Dark matter gets the boot again

On a sunny day (Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:36:18 -0500) it happened Lofty Goat
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:00:06 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Dark-matter hope fades in microwave haze:
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...k-matter-hope-
fades-in-microwave-haze

All this is really saying is that an anomalous source of microwaves isn't
caused by axions (or whatever the hell they're called) annihilating. It
doesn't say there's no dark matter. -- Goat

What it REALLY is saying is that an other so called 'proof' of dark matter has been falsified.
More to follow.

The whole 'dark matter' **** started by observing the speed anomaly of the outer spiral arms of galaxies.
Of course those speeds do not match orbital speeds, because those arms are
not 'in orbit', it is spit out matter from the central core of the galaxy (like a garden sprinkler).
Until astrophysicks lets go of the current concept (alias flat earth,
or exactly what it is not), every silly theory build by constructing
'dark matter', 'dark force', Dart Vader etc, will be one by one shot down and booted out the door.

Hey that felt good.

Dear Jan Panteltje:

On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:49:05 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
....
What it REALLY is saying is that an other so
called 'proof' of dark matter has been falsified.

More to follow.

The whole 'dark matter' **** started by observing
the speed anomaly of the outer spiral arms of
galaxies. Of course those speeds do not match
orbital speeds, because those arms are not 'in
orbit', it is spit out matter from the central
core of the galaxy (like a garden sprinkler).

That too fails observation.

Until astrophysicks lets go of the current concept
(alias flat earth, or exactly what it is not),
every silly theory build by constructing 'dark
matter', 'dark force', Dart Vader etc, will be one
by one shot down and booted out the door.

Hey that felt good.

That is because that is how Science works.

Eventually, they will get back to the assumptions that created Dark Matter in the first place, take careful evaluation of all the normal matter we have found, reevaluate the decision to pick the center of a galaxy as having "no Dark Matter" and calibrating mass-to-luminosity in a region we know is swept clear.

David A. Smith

In article ,
Jan Panteltje writes:
Dark-matter hope fades in microwave haze:
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...microwave-haze

The preprint is at http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.5483

The spectral index of the radiation (given in unusual units in the
paper abstract) is consistent with synchrotron radiation.

There are lots of processes going on in and near the Galactic
center. I'm surprised dark matter annihilation was near the top of
anyone's list of likely candidates for the haze. Maybe it just got
the most publicity.

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In article ,
Jan Panteltje writes:
Dark-matter hope fades in microwave haze:
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...microwave-haze

The preprint is at http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.5483

The spectral index of the radiation (given in unusual units in the
paper abstract) is consistent with synchrotron radiation.

There are lots of processes going on in and near the Galactic
center. I'm surprised dark matter annihilation was near the top of
anyone's list of likely candidates for the haze. Maybe it just got
the most publicity.

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On 18/09/2012 2:29 PM, Steve Willner wrote:
The preprint is at http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.5483

The spectral index of the radiation (given in unusual units in the
paper abstract) is consistent with synchrotron radiation.

There are lots of processes going on in and near the Galactic
center. I'm surprised dark matter annihilation was near the top of
anyone's list of likely candidates for the haze. Maybe it just got
the most publicity.

Probably because there is a heavy desire by many to see Dark Matter (and
specifically the WIMP's) succeed as a theory, that they get myopic in
their analysis, stop even looking for other explanations. Kind of like a
police force that gets convinced of someone's guilt, that they stop even
trying to look for alternative explanations.

Yousuf Khan

On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 00:05:02 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:

On 18/09/2012 2:29 PM, Steve Willner wrote:
The preprint is at http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.5483

The spectral index of the radiation (given in unusual units in the
paper abstract) is consistent with synchrotron radiation.

There are lots of processes going on in and near the Galactic center.
I'm surprised dark matter annihilation was near the top of anyone's
list of likely candidates for the haze. Maybe it just got the most
publicity.

Probably because there is a heavy desire by many to see Dark Matter (and
specifically the WIMP's) succeed as a theory, that they get myopic in
their analysis, stop even looking for other explanations. Kind of like a
police force that gets convinced of someone's guilt, that they stop even
trying to look for alternative explanations.

Yousuf Khan

It is called "funding".

People get funded to look for "dark matter". The beauty of it is, it is
an unscientific hypothesis; it can't be refuted.

Someone else says modified theory of Gravity. They get called cranks by
the dark matter majority which has a vested interest in seeing that their
golden goose is not debunked. Scientist proposing alternative theories
don't get funded because the government putz who gives the funding is
getting pressure due to political pressure from a congressmen who is
getting donations from "scientist" studying dark matter.

Then the university has a "research department" that handles the funding.
These are the assholes who are behind the term "publish or perish". A
scientist in the physics department may be stuck teaching undergrad
physics, a job made unpleasant by diversity other PC rules. He may have
the coveted research position. To keep that job is a vicious circle: he
has to be funded and he has to publish. One doesn't happen without the
other.

Such is the sad state of scientific research in the western world.

On 9/19/2012 10:48 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:


People get funded to look for "dark matter". The beauty of it is, it is
an unscientific hypothesis; it can't be refuted.

Someone else says modified theory of Gravity. They get called cranks by
the dark matter majority which has a vested interest in seeing that their
golden goose is not debunked. Scientist proposing alternative theories
don't get funded because the government putz who gives the funding is
getting pressure due to political pressure from a congressmen who is
getting donations from "scientist" studying dark matter.

Then the university has a "research department" that handles the funding.
These are the assholes who are behind the term "publish or perish". A
scientist in the physics department may be stuck teaching undergrad
physics, a job made unpleasant by diversity other PC rules. He may have
the coveted research position. To keep that job is a vicious circle: he
has to be funded and he has to publish. One doesn't happen without the
other.

Such is the sad state of scientific research in the western world.


Unfortunately for your idea, the western world has led the way in almost
every field of scientific endeavor. The fact that YOUR pet project
didn't get funded notwithstanding.







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On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:31:55 -0400, HVAC wrote:

On 9/19/2012 10:48 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:


People get funded to look for "dark matter". The beauty of it is, it is
an unscientific hypothesis; it can't be refuted.

Someone else says modified theory of Gravity. They get called cranks by
the dark matter majority which has a vested interest in seeing that
their golden goose is not debunked. Scientist proposing alternative
theories don't get funded because the government putz who gives the
funding is getting pressure due to political pressure from a
congressmen who is getting donations from "scientist" studying dark
matter.

Then the university has a "research department" that handles the
funding.
These are the assholes who are behind the term "publish or perish". A
scientist in the physics department may be stuck teaching undergrad
physics, a job made unpleasant by diversity other PC rules. He may
have the coveted research position. To keep that job is a vicious
circle: he has to be funded and he has to publish. One doesn't happen
without the other.

Such is the sad state of scientific research in the western world.


Unfortunately for your idea, the western world has led the way in almost
every field of scientific endeavor. The fact that YOUR pet project
didn't get funded notwithstanding.

Of course, that the "western world" has recently been corrupted by
funding does not negate the western world's past achievements nor does it
mean good programs don't manage to be funded if there is no political
opposition to them. Your primary fallacy is a non-sequitor.

You also are assuming that assuming the consequent in my argument is
logical, and it is a fallacy.

I've explained why certain non-sciences like AGW, dark matter, string
theory and so on get funded despite the fact they are in contradiction of
the data or based on a hypothesis that cannot be falsified.

On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:51:38 -0500, Marvin the Martian
wrote:

On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:31:55 -0400, HVAC wrote:

On 9/19/2012 10:48 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:


People get funded to look for "dark matter". The beauty of it is, it is
an unscientific hypothesis; it can't be refuted.

Someone else says modified theory of Gravity. They get called cranks by
the dark matter majority which has a vested interest in seeing that
their golden goose is not debunked. Scientist proposing alternative
theories don't get funded because the government putz who gives the
funding is getting pressure due to political pressure from a
congressmen who is getting donations from "scientist" studying dark
matter.

Then the university has a "research department" that handles the
funding.
These are the assholes who are behind the term "publish or perish". A
scientist in the physics department may be stuck teaching undergrad
physics, a job made unpleasant by diversity other PC rules. He may
have the coveted research position. To keep that job is a vicious
circle: he has to be funded and he has to publish. One doesn't happen
without the other.

Such is the sad state of scientific research in the western world.


Unfortunately for your idea, the western world has led the way in almost
every field of scientific endeavor. The fact that YOUR pet project
didn't get funded notwithstanding.

Of course, that the "western world" has recently been corrupted by
funding does not negate the western world's past achievements nor does it
mean good programs don't manage to be funded if there is no political
opposition to them. Your primary fallacy is a non-sequitor.

You also are assuming that assuming the consequent in my argument is
logical, and it is a fallacy.

I've explained why certain non-sciences like AGW, dark matter, string
theory and so on get funded despite the fact they are in contradiction of
the data or based on a hypothesis that cannot be falsified.

It's no surprise that Marvie is incapable of understand the
difference between "explaining why" and voicing his delusions.

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Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]