Aether has mass

On Dec 9, 1:57*am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:
"benj" *wrote in ...
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:44:32 -0800, mpc755 wrote:

The Michelson-Morley experiment looked for an absolutely stationary
space the Earth moves through. The aether is not an absolutely
stationary space. Aether is displaced by matter.
Binje wrote:

Exactly correct.

============================================Androc les writes:

Exactly absolute proof of no aether. Turbulence in any such mechanical
aether caused by matter displacement would change the apparent position
of the stars, especially turbulent aether displacement caused by the
nearby Moon.
Flogging the skeleton of a horse that's been dead for over 100 years
won't lead it to water or make it think.
mpc775 = Exactly absolute ancient idiot.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway

"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory
of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium
when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such
medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative
connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association
with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped
of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most
physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually
says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading
the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic
symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time
relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began
showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure
similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent
studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand
that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian
emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but
can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a
part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day
by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this
because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics,
endowed chair in physics, Stanford University

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is
unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation
of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space
and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time
intervals in the physical sense." - Albert Einstein

The relativistic ether referred to by Laughlin is the ether which
propagates light referred to by Einstein

On Dec 8, 10:17*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 9, 1:11*am, Brad Guth wrote:









On Dec 8, 9:47*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 8, 11:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 8, 2:23*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 8, 5:02*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

Are you somehow unable to work with anyone other than myself?

You do realize that I do not buy into everything that you claim aether
to be.

I suppose if I were to become independently wealthy enough, as such I
could share my resources with you and others attempting to make better
sense of our complex universe. *Do you happen to know something about
my future?

"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory
of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium
when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such
medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative
connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association
with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped
of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most
physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually
says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading
the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic
symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time
relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began
showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure
similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent
studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand
that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian
emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but
can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a
part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day
by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this
because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics,
endowed chair in physics, Stanford University

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is
unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation
of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space
and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time
intervals in the physical sense." - Albert Einstein

The relativistic ether referred to by Laughlin is the ether which
propagates light referred to by Einstein

Yes, the quantum logic and/or entanglement of photons get propagated,
but not likely the original photon wave or its phantom particle
actually have to move through the aether in order for that original
photon singularity event to be detected.

A singularity displacement wave or that of its phantom particle hand-
off is still not objectively proven to move outside of its original
wavelength. A singularity wave and its particle propagation is simply
not the same thing as something 3D physical being shot through aether
and arriving at another point.

There is no such thing as entanglement. In order for there to be
conservation of momentum, when a downconverted photon pair are created
they are created as exact opposites. They are created with exact
opposite spins. They are created with exact opposite polarizations.
They are created with exact opposite angular momentums.

That sounds entangled.

Entangled means detecting one determines the spin of the other.
Detecting one does not impact the other. The other was always going to
be detected with that spin.

And as such there is no limitation of the zero delay that such photon
spins can be detected, when they each exist at the very same time
regardless of the distance between.

It seems the aether acting as the photon super-conductor provides the
tunnel or wormhole with essentially unlimited velocity potential.

On Dec 8, 10:57*pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:
"benj" *wrote in ...
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:44:32 -0800, mpc755 wrote:

The Michelson-Morley experiment looked for an absolutely stationary
space the Earth moves through. The aether is not an absolutely
stationary space. Aether is displaced by matter.
Binje wrote:

Exactly correct.

============================================Androc les writes:

Exactly absolute proof of no aether. Turbulence in any such mechanical
aether caused by matter displacement would change the apparent position
of the stars, especially turbulent aether displacement caused by the
nearby Moon.
Flogging the skeleton of a horse that's been dead for over 100 years
won't lead it to water or make it think.
mpc775 = Exactly absolute ancient idiot.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway

Except that you and others of your kind still can't explain gravity or
why photon entanglement with zero delay is even possible.

On Dec 9, 9:59*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 8, 10:17*pm, mpc755 wrote:









On Dec 9, 1:11*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 8, 9:47*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 8, 11:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 8, 2:23*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 8, 5:02*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

Are you somehow unable to work with anyone other than myself?

You do realize that I do not buy into everything that you claim aether
to be.

I suppose if I were to become independently wealthy enough, as such I
could share my resources with you and others attempting to make better
sense of our complex universe. *Do you happen to know something about
my future?

"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory
of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium
when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such
medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative
connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association
with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped
of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most
physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually
says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading
the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic
symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time
relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began
showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure
similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent
studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand
that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian
emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but
can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a
part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day
by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this
because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics,
endowed chair in physics, Stanford University

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is
unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation
of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space
and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time
intervals in the physical sense." - Albert Einstein

The relativistic ether referred to by Laughlin is the ether which
propagates light referred to by Einstein

Yes, the quantum logic and/or entanglement of photons get propagated,
but not likely the original photon wave or its phantom particle
actually have to move through the aether in order for that original
photon singularity event to be detected.

A singularity displacement wave or that of its phantom particle hand-
off is still not objectively proven to move outside of its original
wavelength. A singularity wave and its particle propagation is simply
not the same thing as something 3D physical being shot through aether
and arriving at another point.

There is no such thing as entanglement. In order for there to be
conservation of momentum, when a downconverted photon pair are created
they are created as exact opposites. They are created with exact
opposite spins. They are created with exact opposite polarizations.
They are created with exact opposite angular momentums.

That sounds entangled.

Entangled means detecting one determines the spin of the other.
Detecting one does not impact the other. The other was always going to
be detected with that spin.

And as such there is no limitation of the zero delay that such photon
spins can be detected, when they each exist at the very same time
regardless of the distance between.

It seems the aether acting as the photon super-conductor provides the
tunnel or wormhole with essentially unlimited velocity potential.

You have two dice. They are exact opposites. If you roll one and it is
a 6 the other is going to be a 1. One is a 5 the other a 2. One is a 4
the other a 3.

So, when you roll the dice and one shows up as a 5 you know the other
one is going to be a 2. The dice are not entangled. There is no tunnel
or wormhole between them. They are created as exact opposites and will
be detected with 'opposite' numbers.

On Dec 9, 10:05*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 8, 10:57*pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"









wrote:
"benj" *wrote in ...
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:44:32 -0800, mpc755 wrote:

The Michelson-Morley experiment looked for an absolutely stationary
space the Earth moves through. The aether is not an absolutely
stationary space. Aether is displaced by matter.
Binje wrote:

Exactly correct.

============================================Androc les writes:

Exactly absolute proof of no aether. Turbulence in any such mechanical
aether caused by matter displacement would change the apparent position
of the stars, especially turbulent aether displacement caused by the
nearby Moon.
Flogging the skeleton of a horse that's been dead for over 100 years
won't lead it to water or make it think.
mpc775 = Exactly absolute ancient idiot.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway

Except that you and others of your kind still can't explain gravity or
why photon entanglement with zero delay is even possible.

There is no such thing as entanglement. When downconverted photon
pairs are created they are created as exact opposites. They have exact
opposite spins. They have exact opposite polarizations. They have
exact opposite angular momentums. There is no tunnel or wormhole
between them.

They are detected with the spins they are detected with because they
are created that way.

On Dec 9, 7:12*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 9, 9:59*am, Brad Guth wrote:









On Dec 8, 10:17*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 9, 1:11*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 8, 9:47*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 8, 11:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 8, 2:23*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 8, 5:02*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

Are you somehow unable to work with anyone other than myself?

You do realize that I do not buy into everything that you claim aether
to be.

I suppose if I were to become independently wealthy enough, as such I
could share my resources with you and others attempting to make better
sense of our complex universe. *Do you happen to know something about
my future?

"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory
of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium
when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such
medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative
connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association
with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped
of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most
physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually
says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading
the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic
symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time
relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began
showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure
similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent
studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand
that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian
emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but
can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a
part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day
by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this
because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics,
endowed chair in physics, Stanford University

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is
unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation
of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space
and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time
intervals in the physical sense." - Albert Einstein

The relativistic ether referred to by Laughlin is the ether which
propagates light referred to by Einstein

Yes, the quantum logic and/or entanglement of photons get propagated,
but not likely the original photon wave or its phantom particle
actually have to move through the aether in order for that original
photon singularity event to be detected.

A singularity displacement wave or that of its phantom particle hand-
off is still not objectively proven to move outside of its original
wavelength. A singularity wave and its particle propagation is simply
not the same thing as something 3D physical being shot through aether
and arriving at another point.

There is no such thing as entanglement. In order for there to be
conservation of momentum, when a downconverted photon pair are created
they are created as exact opposites. They are created with exact
opposite spins. They are created with exact opposite polarizations.
They are created with exact opposite angular momentums.

That sounds entangled.

Entangled means detecting one determines the spin of the other.
Detecting one does not impact the other. The other was always going to
be detected with that spin.

And as such there is no limitation of the zero delay that such photon
spins can be detected, when they each exist at the very same time
regardless of the distance between.

It seems the aether acting as the photon super-conductor provides the
tunnel or wormhole with essentially unlimited velocity potential.

You have two dice. They are exact opposites. If you roll one and it is
a 6 the other is going to be a 1. One is a 5 the other a 2. One is a 4
the other a 3.

So, when you roll the dice and one shows up as a 5 you know the other
one is going to be a 2. The dice are not entangled. There is no tunnel
or wormhole between them. They are created as exact opposites and will
be detected with 'opposite' numbers.

That's a silly analogy that doesn't make any sense as to the science
accomplishments of photon entanglement.

A photon that travels in order to displace aether can not possibly be
in two places at the exact same time. However, an established beam of
many trillions upon trillions of individual photons, in that each does
not actually have to move but can otherwise be entangled in order to
match the original spin, seems to be the case.

On Dec 9, 10:21*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 9, 7:12*am, mpc755 wrote:









On Dec 9, 9:59*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 8, 10:17*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 9, 1:11*am, Brad Guth wrote:

You have two dice. They are exact opposites. If you roll one and it is
a 6 the other is going to be a 1. One is a 5 the other a 2. One is a 4
the other a 3.

So, when you roll the dice and one shows up as a 5 you know the other
one is going to be a 2. The dice are not entangled. There is no tunnel
or wormhole between them. They are created as exact opposites and will
be detected with 'opposite' numbers.

That's a silly analogy that doesn't make any sense as to the science
accomplishments of photon entanglement.


That's because you are unable to understand there is no such thing as
photon entanglement.

A photon that travels in order to displace aether can not possibly be
in two places at the exact same time. *However, an established beam of
many trillions upon trillions of individual photons, in that each does
not actually have to move but can otherwise be entangled in order to
match the original spin, seems to be the case.

When a downconverted photon pair are created there are two photons.
They are both created from an original photon. In order for there to
be conservation of momentum of the two downconverted photons they are
created as exact opposites.

On Dec 9, 7:26*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 9, 10:21*am, Brad Guth wrote:









On Dec 9, 7:12*am, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 9, 9:59*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 8, 10:17*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 9, 1:11*am, Brad Guth wrote:

You have two dice. They are exact opposites. If you roll one and it is
a 6 the other is going to be a 1. One is a 5 the other a 2. One is a 4
the other a 3.

So, when you roll the dice and one shows up as a 5 you know the other
one is going to be a 2. The dice are not entangled. There is no tunnel
or wormhole between them. They are created as exact opposites and will
be detected with 'opposite' numbers.

That's a silly analogy that doesn't make any sense as to the science
accomplishments of photon entanglement.

That's because you are unable to understand there is no such thing as
photon entanglement.
That's only because you and others can't seem to objectively prove
that individual photons actually travel.


A photon that travels in order to displace aether can not possibly be
in two places at the exact same time. *However, an established beam of
many trillions upon trillions of individual photons, in that each does
not actually have to move but can otherwise be entangled in order to
match the original spin, seems to be the case.

When a downconverted photon pair are created there are two photons.
They are both created from an original photon. In order for there to
be conservation of momentum of the two downconverted photons they are
created as exact opposites.

And those two photons added back together always equal the original
photon that still isn't proven to have traveled anywhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfluid_helium-4
Helium at 2.17 K becomes a superfluid with or w/o aether.

On Dec 9, 9:59*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 8, 10:17*pm, mpc755 wrote:









On Dec 9, 1:11*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 8, 9:47*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 8, 11:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 8, 2:23*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 8, 5:02*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

Are you somehow unable to work with anyone other than myself?

You do realize that I do not buy into everything that you claim aether
to be.

I suppose if I were to become independently wealthy enough, as such I
could share my resources with you and others attempting to make better
sense of our complex universe. *Do you happen to know something about
my future?

"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory
of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium
when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such
medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative
connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association
with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped
of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most
physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually
says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading
the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic
symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time
relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began
showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure
similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent
studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand
that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian
emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but
can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a
part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day
by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this
because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics,
endowed chair in physics, Stanford University

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is
unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation
of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space
and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time
intervals in the physical sense." - Albert Einstein

The relativistic ether referred to by Laughlin is the ether which
propagates light referred to by Einstein

Yes, the quantum logic and/or entanglement of photons get propagated,
but not likely the original photon wave or its phantom particle
actually have to move through the aether in order for that original
photon singularity event to be detected.

A singularity displacement wave or that of its phantom particle hand-
off is still not objectively proven to move outside of its original
wavelength. A singularity wave and its particle propagation is simply
not the same thing as something 3D physical being shot through aether
and arriving at another point.

There is no such thing as entanglement. In order for there to be
conservation of momentum, when a downconverted photon pair are created
they are created as exact opposites. They are created with exact
opposite spins. They are created with exact opposite polarizations.
They are created with exact opposite angular momentums.

That sounds entangled.

Entangled means detecting one determines the spin of the other.
Detecting one does not impact the other. The other was always going to
be detected with that spin.

And as such there is no limitation of the zero delay that such photon
spins can be detected, when they each exist at the very same time
regardless of the distance between.

It seems the aether acting as the photon super-conductor provides the
tunnel or wormhole with essentially unlimited velocity potential.

....however the photons themselves are acting disjointed at distances
of quantized redshift, e.g. note in the following program statements
below (from a program written in BASIC, ref.1), that the distance
between shell boundaries is about 138,000 light years and marks the
distance between successive redshift jumps of 2.73 km/s. This can
only mean that for an observed past event, the speed of light is
further than a 138,000 ( 72.46 / 2.73 ) = 3,662,813.2 light year
distance marker, to the Coma cluster of galaxies, which would also be
72.46 km/sec higher, or 3,070.65458 km/sec. How far away is the Coma
Cluster?

981 REM equations derived from the observational data. This
021 REM distance between shell boundaries is about 138,000
980 REM light years and marks the distance between successive
022 REM redshift jumps of 2.73 km/s.

0.0232*c/(50 km/s/Mpc)/Mpc = Distance to the Coma cluster (z=0.0232) =
139.104 Mpc, assuming H0=50.

From the above generated data, it appears that a cluster at 139.104
Mpc, has a corresponding redshift of 3,662,813.2 years! How could
this be, unless space was stretched 10,247,587(3,070.65458)(60)(60)(24)
(365)=9.9234 x 10^16 kilometers during the course of 3,662,813.2
years???

The stretching of space may also have occurred with a simultaneous
increase in the energy of the ZPE field, which would tend to act
against the stretching of a finite hyperbolic 3-manifold thru
harmonic resonance with either a past or future event, such as the
coalecing of filamentary gaseous H-O-H in the first 400,000 years
after creation, or even the incremental decompression of spacetime
into larger and larger regions of the Zero Point Field. Bipolar
photonic emission phenomenon thus has somewhat of a fractalized cutoff
in redshifts at all of the observable 138,000 LY distances.

[1] http://zeropoint.dreamstation.com/aether.htm

On Dec 9, 10:38*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 9, 7:26*am, mpc755 wrote:







On Dec 9, 10:21*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 9, 7:12*am, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 9, 9:59*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Dec 8, 10:17*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 9, 1:11*am, Brad Guth wrote:

You have two dice. They are exact opposites. If you roll one and it is
a 6 the other is going to be a 1. One is a 5 the other a 2. One is a 4
the other a 3.

So, when you roll the dice and one shows up as a 5 you know the other
one is going to be a 2. The dice are not entangled. There is no tunnel
or wormhole between them. They are created as exact opposites and will
be detected with 'opposite' numbers.

That's a silly analogy that doesn't make any sense as to the science
accomplishments of photon entanglement.

That's because you are unable to understand there is no such thing as
photon entanglement.

That's only because you and others can't seem to objectively prove
that individual photons actually travel.


That's only because you are incapable of understanding photons move.



A photon that travels in order to displace aether can not possibly be
in two places at the exact same time. *However, an established beam of
many trillions upon trillions of individual photons, in that each does
not actually have to move but can otherwise be entangled in order to
match the original spin, seems to be the case.

When a downconverted photon pair are created there are two photons.
They are both created from an original photon. In order for there to
be conservation of momentum of the two downconverted photons they are
created as exact opposites.

And those two photons added back together always equal the original
photon that still isn't proven to have traveled anywhere.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfluid_helium-4
*Helium at 2.17 K becomes a superfluid with or w/o aether.

They equal the original photon because they are exact opposites. They
equal the original photon because they have exact opposite spins. They
equal the original photon because they have exact opposite
polarizations. They equal the original photon because they have exact
opposite angular momentums.

That's why they are always detected with the spins they are.

They are exact opposites due to conservation of momentum of the
original photon.