Why Conservatives Should Vote for Kerry

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:52:44 +0200, in a place far, far away, "Tamas
Feher" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

gives you an idiot like Clinton

What's your problem with Clinton? The USA was in much better shape by
the time he left the Oral Office. The Clinton-Gore decade was a golden
era for America. He will be in history as a great President. He created
a truly 21st century USA, which GWB-Cheney-Rumsfeldmarsall sorrowfully
rolled back to 1984.

You're living in a fantasy land. His administration left us with a
recession as a result of the popping of the dot.com bubble, and laid
the groundwork for the attacks of September 11. That will be his
legacy.

h (Rand Simberg) wrote:

"Tamas Feher" made

gives you an idiot like Clinton

What's your problem with Clinton? The USA was in much better shape by
the time he left the Oral Office. The Clinton-Gore decade was a golden
era for America. He will be in history as a great President. He created
a truly 21st century USA, which GWB-Cheney-Rumsfeldmarsall sorrowfully
rolled back to 1984.

You're living in a fantasy land. His administration left us with a
recession as a result of the popping of the dot.com bubble, and laid
the groundwork for the attacks of September 11. That will be his legacy.

The 1990s in the U.S. were as good economically as they were because of
the "peace dividend" that resulted from the 1991 end of the Cold War,
and it was presidents Ronald Reagan and GHW Bush that pushed the
policies that defeated the Soviet Union.

Clinton inherited that legacy, and himself did little more than party.

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Steven P. McNicoll ) wrote:

: "Eric Chomko" wrote in message
: ...
: Steven P. McNicoll ) wrote:
:
: : "Karl Johanson" wrote in message
: : news:EpHfd.40630$Pl.970@pd7tw1no...
: :
: : That definition is obsolete. In American politics today liberal
: means
: : socialist.
: :
: :
: : Sure it does. He he.
: :
:
: : It does. But don't take my word for it, visit America and see for
: yourself.
:
:
: Yes go to our national parks like the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone and
: Yosemite and see the evil socialism at work. Oh and then go to Las Vegas
: and see capitalism at its finest. Don't miss the light and water shows,
: and don't gamble away your kid's college fund.
:

: The US national parks predate modern liberalism.

So?

: Yellowstone was the first
: National Park, established in 1872. The Republicans were in power.

Teddy Rooselevlt was a liberal. He left the Republican Party and help form
the Bull Moose Party.

The Republican Party you want to ignore is the one in which Harding was
president.

Eric

Steven P. McNicoll ) wrote:

: "Jon" wrote in message
: om...
:
: 1. Bush is no Conservative.
:
:
: True, but not a reason to vote for Kerry.
:
:
: The reason to vote for Kerry is that a Republican congress will put a
: close leash on a Democratic president, but will let a Republican
: president go hog-wild at the trough.
:
: Bush spent his first term on an incredible spending spree, and if
: Kerry can keep the Republican congress away from pork-barrel spending
: give-aways, that sounds like a winner.
:

: It's a loser. While a Republican Congress can keep Kerry from driving up
: spending it cannot force him to effectively prosecute the war against
: terrorists.

Like Bush has done anything great WRT terrorism. 9/11 happened on Bush's
watch! There is no proof that 9/11 would have happened while Gore was
president. None! You "repsonsibility party" types ought to try it some
time.

Eric

Steven P. McNicoll ) wrote:

: "Karl Johanson" wrote in message
: news:CUXfd.47387$Pl.24890@pd7tw1no...
: "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
: news:2%Ufd.9665
:
: : That definition is obsolete. In American politics today liberal
: means socialist.
: :
: : Sure it does. He he.
: :
: : It does. But don't take my word for it, visit America and see for
: yourself.
:
: Yes go to our national parks like the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone and
: Yosemite and see the evil socialism at work. Oh and then go to Las
: Vegas
: and see capitalism at its finest. Don't miss the light and water shows,
: and don't gamble away your kid's college fund.
:
:
: The US national parks predate modern liberalism. Yellowstone was the
: first
: National Park, established in 1872. The Republicans were in power.
:
: So, the Republicans practice socialism (still do); that's as obvious as
: gravity. Socialized parks (as above), roads, schools, hospitals, mail
: service, sewers, water supplies, space programs, research institutes,
: electricity, street lighting, police services, court services, military
: systems, etc. All sorts of socialism in the US, from Republicans and
: Democrats & from 'liberals' and 'conservatives'.
:
: Republicans are somewhat socialist, but 'Republican' doesn't mean
: 'socialist'. Some who are liberal are somewhat socialist, but that doesn't
: mean that 'liberal' means 'socialist'.
:
: Karl Johanson
:
: Come on all you socialists lets sing socialist songs.
: Because we're all socialists they don't have to rhyme.
:

: What is obvious is that you don't understand socialism, Republicans, or US
: politics. I doubt you ever will.

And based upon your premise: Democrat = Socialist, you don't either.

Fred J. McCall ) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) wrote:

: :Steven P. McNicoll ) wrote:
: ::
: :: That definition is obsolete. In American politics today liberal means
: :: socialist.
: :
: :By that logic, then conservative means facist.

: Not even close. The fascists were socialists too, you silly git.

The way the military is revered in this country by the GOP, it all fits!

Eric

: --
: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
: man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
: all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
: --George Bernard Shaw

Fred J. McCall ) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) wrote:

: :Yes go to our national parks like the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone and
: :Yosemite and see the evil socialism at work.

: No, you need to go to the inner city for that.

Yes, I have been to several Eurpoean inner cities and NEVER felt as
threatened as in one in the US. Have you?

: :Oh and then go to Las Vegas
: :and see capitalism at its finest. Don't miss the light and water shows,

: Been there. Done that. I wouldn't say 'at its finest' but its
: certainly prettier than South Central LA.

I was being sarcastic as many conservatives have trouble with the "Sin
City" aspect of LV but not the capitialism. Let's just say that LV
confuses them. Ask William Bennett!

: :and don't gamble away your kid's college fund.

: No kids, so no problem. If there were kids I could probably just pay
: cash, so that's no problem, either.

No kids and seemingly clueless about how they get paid for as well. Oh
well, how can I fault someone's parenting skills when they are not a
parent?

Eric

: --
: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
: man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
: all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
: --George Bernard Shaw

Steven P. McNicoll ) wrote:

: "Henry Spencer" wrote in message
: ...
:
: It's worth remembering that the Republicans were then the party of the
: downtrodden working man, and the Democrats were more or less aligned with
: big business and the establishment. (Caution, I oversimplify.)
:

: You're not oversimplifying, you're wrong. The Democrats were dominant in
: the south.

....which was conservative. The Republicans, like Roosevelt, were the
liberals. The term Dixiecrat, which indicated a transition of party, was
reserved for the Democrats from the south that were still conservative
after the party tended to go liberal.

Eric

Steven P. McNicoll ) wrote:

: "Karl Johanson" wrote in message
: news:LJ_fd.48833$Pl.45939@pd7tw1no...
:
: What is obvious is that you don't understand socialism, Republicans, or
: US
: politics. I doubt you ever will.
:
:
: I suppose, like 'liberal', you have meanings for those words which have
: noth
: ing to do with their definitions as well. So no, I don't know what random
: meanings you use for those words, and I also doubt I ever will.
:

: They're not my meanings, they're the meanings of those terms as they are
: used in American politics.

Or, they're your interpretation of the meanings of those terms used in
American politics.

Eric

Steven P. McNicoll ) wrote:

: "Rand Simberg" wrote in message
: ...
: On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:21:04 GMT, in a place far, far away, Fred J.
: McCall made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
: such a way as to indicate that:
:
: :If you think being a conservative means voting for big government
: :entitlement programs for every special interest group, a complicated
: :tax code, trade barriers and concessions to big labor... I supose then
: :you'd be right.
:
: Well, give that last paragraph of yours, what is it you think KERRY
: offers again?
:
: Kerry offers a presidency that a Republican congress won't roll over
: for. It's not that Kerry has any better ideas (almost all of them are
: worse), but with a Republican congress, he won't be able to implement
: them. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to understand that we are war,
: or with whom, so it's not sufficient reason to install him.
:

: Bingo! At least somebody understands.

If you're agreeing with Rand on politics, you lose...

Eric