revisiting Apollo

And the empty blather repeats... be sure and send him some money!
So he can afford to do this too:
URL:http://brainsluice.tripod.com/moonlanding.html

"NJ" wrote in message
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THE APOLLO HOAX FAQ version 4.3 - July 2004

David A. Smith

"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:babKc.2993$Wv4.2764@okepread03...
And the empty blather repeats... be sure and send him some money!
So he can afford to do this too:
URL:http://brainsluice.tripod.com/moonlanding.html

Luckily I have saved a copy of the original
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...onLanding.html
and I don't allow the FBI to tamper with my site!
HA!

Dirk Vdm

"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:babKc.2993$Wv4.2764@okepread03...
And the empty blather repeats... be sure and send him some money!
So he can afford to do this too:
URL:http://brainsluice.tripod.com/moonlanding.html

Luckily I have saved a copy of the original
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...onLanding.html
and I don't allow the FBI to tamper with my site!
HA!

Dirk Vdm

"NJ" wrote in message
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THE APOLLO HOAX FAQ version 4.3 - July 2004
I would remind the reader that It's up to scientists and
claimants of this or that fact to provide proof of their claims.
That's how it works in science and to do this scientists use
something called "the scientific method". When they are done
presenting their case anyone may examine it for errors and
so forth. If we find flaws or errors in their method or in the
results of their scientific work then we may call in to question
the validity of their claims. It's just not up to us to prove
that man did or did not walk on the Moon. We are only to show that
the evidence as presented to us is faulty, contrived or in some
way unrepresentative of what we know and we may then throw the
evidence out.

No. The claim that "Man Went To The Moon" is not a scientific claim; it's an
historical claim. Historians can only decide the validity of an historical
assertion; for instance "Edward VIII abdicated the British throne" by
weighing the evidence for and against- but there is no scientific way to
absolutely confirm or deny its truth, since it's history, it has been and
gone, there is no experiment that others can repeat.

Personally, I believe that Edward VIII abdicated the British throne, but I
have no personal proof that he did so, or even that he existed. There is
much documentary evidence which agrees that he did. Older family members
remember it being reported in the newspapers. There is newsreel footage of
this supposed king, and of the situation surrounding his abdication. But it
is possible that he never existed; that all the newsreels were faked, that
the press was seeded with stories about this imaginary king and his
imaginary abdication, for some secret reason known only to the British
establishment. But that is enormously unlikely. The conspiracy would have
had to have been huge. Further, had it been discovered, the resulting
fallout for the British ruling classes would have been catastrophic.

Likewise, the "Moon Hoax". This immense supposed conspiracy is enormously
unlikely. Again, the fallout from its discovery would have been catastrophic
for the US; and remember, the USSR would hardly have helped a cover-up. It
is very very very slightly possible; on the grounds that just about any
historical event could be a manufactured hoax- but since all evidence
available is consistent with a genuine moon landing having occurred, we must
conclude that it happened.

If nothing else, bear in mind that if there were really flaws in NASA's
portrayal of the science of the missions, e.g. the hazard from radiation,
the US's fierce rivals the USSR, which was jam-packed with world-class
physicists and aerospace engineers with access to scads of their own
independent data on the space environment from their own space programme,
would have wasted no time in debunking the whole thing.

Which they didn't. Unless they were in on it too, and the whole "Cold War"
was a sham, and....

Ian

"NJ" wrote in message
ll.eu.org...
THE APOLLO HOAX FAQ version 4.3 - July 2004
I would remind the reader that It's up to scientists and
claimants of this or that fact to provide proof of their claims.
That's how it works in science and to do this scientists use
something called "the scientific method". When they are done
presenting their case anyone may examine it for errors and
so forth. If we find flaws or errors in their method or in the
results of their scientific work then we may call in to question
the validity of their claims. It's just not up to us to prove
that man did or did not walk on the Moon. We are only to show that
the evidence as presented to us is faulty, contrived or in some
way unrepresentative of what we know and we may then throw the
evidence out.

No. The claim that "Man Went To The Moon" is not a scientific claim; it's an
historical claim. Historians can only decide the validity of an historical
assertion; for instance "Edward VIII abdicated the British throne" by
weighing the evidence for and against- but there is no scientific way to
absolutely confirm or deny its truth, since it's history, it has been and
gone, there is no experiment that others can repeat.

Personally, I believe that Edward VIII abdicated the British throne, but I
have no personal proof that he did so, or even that he existed. There is
much documentary evidence which agrees that he did. Older family members
remember it being reported in the newspapers. There is newsreel footage of
this supposed king, and of the situation surrounding his abdication. But it
is possible that he never existed; that all the newsreels were faked, that
the press was seeded with stories about this imaginary king and his
imaginary abdication, for some secret reason known only to the British
establishment. But that is enormously unlikely. The conspiracy would have
had to have been huge. Further, had it been discovered, the resulting
fallout for the British ruling classes would have been catastrophic.

Likewise, the "Moon Hoax". This immense supposed conspiracy is enormously
unlikely. Again, the fallout from its discovery would have been catastrophic
for the US; and remember, the USSR would hardly have helped a cover-up. It
is very very very slightly possible; on the grounds that just about any
historical event could be a manufactured hoax- but since all evidence
available is consistent with a genuine moon landing having occurred, we must
conclude that it happened.

If nothing else, bear in mind that if there were really flaws in NASA's
portrayal of the science of the missions, e.g. the hazard from radiation,
the US's fierce rivals the USSR, which was jam-packed with world-class
physicists and aerospace engineers with access to scads of their own
independent data on the space environment from their own space programme,
would have wasted no time in debunking the whole thing.

Which they didn't. Unless they were in on it too, and the whole "Cold War"
was a sham, and....

Ian

Dear Dirk Van de moortel:

"Dirk Van de moortel" wrote
in message ...

"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in
message news:babKc.2993$Wv4.2764@okepread03...
And the empty blather repeats... be sure and send him some money!
So he can afford to do this too:
URL:http://brainsluice.tripod.com/moonlanding.html

Luckily I have saved a copy of the original
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...onLanding.html
and I don't allow the FBI to tamper with my site!

Thanks! I have marked this as a favorite.

David A. Smith

Dear Dirk Van de moortel:

"Dirk Van de moortel" wrote
in message ...

"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in
message news:babKc.2993$Wv4.2764@okepread03...
And the empty blather repeats... be sure and send him some money!
So he can afford to do this too:
URL:http://brainsluice.tripod.com/moonlanding.html

Luckily I have saved a copy of the original
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...onLanding.html
and I don't allow the FBI to tamper with my site!

Thanks! I have marked this as a favorite.

David A. Smith

"CeeBee" wrote in message
.84...
"Jaxtraw" wrote in sci.astro:

snip

I really shouldn't add to this kind of threads, but recently I heard a
nice description of people obsessed with Moon hoax theories; their
behaviour was called "cultural vandalism".

They're the people feeling the need to scratch their names like in
objects of arts, historical buildings or landmark scientific
performances of human civilization.

Lacking any capability to contribute anything themselves they try to
damage the amazing performance of others with their imprint, with the
idea that hiking with truly gifted makes the hitchhiking vandal a bit
gifted too.

To give us a sad reminder of the fact that there are gifted people and
people without any gifts at all. It may sound as if they're despicable
weren't their behaviour so sad and pityful.

--

I'm reminded of a quote I read recently (tho sadly I can't remember who its
originator is )

"The jealous man believes that if his neighbour breaks his leg, he will walk
better himself".

Ian

"CeeBee" wrote in message
.84...
"Jaxtraw" wrote in sci.astro:

snip

I really shouldn't add to this kind of threads, but recently I heard a
nice description of people obsessed with Moon hoax theories; their
behaviour was called "cultural vandalism".

They're the people feeling the need to scratch their names like in
objects of arts, historical buildings or landmark scientific
performances of human civilization.

Lacking any capability to contribute anything themselves they try to
damage the amazing performance of others with their imprint, with the
idea that hiking with truly gifted makes the hitchhiking vandal a bit
gifted too.

To give us a sad reminder of the fact that there are gifted people and
people without any gifts at all. It may sound as if they're despicable
weren't their behaviour so sad and pityful.

--

I'm reminded of a quote I read recently (tho sadly I can't remember who its
originator is )

"The jealous man believes that if his neighbour breaks his leg, he will walk
better himself".

Ian

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:38:37 +0100, "Jaxtraw"
wrote:

No. The claim that "Man Went To The Moon" is not a scientific claim; it's an
historical claim. Historians can only decide the validity of an historical
assertion; for instance "Edward VIII abdicated the British throne"

You have confused a `claim' with an historical fact. As a witness to
both events, there is absolutely no doubt as to the facts. In addition
there is an historic coincidence often over looked: the Moon landing
and first walk - the culmination of a dream proposed by John F.
Kennedy occurring almost on the same day as the culmination and abrupt
termination of hopes of his brother for political advancement after an
orgy on Chappaquidock Island. The successful moon walk was followed
closely by several other missions. All are documented in detail. As
was the failure of Apollo13.
The abdication of Edward VIII in order to marry an American divorcee
followed several months of scandal and constitutional crisis in the
UK. His abdication was demanded by parliament despite urgent attempts
by the PM to save him. He was a rather weak character with nazi
sympathies, so it all came out for the better. I believe he ultimately
settled in France and is buried there. His abdication was the only
noteworthy event in his life.