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Old June 6th 05, 06:05 PM
Bill Sheppard
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..the nature of "negative time" could
hypothetically embody the fastest (and
shortest wavelenght) state, don't you
think so?

C.


Nah, dunno what you mean by "negative time".
The term "negative energy" was only used as an
expedient, taking Dirac's use of the term and applying it to the domain
below the Planck baseline. In reality it is no more "negative" than the
high octaves of a piano keyboard are "negative" to the lowest octave.
It's all one unbroken continuum.

That lowest octave, in terms of energy density, represents the material
universe, its Table of Elements, and its thermodynamics. Whereas the
ascending octaves represent the sub-Planck domain and its ascending
levels of energy density.
Consider this statement: There is NO PERCEPTIBLE UPPER LIMIT TO THE
AMPLITUDE OF ENERGY TRANSMISSIBLE BY EM RADIATION.

What does this say about the energy density of the carrier medium?

oc

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Old June 6th 05, 07:06 PM
Bill Sheppard
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What does this say about the energy
density of the carrier medium?

oc


Tell me.

C.

It demands a carrier medium of even greater energy density than the most
energetic EM wave it supports.

Furthermore, since the heaviest element embodies the highest energy
concentration on 'this side' of the Planck length (per the expression
E=mc^2), the supporting medium _must_ possess an energy density even
greater than the heaviest element of matter.

I wasn't talking about "energy" but of a
"backward flow" of "time". Like what we
see in an electric current ... form - to +
and from + to -

Two directions of flow, ergo two arrows
of time.


Well, this business of the "arrow of time" is a sidebar of describing
time as a "dimension". Instead, try thinking of time as a PROCESS.. a
process of recurring cycles and periodicities. It only goes one way, and
that's 'forward'--.
oc

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Old June 6th 05, 08:37 PM
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From Mr. Bohne:

Obviously "empty space" does the trick:-)


Yeah :-)

Yup .. it even produces ""virtual""
particles at every possible "point"


Yeah, they pop into and out of existance like gas bubbles in the ocean
coming out of solution, then dissolving back into the ocean from which
they sprang. They pop "into being", then pop back to "not being". Yet
the Ocean is unperturbed.

It .. must possess a lot of energy, yes.
However, on the "surface" it cancels
everything out to {almost} "zero"...


The "surface" or Planck limit appears smooth and unrippled, which has
led our sense-based logic to interpret space as a "void" and treat it as
a void. Because its constituent wavelengths or 'granularity' lie below
resolution, we've remained oblivious to the enormous energy locked
within it.

And the void-space paradijjm marches on, undaunted :-)

oc

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Old June 6th 05, 09:35 PM
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From Mr. Bohne:

All those trillions of stars are just a little
disturbance of that bloc of energy that
we use to call "empty space",.


Moreover, each star is an incandescing 'sink point' of the
hyperpressurized medium venting back to its 'ground state' in the
process of gravitation.
Every walk under the stars is truly a brand new,
soaring epiphany of reverance for nature and the cosmos, when you KNOW
that space is the farthest thing from being a "void". It's a 'natural
high' that never grows old. The same thing with every walk in the sun.
It's literally life transforming.
oc

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Old June 7th 05, 05:53 AM
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nightbat wrote

Bill Sheppard wrote:

What does this say about the energy
density of the carrier medium?

oc


Tell me.

C.

It demands a carrier medium of even greater energy density than the most
energetic EM wave it supports.

Furthermore, since the heaviest element embodies the highest energy
concentration on 'this side' of the Planck length (per the expression
E=mc^2), the supporting medium _must_ possess an energy density even
greater than the heaviest element of matter.

I wasn't talking about "energy" but of a
"backward flow" of "time". Like what we
see in an electric current ... form - to +
and from + to -

Two directions of flow, ergo two arrows
of time.


Well, this business of the "arrow of time" is a sidebar of describing
time as a "dimension". Instead, try thinking of time as a PROCESS.. a
process of recurring cycles and periodicities. It only goes one way, and
that's 'forward'--.
oc


nightbat

There is your physics train wreck oh noble one! Where the
mathematical theoretical alignment was made of so called empty space
with understood separate dimension time and enjoined as one continuum
embellishment. Only a true science esteemed Maverick would utter such
rebelish words without pretense for neither here nor there is it true
fundamental understanding but only blindly accepted mainstream
affirmation to the negative. For the space is but immense quantum energy
based and time but a figment of human observation process not intrinsic
to that being 1st cause elusively deduced and presently held as nil.

Carry on Officer oc, carry on.
the nightbat
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Old June 7th 05, 11:29 AM
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From Nightbat:

..that's the immense quantum base field
always attempting return to equilibrium
or ground uniform momentum energy.


You've uttered that phrase many, many times, Night. I would like to
proffer a translation, thus:

The _hyperpressurized_ spatial medium is always seeking a return pathway
to its lowest-pressure 'ground state', which it does thru the process of
gravitation.

oc

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Old June 7th 05, 11:46 AM
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From Nightbat:

For.. space is but immense quantum
energy based and time but a figment of
human observation process..


Correct, Night. "Time" is but our observation of regularly-recurrent
cycles and periodicities in nature. It's a *process*. The 'tick of
time', or clock rate can vary wildly in our experience of it, as in
"time flies when you're havin' fun." But then it drags with glacial
slowness when we have to sit thru some boring lecture or sermon.

However, as a basic tenet of SR, the clock rate *does* vary as observed
from one inertial frame to another, i.e., time dilation. But to classify
the clock rate as a "dimension" is a bit of a crock. oc

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Old June 8th 05, 12:48 PM
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HiC Best to keep in mind that it was negative energy that created all
that is. Bert

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Old June 8th 05, 05:24 PM
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How about "zero energy with infinite
potential" ;-) ?

C.


Hey neat-o description of the sub-Planck domain. How about "Field of
zero-appearing energy with apparently limitless potential"? And besides
its state of hyperpressurization, don't forget another primary
characteristic: hyperfluidity, which underlies and fixes the laws of
inertia and momentum. oc

 




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