A human Mars mission?

"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:48:47 GMT, in a place far, far away, Michael
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I get tired of repetition after awhile.

You are paranoid about France and Germany.

No, I'm realistic.

About what?

I actually find it hard to believe if you have ever left the US.

"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:59:20 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Dave
O'Neill" dave @ NOSPAM atomicrazor . com made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Never explicitly, as far as I know, but it seems pretty obvious to me.
If it wasn't a goal, it's certainly a happy side effect. The nutballs
now seem to be pouring into Iraq from all sides, making it easier to
find and kill them there, rather than waiting for them to come here.

You think that's a feature?

Absolutely.

You're also continuing this delusion that you're going to be able to kill
them all.

We don't have to kill them all, just enough so eventually the rest
will get discouraged, but yes, if they want to send them all, we have
sufficient ammunition for the purpose.

Which is working so well in Israel.

"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:26:22 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Dave
O'Neill" dave @ NOSPAM atomicrazor . com made the phosphor on my
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As Condi Rice and others said repeatedly at the time, we know what
disarming countries look like. We had the examples of, among
others,
the Ukraine and South Africa. They would take us to their stashes,
and show documentation of their storage, and in cases where things
had
been destroyed, their destruction. Saddam continued to lie and
obfuscate, and play shell games with inspectors, making it appear to
any rational person that he had no intention of disarming..

Let me see. Saddam kept claiming he didn't have WMD and we have
not been able to find them. He was caught with some over-range
capability ballistic missiles that were being destroyed before the
war.

Slowly, to buy time in hope that his buddy Chirac would bail him out.

Your paranoia is showing through.

laughing

You obviously weren't paying attention.

To what? The French complaining that the decision to invade was taken
before the diplomacy was finished?

Looking pretty sane to me right now.

"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:05:28 +0100, in a place far, far away, Ian
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Rand Simberg wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:14:29 +0100, in a place far, far away, Ian
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Trouble is the term 'astrology' is well-defined too.

No, it's not.

It's exactly as well defined as 'WMD'.

No, it's not.

I've met Astrologers, they're pretty comitted people - of course they ought
to be but that is a different story.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:44:26 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Dave
O'Neill" dave @ NOSPAM atomicrazor . com made the phosphor on my
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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:48:47 GMT, in a place far, far away, Michael
Walsh made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:


I get tired of repetition after awhile.

You are paranoid about France and Germany.

No, I'm realistic.

About what?

About Chirac's corruption, and love of dictators.

I actually find it hard to believe if you have ever left the US.

??

What does this mean?

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On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:49:22 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Dave
O'Neill" dave @ NOSPAM atomicrazor . com made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Slowly, to buy time in hope that his buddy Chirac would bail him out.

Your paranoia is showing through.

laughing

You obviously weren't paying attention.

To what? The French complaining that the decision to invade was taken
before the diplomacy was finished?

This had nothing to do with diplomacy being finished. It had
everything to do with an obvious desire on the part of Chirac (and
perhaps Schroeder as well) to keep Saddam in power indefinitely.

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On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:47:19 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Dave
O'Neill" dave @ NOSPAM atomicrazor . com made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Never explicitly, as far as I know, but it seems pretty obvious to me.
If it wasn't a goal, it's certainly a happy side effect. The nutballs
now seem to be pouring into Iraq from all sides, making it easier to
find and kill them there, rather than waiting for them to come here.

You think that's a feature?

Absolutely.

You're also continuing this delusion that you're going to be able to kill
them all.

We don't have to kill them all, just enough so eventually the rest
will get discouraged, but yes, if they want to send them all, we have
sufficient ammunition for the purpose.

Which is working so well in Israel.

Israel hasn't been allowed to do it. It actually worked quite well
for Jordan back in the early 1970s.

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On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:50:43 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Dave
O'Neill" dave @ NOSPAM atomicrazor . com made the phosphor on my
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Trouble is the term 'astrology' is well-defined too.

No, it's not.

It's exactly as well defined as 'WMD'.

No, it's not.

I've met Astrologers, they're pretty comitted people - of course they ought
to be but that is a different story.

That doesn't mean that astrology is "well defined." Of course, it's a
nonsensical and meaningless comparison anyway.

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(Christopher) wrote:

It's only happened once in this millennium...

["It" being widespread failure of electrical power distribution]

True, but unless your congress or whoever free up the $'s to replace
the 1950's network with a modern distribution grid it'll happen again,
remember we have winter coming along and American winters are more
severe for 80 million Americans then British winters.

Electric demand in the affected area is higher in the summer than in the
winter. Air conditioning is a major use of electricity. Electric heat is
not so common.

Mike Combs wrote:
Christopher wrote:

But we evolved in a 1 g field, and
its our natural g environment.

Which to me suggests that rotating to simulate a full 1-G environment is better
than going down a steep gravity well just to get a fraction of the G we
actually need.

Well, being able to fly on attachable wings would be quite neat and draw in
lots of tourists.

Metal gets stressed, and constant exposour to the changing temp of
sunlight and then the cold of space isn't healthy as the structure
rotates. On Mars the temp is predictable and more tolerable depening
where on the martian surface you base you base... the equtorial temp
region on Mars can be as high as 80f in high summer.

This is one of the more sensible objections that you've raised thus far.
Still, engineering experts working on more than one NASA study seemed to feel
that habitats could be engineered to last a century or two. I don't see any
reason to assume they knew less about it than anyone else.

I womder, if one could use a good heat conductor as a skin
followed by an insulator to reduce the effect? That is, you would
trade the relatively more frequent repairs to skin for less effect
to the structure overall...

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Sander

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