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Old September 10th 03, 01:09 PM
Jon Berndt
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Default [51-L] Left, Right ... and John Maxson is wrong

A recent post has intimated that the divergence in rates between the left
and right 51-L boosters was a sign that *both* boosters were diverging from
the stack. I would like to point out that it is stated several times in the
PC Report in testimony that the right SRB diverged from the rest of the
stack, and that telemetry from the left SRB and the orbiter (including also
telemetry from the payload in the bay) showed the orbiter and the left SRB
were tracking together. For further information, see:

http://home.houston.rr.com/fancijon/conspiracy.html

Additionally, you can see the SRB breach flare sweep around as the SRB
breaks loose and rolls about its remaining attachments in the movie from
E207 just prior to breakup.

It John Maxson has finally "diverged", as he has given up even trying to
support his position, or even to make any sense at all. Too bad. I was
hoping to see his flight dynamics analysis of how the SRBs separated and how
they could have crossed unseen, in light of all of the evidence showing they
did not and could not.

Jon Berndt
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Old September 10th 03, 02:12 PM
Jim Norton
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Default [51-L] Left, Right ... and John Maxson is wrong

A recent post has intimated that the divergence in rates between the left
and right 51-L boosters was a sign that *both* boosters were diverging from
the stack. I would like to point out that it is stated several times in the
PC Report in testimony that the right SRB diverged from the rest of the
stack, and that telemetry from the left SRB and the orbiter (including also
telemetry from the payload in the bay) showed the orbiter and the left SRB
were tracking together. For further information, see:

http://home.houston.rr.com/fancijon/conspiracy.html

Additionally, you can see the SRB breach flare sweep around as the SRB
breaks loose and rolls about its remaining attachments in the movie from
E207 just prior to breakup.

It John Maxson has finally "diverged", as he has given up even trying to
support his position, or even to make any sense at all. Too bad. I was
hoping to see his flight dynamics analysis of how the SRBs separated and how
they could have crossed unseen, in light of all of the evidence showing they
did not and could not.

Jon Berndt
Aerospace Engineer

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necessarily represent the views of any other entity, business, or
organization.


Thanks. What is the significance of the boosters crossing? What would it mean
if they actually did cross?

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Old September 10th 03, 02:19 PM
Jon Berndt
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"Jim Norton" wrote in message

Thanks. What is the significance of the boosters crossing? What would it

mean
if they actually did cross?


That's answered he

http://home.houston.rr.com/fancijon/conspiracy.html

Jon


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Old September 10th 03, 02:31 PM
Jon Berndt
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"Jon Berndt" wrote:

"Jim Norton" wrote in message

Thanks. What is the significance of the boosters crossing? What would

it
mean
if they actually did cross?



To be clear and concise:

The right damaged booster is seen before and after the explosion as sporting
a flare. This is assumed in the ensuing investigation (there's plenty of
evidence). If John Maxson's claim was true (and it's not) that the SRBs
crossed while unseen in the cloud, then it throws into questions what the
flare was that was seen on the "right" booster prior to the explosion, but
on the "left" booster *after* the explosion. His hypothesis is that there
was no pre-explosion flare, and that the flare seen on the "left" booster
was introduced while in the cloud. The upshot is that the previously held
belief that the O-ring caused a breach in the right SRB is bogus, because
according to John Maxson the right SRB heads off south after the explosion,
clean as a whistle.

Totally bogus.

For more details, please read at:

http://home.austin.rr.com/sts51lvideo/
-and-
http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsb/conspiracy.html


Jon


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Old September 10th 03, 02:39 PM
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"Jim Norton" wrote

snip

Thanks. What is the significance of the boosters crossing? What would it

mean
if they actually did cross?


It would mean that NASA failed to perform the most fundamental function of
the investigation--performing a proper identification of the boosters and
that their premise as to the cause of the accident would be incorrect.
After the accident, two sets of parachute(s) were seen floating earthward.
NASA did not track them back to the booster(s) from whence they came. That
would have been the easiest way to verify which booster was which, because
the parachutes and attached items had serial numbers uniquely identifying
them. Instead NASA identified them as large and small "chutes".

See page 1268 of the Presidential report.

http://history.nasa.gov/rogersrep/v5p1268b.htm

On the paper copy you can read the little blobs on that chart. The little
lines that go down and to the right, are the various radar trackings of the
parachutes. Along those lines it tells you which radar(s) were tracking the
objects. If you look carefully back up the lines to their origins you will
note two things. First both parachutes follow the same track to the water
for the most part which suggests both parachutes came from the SRB. Second,
you will note that the line ends at an ambiguous point where you can not
tell which SRB was the origin of the chutes. Interestingly, Metric cameras
M-2 and M-3 picked up those parachutes just 35 and 22.5 seconds respectively
after range safety destruction of the chutes and yet NASA nor the Air Force
used that data to track the chutes back further west to their origin even
though it was an easy thing to do. Instead they relied soley on the radars
which did not pick up either chute for several minutes according to the Air
Force. When I received copies of the videotapes for both M-2 and M-3 from
NASA using the FOIA, I was surprised to see that indeed both parachutes
clearly came from the same SRB as they are visible in the same frame.
Shortly thereafter the small chute pulls away from the larger one as the
larger one fully deploys thus dramatically slowing it down. You know there
are all of about three seconds of that M camera footage among all of the
videotapes in the Presidential Commission library and that footage is of the
shuttle break-up not of the parachutes. Oh well.

Oh and it would also mean that collectively NASA could not tell their right
form their left.

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Daniel
Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC


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Old September 10th 03, 02:49 PM
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Oops in a hurry see corrections below. ***correction***

"Charleston" wrote in message
news:IQF7b.50818$cj1.49913@fed1read06...
"Jim Norton" wrote

snip

Thanks. What is the significance of the boosters crossing? What would

it
mean
if they actually did cross?


It would mean that NASA failed to perform the most fundamental function of
the investigation--performing a proper identification of the boosters and
that their premise as to the cause of the accident would be incorrect.
After the accident, two sets of parachute(s) were seen floating earthward.
NASA did not track them back to the booster(s) from whence they came.

That
would have been the easiest way to verify which booster was which, because
the parachutes and attached items had serial numbers uniquely identifying
them. Instead NASA identified them as large and small "chutes".

See page 1268 of the Presidential report.

http://history.nasa.gov/rogersrep/v5p1268b.htm

On the paper copy you can read the little blobs on that chart. The little
lines that go down and to the right, are the various radar trackings of

the
parachutes. Along those lines it tells you which radar(s) were tracking

the
objects. If you look carefully back up the lines to their origins you

will
note two things. First both parachutes follow the same track to the water
for the most part which suggests both parachutes came from the ***same***

SRB. Second,
you will note that the line ends at an ambiguous point where you can not
tell which SRB was the origin of the chutes. Interestingly, Metric

cameras
M-2 and M-3 picked up those parachutes just 35 and 22.5 seconds

respectively
after range safety destruction of the ***SRBs*** and yet NASA nor the Air

Force
used that data to track the chutes back further west to their origin even
though it was an easy thing to do. Instead they relied ****** on the

radars
which did not pick up either chute for several minutes according to the

Air
Force. When I received copies of the videotapes for both M-2 and M-3 from
NASA using the FOIA, I was surprised to see that indeed both parachutes
clearly came from the same SRB as they are visible in the same frame.
Shortly thereafter the small chute pulls away from the larger one as the
larger one fully deploys thus dramatically slowing it down. You know

there
are all of about three seconds of that M ***series*** camera footage among

all of the
videotapes in the Presidential Commission library and that footage is of

the
shuttle break-up not of the parachutes. Oh well.

Oh and it would also mean that collectively NASA could not tell their

right
form their left.

--

Daniel
Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC




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Old September 10th 03, 03:07 PM
Jon Berndt
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"Jim Norton" wrote in message

http://home.houston.rr.com/fancijon/conspiracy.html


Note that I recalled this message and resent it with a correction. The link
is

http://home.houston.rr.com/fancijon/conspiracy.pdf

Jon



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Old September 10th 03, 03:08 PM
Jon Berndt
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"Jon Berndt" wrote:

"Jim Norton" wrote in message

Thanks. What is the significance of the boosters crossing? What would

it
mean if they actually did cross?


That's answered he

http://home.houston.rr.com/fancijon/conspiracy.html

Jon


And darn if I didn't do it again here. The correct link is:

http://home.houston.rr.com/fancijon/conspiracy.pdf


Jon



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Old September 10th 03, 08:28 PM
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In article IQF7b.50818$cj1.49913@fed1read06,
"Charleston" wrote:


....You know, it's bad enough that his entire family is a bunch of
lying ****heads, but at least Danny could learn to spell "charlatan"
correctly.


OM

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Old September 11th 03, 08:35 AM
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"Charleston"
It would mean that NASA failed to perform the most fundamental function of
the investigation--performing a proper identification of the


or perhaps more plausibly:

When the SRBs emerge from the cloud, there is a momentary optical illusion that
the SRBs cross.

The illusion is created by the fact that the plume of the right SRB is *below*
the plume of the left SRB, causing the eye to momentarily regard the lower plume
as being nearer to the observer.

The right SRB then continues to the North, away from the viewer, completing the
"crossing" illusion.
 




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