Aether has mass

On 11/27/2012 1:21 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Otherwise, your topic was hijacked and systematically ripped to shreds
by and official mainstream FUD-master known as Harlow(aka H V A C).


Wow. Paranoid much?

Hint: When I want to 'systematically rip you to shreds', rest assured
you won't be posting ANYTHING for quite some time.


Are you computer retarded and/or browser dysfunctional, or were you
simply born extra stupid and dysfunctional?


It's an honest question, MP3. What's the answer?


Your parrot-speak is only further proving how dysfunctional and
pathetic you really are. Obviously you don't give a tinkers damn what
others do by way of hijacking and trashing your topics.

You obviously have not a clue as to what you and others are up
against.


LOL Goth claims to have a clue!





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your "balls" are just the atoms of "free space,"
index of refraction closer to one than air; I mean,
how else do you even bother to explain "electromagnetism?"

On Dec 7, 9:22*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 7, 12:16*pm, Brad Guth wrote:



And your nomination for that Nobel is on hold because???????

'Milky Way's halo more squished than spherical'http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34735679/ns/technology_and_science-space/...

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether. The
matter which would form the Milky Way was moving as it displaced the
aether. The aether displaced perpendicular to the major direction of
motion became the majority force of the displaced aether and forced
the matter into the disk. This resulted in the angular momentum of the
matter. It is the aether which is displaced outward relative to the
plane of the angular momentum which exerts force toward the center of
the Milky Way. This force, along with the state of displacement of the
aether as determined by the angular momentum of the Milky Way, forced
the matter closer together which resulted in the displaced aether
looking like a squished beach ball. Aether displacement explains how
the Milky Way was created, how the disk and halo formed and why the
rotational speed can not be accounted for by the mass of the matter of
the Milky Way itself.

Does any of this help:
http://www.orgonelab.org/energyinspace.htm

Can you add anything to the above link, such as where they are asking
for more feedback?

On Dec 8, 2:27*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 7, 9:22*am, mpc755 wrote:









On Dec 7, 12:16*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

And your nomination for that Nobel is on hold because???????

'Milky Way's halo more squished than spherical'http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34735679/ns/technology_and_science-space/...

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether. The
matter which would form the Milky Way was moving as it displaced the
aether. The aether displaced perpendicular to the major direction of
motion became the majority force of the displaced aether and forced
the matter into the disk. This resulted in the angular momentum of the
matter. It is the aether which is displaced outward relative to the
plane of the angular momentum which exerts force toward the center of
the Milky Way. This force, along with the state of displacement of the
aether as determined by the angular momentum of the Milky Way, forced
the matter closer together which resulted in the displaced aether
looking like a squished beach ball. Aether displacement explains how
the Milky Way was created, how the disk and halo formed and why the
rotational speed can not be accounted for by the mass of the matter of
the Milky Way itself.

Does any of this help:
*http://www.orgonelab.org/energyinspace.htm

Can you add anything to the above link, such as where they are asking
for more feedback?

That link refers to ether drift. Just as I'm not sure we can know if
aether consists of particles or not, I'm not sure we can know if the
ether drifts.

Watch the following video starting at 0:45 to see a visual
representation of the state of the aether. What is referred to as a
twist in spacetime is the state of displacement of the aether. What is
referred to as frame-dragging is the state of displacement of the
aether.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ITt44-EHE

The analogy is putting a mesh bag full of marbles into a supersolid
and spinning the bag of marbles. If you were unable to determine if
the superfluid consists of particles or not you would still be able to
detect the state of displacement of the supersolid.

The supersolid connected to and neighboring the mesh bag of marbles is
in the same state throughout the rotation of the bag in the
supersolid.

The aether connected to and neighboring the Earth is in the same
state, or almost the same state, throughout the Earth's rotation about
its axis and orbit of the Sun.

The state of which as determined by its connections with the Earth and
the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of
displacement of the aether.

On Dec 8, 5:32*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 8, 2:27*am, Brad Guth wrote:









On Dec 7, 9:22*am, mpc755 wrote:

On Dec 7, 12:16*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

And your nomination for that Nobel is on hold because???????

'Milky Way's halo more squished than spherical'http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34735679/ns/technology_and_science-space/...

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether. The
matter which would form the Milky Way was moving as it displaced the
aether. The aether displaced perpendicular to the major direction of
motion became the majority force of the displaced aether and forced
the matter into the disk. This resulted in the angular momentum of the
matter. It is the aether which is displaced outward relative to the
plane of the angular momentum which exerts force toward the center of
the Milky Way. This force, along with the state of displacement of the
aether as determined by the angular momentum of the Milky Way, forced
the matter closer together which resulted in the displaced aether
looking like a squished beach ball. Aether displacement explains how
the Milky Way was created, how the disk and halo formed and why the
rotational speed can not be accounted for by the mass of the matter of
the Milky Way itself.

Does any of this help:
*http://www.orgonelab.org/energyinspace.htm

Can you add anything to the above link, such as where they are asking
for more feedback?

That link refers to ether drift. Just as I'm not sure we can know if
aether consists of particles or not, I'm not sure we can know if the
ether drifts.

Watch the following video starting at 0:45 to see a visual
representation of the state of the aether. What is referred to as a
twist in spacetime is the state of displacement of the aether. What is
referred to as frame-dragging is the state of displacement of the
aether.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ITt44-EHE

The analogy is putting a mesh bag full of marbles into a supersolid
and spinning the bag of marbles. If you were unable to determine if
the superfluid consists of particles or not you would still be able to
detect the state of displacement of the supersolid.

The supersolid connected to and neighboring the mesh bag of marbles is
in the same state throughout the rotation of the bag in the
supersolid.

The aether connected to and neighboring the Earth is in the same
state, or almost the same state, throughout the Earth's rotation about
its axis and orbit of the Sun.

The state of which as determined by its connections with the Earth and
the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of
displacement of the aether.

Meanwhile, you can't manage to contribute any better context to this
link?
http://www.orgonelab.org/energyinspace.htm

Why not focus your interpretations of aether with those actually
looking at ether/aether considerations?

Can you get others on your side to come here, into alt.astronomy or
any other unmoderated public newsgroup?

On Dec 8, 4:41*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

Meanwhile, you can't manage to contribute any better context to this
link?
*http://www.orgonelab.org/energyinspace.htm


That link refers to ether drift. Just as I'm not sure we can know if
aether consists of particles or not, I'm not sure we can know if the
ether drifts.

Watch the following video starting at 0:45 to see a visual
representation of the state of the aether. What is referred to as a
twist in spacetime is the state of displacement of the aether. What is
referred to as frame-dragging is the state of displacement of the
aether.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ITt44-EHE

The analogy is putting a mesh bag full of marbles into a supersolid
and spinning the bag of marbles. If you were unable to determine if
the superfluid consists of particles or not you would still be able to
detect the state of displacement of the supersolid.

The supersolid connected to and neighboring the mesh bag of marbles is
in the same state throughout the rotation of the bag in the
supersolid.

The aether connected to and neighboring the Earth is in the same
state, or almost the same state, throughout the Earth's rotation about
its axis and orbit of the Sun.

The state of which as determined by its connections with the Earth and
the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of
displacement of the aether.

On Dec 8, 1:51*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 8, 4:41*pm, Brad Guth wrote:



Meanwhile, you can't manage to contribute any better context to this
link?
*http://www.orgonelab.org/energyinspace.htm

That link refers to ether drift. Just as I'm not sure we can know if
aether consists of particles or not, I'm not sure we can know if the
ether drifts.

Watch the following video starting at 0:45 to see a visual
representation of the state of the aether. What is referred to as a
twist in spacetime is the state of displacement of the aether. What is
referred to as frame-dragging is the state of displacement of the
aether.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ITt44-EHE

The analogy is putting a mesh bag full of marbles into a supersolid
and spinning the bag of marbles. If you were unable to determine if
the superfluid consists of particles or not you would still be able to
detect the state of displacement of the supersolid.

The supersolid connected to and neighboring the mesh bag of marbles is
in the same state throughout the rotation of the bag in the
supersolid.

The aether connected to and neighboring the Earth is in the same
state, or almost the same state, throughout the Earth's rotation about
its axis and orbit of the Sun.

The state of which as determined by its connections with the Earth and
the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of
displacement of the aether.

Are you somehow unable to work with anyone other than myself?

You do realize that I do not buy into everything that you claim aether
to be.

I suppose if I were to become independently wealthy enough, as such I
could share my resources with you and others attempting to make better
sense of our complex universe. Do you happen to know something about
my future?

On Dec 8, 5:02*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

Are you somehow unable to work with anyone other than myself?

You do realize that I do not buy into everything that you claim aether
to be.

I suppose if I were to become independently wealthy enough, as such I
could share my resources with you and others attempting to make better
sense of our complex universe. *Do you happen to know something about
my future?

"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory
of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium
when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such
medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative
connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association
with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped
of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most
physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually
says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading
the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic
symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time
relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began
showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure
similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent
studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand
that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian
emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but
can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a
part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day
by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this
because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics,
endowed chair in physics, Stanford University

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is
unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation
of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space
and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time
intervals in the physical sense." - Albert Einstein

The relativistic ether referred to by Laughlin is the ether which
propagates light referred to by Einstein

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 14:02:52 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
wrote:

On Dec 8, 1:51*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 8, 4:41*pm, Brad Guth wrote:



Meanwhile, you can't manage to contribute any better context to this
link?
*http://www.orgonelab.org/energyinspace.htm

That link refers to ether drift. Just as I'm not sure we can know if
aether consists of particles or not, I'm not sure we can know if the
ether drifts.

Watch the following video starting at 0:45 to see a visual
representation of the state of the aether. What is referred to as a
twist in spacetime is the state of displacement of the aether. What is
referred to as frame-dragging is the state of displacement of the
aether.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ITt44-EHE

The analogy is putting a mesh bag full of marbles into a supersolid
and spinning the bag of marbles. If you were unable to determine if
the superfluid consists of particles or not you would still be able to
detect the state of displacement of the supersolid.

The supersolid connected to and neighboring the mesh bag of marbles is
in the same state throughout the rotation of the bag in the
supersolid.

The aether connected to and neighboring the Earth is in the same
state, or almost the same state, throughout the Earth's rotation about
its axis and orbit of the Sun.

The state of which as determined by its connections with the Earth and
the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of
displacement of the aether.

Are you somehow unable to work with anyone other than myself?

You do realize that I do not buy into everything that you claim aether
to be.

I suppose if I were to become independently wealthy enough, as such I
could share my resources with you and others attempting to make better
sense of our complex universe. Do you happen to know something about
my future?


I checked my xtal ball, Brad, and it showed a really beautiful,
gorgeous lady in your near future.

Yeah, it surprised me, too! lol!


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On 8 Dic, 23:23, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 8, 5:02*pm, Brad Guth wrote:



Are you somehow unable to work with anyone other than myself?

You do realize that I do not buy into everything that you claim aether
to be.

I suppose if I were to become independently wealthy enough, as such I
could share my resources with you and others attempting to make better
sense of our complex universe. *Do you happen to know something about
my future?

"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory
of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium
when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such
medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative
connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association
with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped
of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most
physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually
says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading
the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic
symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time
relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began
showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure
similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent
studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand
that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian
emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but
can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a
part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day
by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this
because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics,
endowed chair in physics, Stanford University

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is
unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation
of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space
and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time
intervals in the physical sense." - Albert Einstein

The relativistic ether referred to by Laughlin is the ether which
propagates light referred to by Einstein

Thanking to your patient insistence I finally understood what I was
measuring.
Because I made an electromagnetic interferometer since 2007 and from
that date I measured vertically a Doppler effect of wavefronts (not of
frequency) *, very difficult to interpretate...
* see my pdf
http://www.scribd.com/doc/114076563/...oppler-Applied

The experiment is here described:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/114161991/Eolotropy

Finally I understood that: if our galaxy is immersed in a dark matter
ball, then the wave medium is dark matter, and not the free space
ether as thought Maxwell,( and for this Michelson did'nt show
interferences in horizontal plane.
But Grusenick shown that vertically, and I with microwaves measured
the escape speed as logical , because dark matter has a mass, ) I
MEASURE THE DARK MATTER!
http://youtu.be/8UevWmexiCk

Thank you, MYSTERIOUS mr. mpc755!
please , contact me.