martin Brown It doesn't matter whether a pendulum clock is used or VLBI,the determination that local tracking of a star in stellar circumpolar motion reflects daily rotation is false by virtue that it is a homocentric determination which happens to be one step lower that geocentricity and equivalent to astronomical oblivion. I notice with greater frequency that they no longer call their imaginative conceptions by the name of 'theories' but 'models' and the first one was trying to model the motions of the Earth using the 24 hour AM/PM cycle allied with the Lat/Long system which in turn happen to be an extension of the 1461 day calendar cycle in a format of 365 day/366 day rotations. You don't have a feel for astronomical timekeeping nor structural astronomy Brown and although you and your colleagues will continue like this for a while,even a long while,but technically you are finished as astronomy recovers the ability to correlate cause and effect between dynamics and what happens on Earth. ================================================== == Rut roh... Kelleher is now preaching astrology. *My star sign is Cepheus, Kelleher. What do the dynamic stars foretell my future to be, here on Earth? Will I go on a journey? Will I meet a short, blond and chubby woman? Consult the crystal ball and the star charts for me, Kelleher. -- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway The spiel of the two sticks in the ground,a watch and the return of a star is homocentric which you jokers called relativity and so what if you can't comprehend Isaac's *distortion of the Equation of Time as it correlates natural noon AM/PM to 24 hour AM/PM,it is no more than I have come to expect *from people who probably consider themselves less of a thug than you are.Royal Society empiricism indeed !,it has been a pleasure to watch it disintegrate through the natural processes which are now visible through contemporary imaging and hang on to the voodoo of equations - visible interpretation is always the great equalizer and will be more so in the future. If the IAU could be any less of an astronomical community I would not know how,there is something so perverse in the inability to express known planetary facts contained in the 24 hour AM/PM format as it is tied to the Lat/Long system that you actually have to veer far out of your way to support the Ra/Dec extensions and what it limitations are. Turns out you are the same as all relativists/empiricists in being chained to the same circumpolar error that is going nowhere while genuine astronomy has been here all along.How many 'astronomers' made a nice wage today under false pretenses when it is just as *easy to work towards restoring a stable astronomical narrative which they can have for nothing. ================================================== == My star sign is Cepheus, Kelleher. Help me out here, I need my fortune told to me. You are like the other dummy who designs and begins a game he doesn't even have to play,loses it anyway and then goes on to instruct everyone here not to correspond as if that was going to happen.It was so easy before to get you into supporting the same relativity you rant and rail against that I wouldn't even consider it a challenge but then again,when did any of you challenge yourselves,more like thugs shouting from the stands that frontier people at the boundaries of creativity and productivity. So,no need to predict anything,you are trapped in the same poor late 17th century conclusions as everyone else hence I know your limitations and those you unfortunate people would impose on the rest of the world so you could continue with a narrow-minded,mean spirited existence where you only know each other by what you hate. |
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"oriel36" wrote in message
... On Dec 10, 8:48 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway" wrote: "oriel36" wrote in message ... On Dec 10, 5:46 am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway" wrote: "oriel36" wrote in message ... On Dec 9, 9:55 pm, Martin Brown wrote: On 08/12/2012 23:09, Quadibloc wrote: On Dec 7, 12:58 pm, oriel36 wrote: The use of VLBI has about the same intellectual substance as photographing the wandering Sun analemma In the sense that both are based on the knowledge of the physical laws that govern the universe he is actually right. The great thing about VLBI and any other large network of interferometer telscopes is that with N scopes you get N(N-1)(N-2)/6 good phase observables Jennison (1958) and N(N-1)(N-2)(N-3)/12 good amplitude observables. It is for this reason that the VLBI network scopes tend to take chances in stormy weather to stay on the network. Dropping from N=9 to 8 is a big hit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_phase You are saying this to a newsgroup filled with people who have frequently seen with their own eyes that the resolving power of a telescope increases with its aperture - which is another manifestation of the wave nature of light (Newton was partial to the opposing corpuscular theory) on which VLBI is based. At long last, have you no sense of irony? Much harder to explain is intensity interferometry where photon counting detectors were used to measure the diameters of the most promising super giants were measured by Hanbury-Brown and Twiss at Jodrell Bank to prove the concept and later with a much larger setup at Narrabi in South Africa. The book is fairly rare but the technique led to a very fierce debate in the physics community about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanbury...d_Twiss_effect Wave paricle duality has some very interesting consequences. These guys deserve much better recognition for their ground breaking research! I don't actually like thi semi-classical derivation but it is online. ISTR someone in s.e.d posted a link to a scan of the book but I don't believe in copyright infringement so I am not reposting it here. http://szczypka.web.cern.ch/szczypka...wiss/twiss.pdf Note that in the implementation of the H-B intensity interferometer the detectors were photon counting devices 931A phototubes if memory serves. The correlation are real and determined by the baeline length and the angular diameter of the source. Regards, Martin Brown It doesn't matter whether a pendulum clock is used or VLBI,the determination that local tracking of a star in stellar circumpolar motion reflects daily rotation is false by virtue that it is a homocentric determination which happens to be one step lower that geocentricity and equivalent to astronomical oblivion. I notice with greater frequency that they no longer call their imaginative conceptions by the name of 'theories' but 'models' and the first one was trying to model the motions of the Earth using the 24 hour AM/PM cycle allied with the Lat/Long system which in turn happen to be an extension of the 1461 day calendar cycle in a format of 365 day/366 day rotations. You don't have a feel for astronomical timekeeping nor structural astronomy Brown and although you and your colleagues will continue like this for a while,even a long while,but technically you are finished as astronomy recovers the ability to correlate cause and effect between dynamics and what happens on Earth. ================================================== == Rut roh... Kelleher is now preaching astrology. My star sign is Cepheus, Kelleher. What do the dynamic stars foretell my future to be, here on Earth? Will I go on a journey? Will I meet a short, blond and chubby woman? Consult the crystal ball and the star charts for me, Kelleher. -- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway The spiel of the two sticks in the ground,a watch and the return of a star is homocentric which you jokers called relativity and so what if you can't comprehend Isaac's distortion of the Equation of Time as it correlates natural noon AM/PM to 24 hour AM/PM,it is no more than I have come to expect from people who probably consider themselves less of a thug than you are.Royal Society empiricism indeed !,it has been a pleasure to watch it disintegrate through the natural processes which are now visible through contemporary imaging and hang on to the voodoo of equations - visible interpretation is always the great equalizer and will be more so in the future. If the IAU could be any less of an astronomical community I would not know how,there is something so perverse in the inability to express known planetary facts contained in the 24 hour AM/PM format as it is tied to the Lat/Long system that you actually have to veer far out of your way to support the Ra/Dec extensions and what it limitations are. Turns out you are the same as all relativists/empiricists in being chained to the same circumpolar error that is going nowhere while genuine astronomy has been here all along.How many 'astronomers' made a nice wage today under false pretenses when it is just as easy to work towards restoring a stable astronomical narrative which they can have for nothing. ================================================== == My star sign is Cepheus, Kelleher. Help me out here, I need my fortune told to me. You are like the other dummy ================================= You are the one and only stupid ridiculous thug that claimed astronomy recovers the ability to correlate cause and effect between dynamics and what happens on Earth. My star sign is Cepheus, Kelleher. Help me out here, I need my fortune told to me. What do the dynamic stars foretell my future to be, here on Earth? Will I go on a journey? Will I meet a short, blond and chubby woman? Consult the crystal ball and the star charts for me, Kelleher. Read my palm or consult Tarot cards, I don't mind. -- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway |
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On Monday, December 10, 2012 at 3:35:18 AM UTC, Davoud wrote:
Quadibloc: But no doubt Oriel would regard the wave-particle duality as... I wouldn't know how Oriel would regard anything because he's in my kill-file. I was addressing very simply the point where he was wrong... That's a relief. So you've straightened him out once and for all and I can take him out of my kill-file because now that you have set him straight he will hereafter post only logical and cogent thoughts. Is that the way you see it? If I had a ha'penny for every time Oriel has made a fool of those who are obsessed with setting him straight once and for all I'd be a rich man today! -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm These threads surface every now and again with little movement however new imaging has appeared since 2012 that extracts astronomy from the theoretical quagmire where the followers either die out or have no way to compete with actual imaging. That is all that is going to happen, you will die out as followers of voodoo and bluffing when there is room for modelling and creating the necessary software to create the graphics necessary for 21st century concerns . Only the briefest glimpse has appeared but a glimpse nonetheless - https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...s+planet+dance My goodness, barely a month later when I was engaged in these things I cracked my vertebrae with 6 weeks in a Norwegian hospital. Such is dedication. |
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