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On Oct 23, 1:40*am, "Matt Wiser" wrote:
Big problem for anti-SLS types: NO political support. There's a grand total of one congresscritter who's on record as opposing SLS: Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA). And his motives are not entirely pu Space X has a facility in his district, and there's several commercial space outfits with facilities in SoCal, and no doubt some of his constitutents work at those firms. Nice try, though.... Unlike many supporters of commercial space I'm neutral on the question of the SLS. My view is that commercial space will go on whether or not the SLS is funded. Also, in an upcoming blog post I'll discuss that the very first versions of the SLS scheduled to launch in 2017 will be able to launch manned lunar missions. Bob Clark |
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On Oct 23, 1:16*pm, Matt Wiser wrote:
On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:54:26 AM UTC-7, Robert Clark wrote: On Oct 23, 1:40*am, "Matt Wiser" wrote: Big problem for anti-SLS types: NO political support. There's a grand total of one congresscritter who's on record as opposing SLS: Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA). And his motives are not entirely pu Space X has a facility in his district, and there's several commercial space outfits with facilities in SoCal, and no doubt some of his constitutents work at those firms. Nice try, though.... *Unlike many supporters of commercial space I'm neutral on the question of the SLS. My view is that commercial space will go on whether or not the SLS is funded. *Also, in an upcoming blog post I'll discuss that the very first versions of the SLS scheduled to launch in 2017 will be able to launch manned lunar missions. * Bob Clark Which *is something that NASA intends to to: The first human Orion/SLS mission will be Lunar Orbit. Maybe two or three lunar orbit flights of longer duration before going to L-2 or this President's precious NEO mission. I'm still a "Moon First" type, though.. After I wrote that post, I realized I left out a key word: with the first launch of the SLS in 2017 we will have the capability to launch manned LANDER lunar missions. This will be important since it will provide an important, definite mission for the SLS from the very first launch. The SLS has been called a "rocket to nowhere". That in fact it will have the capability to return us to the Moon from the very first launch will be an important point to promote its continued funding. Likely this first launch in 2017 will serve as an unmanned test mission to show the cryogenic space stages can safely land and take off from the lunar service with a human-qualified capsule. But certainly by 2019 we will be able to do the crewed missions, on the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11. Bob Clark |
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On Oct 25, 3:27*am, Robert Clark wrote:
On Oct 23, 1:16*pm, Matt Wiser wrote: On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:54:26 AM UTC-7, Robert Clark wrote: On Oct 23, 1:40*am, "Matt Wiser" wrote: Big problem for anti-SLS types: NO political support. There's a grand total of one congresscritter who's on record as opposing SLS: Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA). And his motives are not entirely pu Space X has a facility in his district, and there's several commercial space outfits with facilities in SoCal, and no doubt some of his constitutents work at those firms. Nice try, though.... *Unlike many supporters of commercial space I'm neutral on the question of the SLS. My view is that commercial space will go on whether or not the SLS is funded. *Also, in an upcoming blog post I'll discuss that the very first versions of the SLS scheduled to launch in 2017 will be able to launch manned lunar missions. * Bob Clark Which *is something that NASA intends to to: The first human Orion/SLS mission will *be Lunar Orbit. Maybe two or three lunar orbit flights of longer duration before going *to L-2 or this President's precious NEO mission. I'm still a "Moon First" type, though.. *After I wrote that post, I realized I left out a key word: with the first launch of the SLS in 2017 we will have the capability to launch manned LANDER lunar missions. This will be important since it will provide an important, definite mission for the SLS from the very first launch. The SLS has been called a "rocket to nowhere". That in fact it will have the capability to return us to the Moon from the very first launch will be an important point to promote its continued funding. *Likely this first launch in 2017 will serve as an unmanned test mission to show the cryogenic space stages can safely land and take off from the lunar service with a human-qualified capsule. But certainly by 2019 we will be able to do the crewed missions, on the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11. * *Bob Clark so wheres the money? unless theres a BIG BUDGET INCREASE for nasa, there will be little or no $$$$ for missions, and at best one SLS launch per year? bob clark seriously how will such a expensive program be funded given the economic realties we face today? |
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On Oct 25, 8:36*am, bob haller wrote:
... *Unlike many supporters of commercial space I'm neutral on the question of the SLS. My view is that commercial space will go on whether or not the SLS is funded. *Also, in an upcoming blog post I'll discuss that the very first versions of the SLS scheduled to launch in 2017 will be able to launch manned lunar missions. * Bob Clark Which *is something that NASA intends to to: The first human Orion/SLS mission will *be Lunar Orbit. Maybe two or three lunar orbit flights of longer duration before going *to L-2 or this President's precious NEO mission. I'm still a "Moon First" type, though.. *After I wrote that post, I realized I left out a key word: with the first launch of the SLS in 2017 we will have the capability to launch manned LANDER lunar missions. This will be important since it will provide an important, definite mission for the SLS from the very first launch. The SLS has been called a "rocket to nowhere". That in fact it will have the capability to return us to the Moon from the very first launch will be an important point to promote its continued funding. *Likely this first launch in 2017 will serve as an unmanned test mission to show the cryogenic space stages can safely land and take off from the lunar service with a human-qualified capsule. But certainly by 2019 we will be able to do the crewed missions, on the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11. * *Bob Clark so wheres the money? unless theres a BIG BUDGET INCREASE for nasa, there will be little or no $$$$ for missions, and at best one SLS launch per year? bob clark seriously how will such a expensive program be funded given the economic realties we face today? It depends on whether or not SLS is funded. But if the SLS can perform a manned lunar landing mission as early as 2017 that would provide a big boost to justifying its funding. Key also is the additional cost to making the lander mission is comparatively small in comparison to the, admittedly large, cost of the SLS. The basis would be the Early Lunar Access proposal of the early 90's: Lunar Base Studies in the 1990s. 1993: Early Lunar Access (ELA). by Marcus Lindroos http://www.nss.org/settlement/moon/ELA.html (Note a typo on this page: the payload adapter mass should be 2,000 kg instead of 6,000 kg.) This was a billion dollar mission proposal but the estimated cost was 1/10th that of Apollo. But quite key to note is the fact that most of this cost was due to the modifications that would have had to be made to the shuttle's SRB's and/or external tank, and to the Titan IV launcher suggested to be used at that time, as well as for the launch costs. The added cost of the cryogenic space stages and the capsule was comparatively small. So too would be the case here. Bob Clark |
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"Robert Clark" wrote in message
... On Oct 23, 1:16 pm, Matt Wiser wrote: On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:54:26 AM UTC-7, Robert Clark wrote: On Oct 23, 1:40 am, "Matt Wiser" wrote: Big problem for anti-SLS types: NO political support. There's a grand total of one congresscritter who's on record as opposing SLS: Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA). And his motives are not entirely pu Space X has a facility in his district, and there's several commercial space outfits with facilities in SoCal, and no doubt some of his constitutents work at those firms. Nice try, though.... Unlike many supporters of commercial space I'm neutral on the question of the SLS. My view is that commercial space will go on whether or not the SLS is funded. Also, in an upcoming blog post I'll discuss that the very first versions of the SLS scheduled to launch in 2017 will be able to launch manned lunar missions. Bob Clark Which is something that NASA intends to to: The first human Orion/SLS mission will be Lunar Orbit. Maybe two or three lunar orbit flights of longer duration before going to L-2 or this President's precious NEO mission. I'm still a "Moon First" type, though.. After I wrote that post, I realized I left out a key word: with the first launch of the SLS in 2017 we will have the capability to launch manned LANDER lunar missions. This will be important since it will provide an important, definite mission for the SLS from the very first launch. The SLS has been called a "rocket to nowhere". That in fact it will have the capability to return us to the Moon from the very first launch will be an important point to promote its continued funding. The key word there is "capability". Unfortunately there's really no real drive or mission beyond platitudes to do so. So it's still a rocket to nowhere that can do something no one really wants to be pay for (monetarily or polically). Likely this first launch in 2017 will serve as an unmanned test mission to show the cryogenic space stages can safely land and take off from the lunar service with a human-qualified capsule. But certainly by 2019 we will be able to do the crewed missions, on the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11. Able to do in 7 years? We're not even building any hardware to get there. In 1962 we had firmer plans than now. And we were in a rush then. So it's still a rocket o nowhere. Bob Clark -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net |
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On Oct 26, 10:13*pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote: "Robert Clark" *wrote in message ... On Oct 23, 1:16 pm, Matt Wiser wrote: On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:54:26 AM UTC-7, Robert Clark wrote: On Oct 23, 1:40 am, "Matt Wiser" wrote: Big problem for anti-SLS types: NO political support. There's a grand total of one congresscritter who's on record as opposing SLS: Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA). And his motives are not entirely pu Space X has a facility in his district, and there's several commercial space outfits with facilities in SoCal, and no doubt some of his constitutents work at those firms. Nice try, though.... *Unlike many supporters of commercial space I'm neutral on the question of the SLS. My view is that commercial space will go on whether or not the SLS is funded. *Also, in an upcoming blog post I'll discuss that the very first versions of the SLS scheduled to launch in 2017 will be able to launch manned lunar missions. * Bob Clark Which *is something that NASA intends to to: The first human Orion/SLS mission will *be Lunar Orbit. Maybe two or three lunar orbit flights of longer duration before going *to L-2 or this President's precious NEO mission. I'm still a "Moon First" type, though.. After I wrote that post, I realized I left out a key word: with the first launch of the SLS in 2017 we will have the capability to launch manned LANDER lunar missions. This will be important since it will provide an important, definite mission for the SLS from the very first launch. The SLS has been called a "rocket to nowhere". That in fact it will have the capability to return us to the Moon from the very first launch will be an important point to promote its continued funding. The key word there is "capability". *Unfortunately there's really no real drive or mission beyond platitudes to do so. So it's still a rocket to nowhere that can do something no one really wants to be pay for (monetarily or polically). Likely this first launch in 2017 will serve as an unmanned test mission to show the cryogenic space stages can safely land and take off from the lunar service with a human-qualified capsule. But certainly by 2019 we will be able to do the crewed missions, on the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11. Able to do in 7 years? *We're not even building any hardware to get there. In 1962 we had firmer plans than now. *And we were in a rush then. So it's still a rocket o nowhere. * Bob Clark -- Greg D. Moore * * * * * * * * *http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses.http://www.quicr.net yep rocket to no where, describes it perfectly..... pork pig squeals with delight. |
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