ISS may be abandoned in november

On 08/28/2011 09:11 PM, Matt Wiser wrote:
On Aug 28, 6:52 am, bob wrote:
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/statio...27unmannedops/

I think they should immediately return as much crew as possible to
minimize consumption, and have that commercial delivery take essential
supplies to give the russians more time to fix the soyuz booster
issue.......

The last thing we need is a unmanned ISS that has tech troubles and
gets out of control. dropping station modules all over its ground
track worldwide.......

Given the bobbert's opposition to any form of HSF, his post doesn't
surprise me at all.

Besides, he's addressing the wrong problem: ISS has plenty of supplies,
the problem is that the Soyuz spacecraft currently docked to ISS won't
last nearly as long as the supplies.

Commercial supplies won't solve that problem at all.

On 8/28/2011 11:05 AM, David Spain wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote:
They've landed Soyuz in winter before, the only real problem is that
they sometimes get dragged through the snow for a ways by the wind
before the parachute gets jettisoned.

Jingle Bells are not standard issue on Soyuz re-entry capsules?

...Dashing through the snow
...With one chute dragging in sway
...Or' the steppes we go
...Cursing all the way

... Ohhh....

Kinda gets one in the holiday mood...'

I like that!
I think the cosmonauts have to manually jettison the chute, and that
probably is hard to do when you are getting dragged along sideways.
Originally it was going to automatically jettison right after the
landing rockets fired, but after a early unmanned one (Zond 6) fired its
landing rockets and jettisoned its chute while still a few thousand feet
up in the air, they rethought the concept.

Pat

On 8/28/2011 7:43 PM, Jorge R. Frank wrote:

Besides, he's addressing the wrong problem: ISS has plenty of supplies,
the problem is that the Soyuz spacecraft currently docked to ISS won't
last nearly as long as the supplies.

Commercial supplies won't solve that problem at all.

The newest version of Progress uses rendezvous and docking electronics
very similar to the current Soyuz version; maybe you could dock a
unmanned Soyuz to the station?

Pat

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On 8/28/2011 7:43 PM, Jorge R. Frank wrote:

Besides, he's addressing the wrong problem: ISS has plenty of supplies,
the problem is that the Soyuz spacecraft currently docked to ISS won't
last nearly as long as the supplies.

Commercial supplies won't solve that problem at all.

The newest version of Progress uses rendezvous and docking electronics
very similar to the current Soyuz version; maybe you could dock a
unmanned Soyuz to the station?

Perhaps, but you still need to figure out how to keep the launch vehicle
from failing before launching such a mission.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

On Aug 28, 9:21*pm, Alan Erskine wrote:

What about the other two organisations/nations who resupply ISS (Japan
and Europe)?

But since the problem is the Soyuz return craft, what is needed is to
resupply the ISS with astronauts, not food.

And for that, there _is_ no other choice, thanks to the Shuttle
program going the way of all flesh.

John Savard

David Spain wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote:
They've landed Soyuz in winter before, the only real problem is that
they sometimes get dragged through the snow for a ways by the wind
before the parachute gets jettisoned.

Jingle Bells are not standard issue on Soyuz re-entry capsules?

...Dashing through the snow
...With one chute dragging in sway
...Or' the steppes we go
...Cursing all the way

For flow, I think the second line would be better as

.... With a one chute dragging sway

Leading to:

Dashing throught he snow
With a one-chute dragging sway
O'er the steppes we go
Cursing all the way.

Ears in our heads ring
Making us lose sight
What pain it is to drag and fling
A Soyuz song tonight

etc etc I was going to work the chorus but the most obvious thing to
be jingling as the Soyuz didn't rhyme with "bells" though it differed
only by a vowel.

rick jones
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Jeff Findley wrote:
Perhaps, but you still need to figure out how to keep the launch vehicle
from failing before launching such a mission.

Well, if you thought it was a 50/50 proposition and *really* didn't
want to unman the ISS...

rick jones
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On Aug 28, 9:21*pm, Alan Erskine wrote:

What about the other two organisations/nations who resupply ISS (Japan
and Europe)?

But since the problem is the Soyuz return craft, what is needed is to
resupply the ISS with astronauts, not food.

Actually, the problem is with the Soyuz launch vehicle, not the Soyuz
manned spacecraft. Unfortunately, the predicament is the same as you
describe. There is currently no (safe) way to get astronauts to the
space station.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

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Jeff Findley wrote:
Perhaps, but you still need to figure out how to keep the launch vehicle
from failing before launching such a mission.

Well, if you thought it was a 50/50 proposition and *really* didn't
want to unman the ISS...

The real problem is that at this point I doubt the Russians know what
caused the Soyuz launch vehicle failure. If true, they don't have any
reasonable idea the probability of failure of another Soyuz launch.

Right now the Russians just don't know what they don't know.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

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On Aug 28, 9:21*pm, Alan Erskine wrote:

What about the other two organisations/nations who resupply ISS (Japan
and Europe)?

But since the problem is the Soyuz return craft, what is needed is to
resupply the ISS with astronauts, not food.

Actually, the problem is with the Soyuz launch vehicle, not the Soyuz
manned spacecraft. Unfortunately, the predicament is the same as you
describe. There is currently no (safe) way to get astronauts to the
space station.

I think J Savard was saying the problem for *ISS* is the *time limit* on
the currently docked Soyuz; if it isn't replaced before November, there
will be supplies left unused.

The crew currently on ISS *could* stay longer from both the inividual
astronaut clocks and the supply clock, if their lifeboat could handle it.

/dps