Heavy matter!

Could there be exotic matter in the outer regions of solar system just positive charged ions, matter of proton that totally lack orbiting electrons?

If so i wonder how dense would such an object be how far apart is the nucleus in a hydrogen or helium atom relative the orbiting electrons?

What mass to volume ratio would such a dense object have?

Is it realistic to think that such an object once caught would plunge straight towards the sun and simply plunge thru it. Picking up a hell alot of mass and electrons and later start reconfigurate?

If so could Ison still be out there now orbiting our sun and reconfiguring?

Den tisdagen den 28:e oktober 2014 kl. 00:29:25 UTC+1 skrev :
Could there be exotic matter in the outer regions of solar system just positive charged ions, matter of proton that totally lack orbiting electrons?

If so i wonder how dense would such an object be how far apart is the nucleus in a hydrogen or helium atom relative the orbiting electrons?

What mass to volume ratio would such a dense object have?

Is it realistic to think that such an object once caught would plunge straight towards the sun and simply plunge thru it. Picking up a hell alot of mass and electrons and later start reconfigurate?

If so could Ison still be out there now orbiting our sun and reconfiguring?

If it small enough it simply absorbed by sun at passing but if it have enough mass it just plunge through ripping of an abundance of ions from the sun going into a configuration mode and create a new planet.

And if it have really big mass it create a binary star.

Den tisdagen den 28:e oktober 2014 kl. 00:38:25 UTC+1 skrev :
Den tisdagen den 28:e oktober 2014 kl. 00:29:25 UTC+1 skrev :
Could there be exotic matter in the outer regions of solar system just positive charged ions, matter of proton that totally lack orbiting electrons?

If so i wonder how dense would such an object be how far apart is the nucleus in a hydrogen or helium atom relative the orbiting electrons?

What mass to volume ratio would such a dense object have?

Is it realistic to think that such an object once caught would plunge straight towards the sun and simply plunge thru it. Picking up a hell alot of mass and electrons and later start reconfigurate?

If so could Ison still be out there now orbiting our sun and reconfiguring?

If it small enough it simply absorbed by sun at passing but if it have enough mass it just plunge through ripping of an abundance of ions from the sun going into a configuration mode and create a new planet.

And if it have really big mass it create a binary star.

So it is a seeding process creating a new planet thus the number of planet orbiting a sun is not constant.

Dne 10/28/2014 v 12:29 AM napsal(a):
Could there be exotic matter in the outer regions of solar system just positive charged ions, matter of proton that totally lack orbiting electrons?

If so i wonder how dense would such an object be how far apart is the nucleus in a hydrogen or helium atom relative the orbiting electrons?

What mass to volume ratio would such a dense object have?

Is it realistic to think that such an object once caught would plunge straight towards the sun and simply plunge thru it. Picking up a hell alot of mass and electrons and later start reconfigurate?

If so could Ison still be out there now orbiting our sun and reconfiguring?

There would be no such object.

Aside of a question how the charges get separated,
if you consider forces between the same charges,
you would not ask such question.

20 kg of protons in few dm3
would be much better explosive than any nuclear bomb.
( Note than mass of such proton ball would be many orders higher
than initial mass of protons ).

Stored potential energy would be about 100 billion time bigger
then energy released by anihilation of matter of the (initial) mass.

Roughly counted 1st approximation of surface potencial,
if 20 kg of protons are in sphere of radius 0.2 m

U = Q/(4.pi.e0.r) = n.F/(4.pi.e0.r)

20000*96485/(4*pi*8,854e-12*0.2)=cca 8.67e+19 V,
therefore proton would have potential energy
8.67e+19 eV, i.e. 86 700 000 000 000 MeV,
while proton rest energy is about 900 MeV.

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Poutnik

Den tisdagen den 28:e oktober 2014 kl. 07:56:48 UTC+1 skrev Poutnik:
Dne 10/28/2014 v 12:29 AM napsal(a):
Could there be exotic matter in the outer regions of solar system just positive charged ions, matter of proton that totally lack orbiting electrons?

If so i wonder how dense would such an object be how far apart is the nucleus in a hydrogen or helium atom relative the orbiting electrons?

What mass to volume ratio would such a dense object have?

Is it realistic to think that such an object once caught would plunge straight towards the sun and simply plunge thru it. Picking up a hell alot of mass and electrons and later start reconfigurate?

If so could Ison still be out there now orbiting our sun and reconfiguring?

There would be no such object.

Aside of a question how the charges get separated,
if you consider forces between the same charges,
you would not ask such question.

20 kg of protons in few dm3
would be much better explosive than any nuclear bomb.
( Note than mass of such proton ball would be many orders higher
than initial mass of protons ).

Stored potential energy would be about 100 billion time bigger
then energy released by anihilation of matter of the (initial) mass.

Roughly counted 1st approximation of surface potencial,
if 20 kg of protons are in sphere of radius 0.2 m

U = Q/(4.pi.e0.r) = n.F/(4.pi.e0.r)

20000*96485/(4*pi*8,854e-12*0.2)=cca 8.67e+19 V,
therefore proton would have potential energy
8.67e+19 eV, i.e. 86 700 000 000 000 MeV,
while proton rest energy is about 900 MeV.

--
Poutnik

Maybe it been bombarded with gamma and x-rays over billions of years that simply absorbed the electrons having it transmute.

Den torsdagen den 30:e oktober 2014 kl. 00:29:20 UTC+1 skrev :
Den tisdagen den 28:e oktober 2014 kl. 07:56:48 UTC+1 skrev Poutnik:
Dne 10/28/2014 v 12:29 AM napsal(a):
Could there be exotic matter in the outer regions of solar system just positive charged ions, matter of proton that totally lack orbiting electrons?

If so i wonder how dense would such an object be how far apart is the nucleus in a hydrogen or helium atom relative the orbiting electrons?

What mass to volume ratio would such a dense object have?

Is it realistic to think that such an object once caught would plunge straight towards the sun and simply plunge thru it. Picking up a hell alot of mass and electrons and later start reconfigurate?

If so could Ison still be out there now orbiting our sun and reconfiguring?

There would be no such object.

Aside of a question how the charges get separated,
if you consider forces between the same charges,
you would not ask such question.

20 kg of protons in few dm3
would be much better explosive than any nuclear bomb.
( Note than mass of such proton ball would be many orders higher
than initial mass of protons ).

Stored potential energy would be about 100 billion time bigger
then energy released by anihilation of matter of the (initial) mass.

Roughly counted 1st approximation of surface potencial,
if 20 kg of protons are in sphere of radius 0.2 m

U = Q/(4.pi.e0.r) = n.F/(4.pi.e0.r)

20000*96485/(4*pi*8,854e-12*0.2)=cca 8.67e+19 V,
therefore proton would have potential energy
8.67e+19 eV, i.e. 86 700 000 000 000 MeV,
while proton rest energy is about 900 MeV.

--
Poutnik

Maybe it been bombarded with gamma and x-rays over billions of years that simply absorbed the electrons having it transmute.

I forgot how is electron annihilation achieved?

Den torsdagen den 30:e oktober 2014 kl. 00:35:09 UTC+1 skrev :
Den torsdagen den 30:e oktober 2014 kl. 00:29:20 UTC+1 skrev :
Den tisdagen den 28:e oktober 2014 kl. 07:56:48 UTC+1 skrev Poutnik:
Dne 10/28/2014 v 12:29 AM napsal(a):
Could there be exotic matter in the outer regions of solar system just positive charged ions, matter of proton that totally lack orbiting electrons?

If so i wonder how dense would such an object be how far apart is the nucleus in a hydrogen or helium atom relative the orbiting electrons?

What mass to volume ratio would such a dense object have?

Is it realistic to think that such an object once caught would plunge straight towards the sun and simply plunge thru it. Picking up a hell alot of mass and electrons and later start reconfigurate?

If so could Ison still be out there now orbiting our sun and reconfiguring?

There would be no such object.

Aside of a question how the charges get separated,
if you consider forces between the same charges,
you would not ask such question.

20 kg of protons in few dm3
would be much better explosive than any nuclear bomb.
( Note than mass of such proton ball would be many orders higher
than initial mass of protons ).

Stored potential energy would be about 100 billion time bigger
then energy released by anihilation of matter of the (initial) mass.

Roughly counted 1st approximation of surface potencial,
if 20 kg of protons are in sphere of radius 0.2 m

U = Q/(4.pi.e0.r) = n.F/(4.pi.e0.r)

20000*96485/(4*pi*8,854e-12*0.2)=cca 8.67e+19 V,
therefore proton would have potential energy
8.67e+19 eV, i.e. 86 700 000 000 000 MeV,
while proton rest energy is about 900 MeV.

--
Poutnik

Maybe it been bombarded with gamma and x-rays over billions of years that simply absorbed the electrons having it transmute.

I forgot how is electron annihilation achieved?

If you bombarded a ball of bizmuth with positrons what would happen would it explode or transmute?

Den tisdagen den 28:e oktober 2014 kl. 07:56:48 UTC+1 skrev Poutnik:
Dne 10/28/2014 v 12:29 AM napsal(a):
Could there be exotic matter in the outer regions of solar system just positive charged ions, matter of proton that totally lack orbiting electrons?

If so i wonder how dense would such an object be how far apart is the nucleus in a hydrogen or helium atom relative the orbiting electrons?

What mass to volume ratio would such a dense object have?

Is it realistic to think that such an object once caught would plunge straight towards the sun and simply plunge thru it. Picking up a hell alot of mass and electrons and later start reconfigurate?

If so could Ison still be out there now orbiting our sun and reconfiguring?

There would be no such object.

Aside of a question how the charges get separated,
if you consider forces between the same charges,
you would not ask such question.

20 kg of protons in few dm3
would be much better explosive than any nuclear bomb.
( Note than mass of such proton ball would be many orders higher
than initial mass of protons ).

Stored potential energy would be about 100 billion time bigger
then energy released by anihilation of matter of the (initial) mass.

Roughly counted 1st approximation of surface potencial,
if 20 kg of protons are in sphere of radius 0.2 m

U = Q/(4.pi.e0.r) = n.F/(4.pi.e0.r)

20000*96485/(4*pi*8,854e-12*0.2)=cca 8.67e+19 V,
therefore proton would have potential energy
8.67e+19 eV, i.e. 86 700 000 000 000 MeV,
while proton rest energy is about 900 MeV.

--
Poutnik

Well i am pretty sure that Ison was not antimatter because then in would had exploded already after entering the solar system.

But yet this object managed to plunge straight thru the sun?
How to explain it without using some exceptional exotic matter with stronger bonds then those we are aquainted with?
And the way it entered in a straight course set for the sun must be related to its mass?
It did not graze the sun it went straight thru it.

And that is weird.

Den torsdagen den 30:e oktober 2014 kl. 00:59:54 UTC+1 skrev :
Den tisdagen den 28:e oktober 2014 kl. 07:56:48 UTC+1 skrev Poutnik:
Dne 10/28/2014 v 12:29 AM napsal(a):
Could there be exotic matter in the outer regions of solar system just positive charged ions, matter of proton that totally lack orbiting electrons?

If so i wonder how dense would such an object be how far apart is the nucleus in a hydrogen or helium atom relative the orbiting electrons?

What mass to volume ratio would such a dense object have?

Is it realistic to think that such an object once caught would plunge straight towards the sun and simply plunge thru it. Picking up a hell alot of mass and electrons and later start reconfigurate?

If so could Ison still be out there now orbiting our sun and reconfiguring?

There would be no such object.

Aside of a question how the charges get separated,
if you consider forces between the same charges,
you would not ask such question.

20 kg of protons in few dm3
would be much better explosive than any nuclear bomb.
( Note than mass of such proton ball would be many orders higher
than initial mass of protons ).

Stored potential energy would be about 100 billion time bigger
then energy released by anihilation of matter of the (initial) mass.

Roughly counted 1st approximation of surface potencial,
if 20 kg of protons are in sphere of radius 0.2 m

U = Q/(4.pi.e0.r) = n.F/(4.pi.e0.r)

20000*96485/(4*pi*8,854e-12*0.2)=cca 8.67e+19 V,
therefore proton would have potential energy
8.67e+19 eV, i.e. 86 700 000 000 000 MeV,
while proton rest energy is about 900 MeV.

--
Poutnik

Well i am pretty sure that Ison was not antimatter because then in would had exploded already after entering the solar system.

But yet this object managed to plunge straight thru the sun?
How to explain it without using some exceptional exotic matter with stronger bonds then those we are aquainted with?
And the way it entered in a straight course set for the sun must be related to its mass?
It did not graze the sun it went straight thru it.

And that is weird.

I do not think ison graze the sun it plunges straight thru.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSRK5vnsQzE

Dne 10/30/2014 v 12:29 AM napsal(a):


Maybe it been bombarded with gamma and x-rays over billions of years that simply absorbed the electrons having it transmute.

Kernelm excitation by gamma can lead to some kernel reactions,
but definitely not to absorbing all electrons.

If there is too gigh neutron/proton ratio,
kernel starts beta decays to gain the balance.

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Poutnik