Was there a civilization that existed 13 000 years ago?

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 14:00:21 +0100, Doug Weller
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to the question:

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WAS THERE A CIVILIZATION
THAT EXISTED 13,000 YEARS AGO?

Gee whiz, Doug, THAT I can't answer.

But, I assure you, there WAS a civilization
that existed during the time that coal was
formed.

And, since science dates coal at a minimum
of 280,000,000, this would mean this civilization
would've been approximately 21,538 times older
than the one you're discussing.

That, of course, you -- a longtime Pseudo Supreme --
don't want to hear since it gives your
ridiculously impossible, factless, facetious
Theory of Evolution a kick in the testacles.

You and the other pseudos worldwide, their brians
sadly corroded by their eagerness to protect their
vested interests, have the audacity to call
yourself scientists.

You -- and they -- wouldn't know scientific truth
if you tripped over it.

Otherwise, Please have a pleasant day.

Ed Conrad


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PHYSICAL EVIDENCE MAN AS OLD AS COAL

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OLDEST HUMAN SKULL EVER FOUND

http://www.edconrad.com/images/z11calv.jpg

http://www.edconrad.com/images/krogwskull.jpg

Wilton Krogman, one of the world's foremost experts
on human anatomy, holds what he had identified as
a petrified human calvarium, a skull with the eye sockets
broken off, that was discovered between Pennsylvania's
anthracite veins. He is shown at his desk at the Cooper
Clinic in Lancaster, Pa., where moments later he beckoned
a colleague -- a medical doctor -- to examine "the oldest
human skull ever found."

A CATscan was performed on this specimen with
favorable results.

http://www.edconrad.com/images/catcalv.jpg

Meanwhile, Haversian canals were identified in the cell
tructue, the tell-tale sign of bone. And dried blood was
found on the specimen during testing at American Medical
Laboratories in Chantilly, Va.

This is the official report from AML which had performed
Calculus Analysis by Crystallography. The final report,
dated April 21, 2000," was issued by Dr. Nathan Sherman,
director of laboratories.

"The specimen consists of 1 irregularly
shaped, brown calculus weighing less
than 0.0010 grams and measuring 1X1X0.5
mm. No nidus is observed. The calculi indicates
a composition of dried blood intermingled with a few
small crystals resembling calcium oxalate dihydrate."

http://www.edconrad.com/images/z12calv.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/images/z13cav.jpg

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OTHER PETRIFIED BONES, TEETH AND
SOFT ORGANS FOUND BETWEEN COAL VEINS

Here's a petrified human femur still embedded in slate.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/z8femur.jpg

Here's a petrified human finger, with fingernail:
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/FINGER/MVC-008S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/FINGER/MVC-011S.JPG

Here's a petrified human toe (with toe nail), found only
10-15 feet from the petrified finger.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Au29/MVC-017S.JPG

Here are the petrified human finger and the petrified human
toe shown together.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Au29/MVC-016S.JP

Here's the specimen that Krogman identified as a tibia. It contains
Haversian canals, proof of bone, and dried blood was found on it
during American Medical Laboratory testing. This is the specimen
that was fraudulently tested by Andrew MacRae (who produced
microscopic photos of the cell structure of a rock on the false
pretext that he was showing the cell structure of this specimen).
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/newtibia.jpg

This is the boulder containing the complete human skull.
Testing has confirmed the presence of Haversian canals
and American Medical Laboratories discovered it contains
dried blood.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/skullb.jpg

Here's a petrified human mandible (frontal).
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix5/MVC-002S.JPG

Here's a portion of a human mandible (side).
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-006S.JPG

Here's a giant petrified tooth.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/1tooth.jpg

Here's a petrified dinosaur foot still embedded in slate.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix3/z3dino.jpg

Here's a petrified fetus of some large animal.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/MVC-013F.JPG

Here's another petrified fetus, still embedded in slate.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Day/MVC-005S.JPG

Here are several views of portion of a giant prehistoric scorpion
identified as such by Krogman.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-001S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-010S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-020S.JPG

Here's a photo of the same portion of a petrified giant
scorpion -- found 22 years ago -- alongside one found just
weeks ago.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/SCORPIONS/MVC-039S.JPG

Here are two views of a piece of wood that appears to have been
handcarved for use as a tool or a weapon.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-003S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-005S.JPG

Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com

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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 14:00:21 +0100, Doug Weller
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WAS THERE A CIVILIZATION
THAT EXISTED 13,000 YEARS AGO?




Ever hear of the Hyperboreans?


Double-A

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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 14:00:21 +0100, Doug Weller
wrote in response
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WAS THERE A CIVILIZATION
THAT EXISTED 13,000 YEARS AGO?




Ever hear of the Hyperboreans?


Double-A


that was Cohen the Barbarian's bunch, wasn't it?

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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 14:00:21 +0100, Doug Weller
wrote in response
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WAS THERE A CIVILIZATION
THAT EXISTED 13,000 YEARS AGO?



Yes...

Paul R. Mays wrote:




Yes...

During the ice age? Where and with what evidence do you believe it?

There were humans and human societies 13,000 ybp but did they constitute
a civilization in the sense of Egypt or Babylon?

Bob Kolker

"Robert J. Kolker" wrote in message
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Paul R. Mays wrote:




Yes...

During the ice age? Where and with what evidence do you believe it?

There were humans and human societies 13,000 ybp but did they constitute
a civilization in the sense of Egypt or Babylon?

Bob Kolker





First its actually a bit older than 13k more like
15 to 20 k

Try this.. Don't consider any point of view
but your own and look at 3 points and come up
with a better idea....

First: DNA Bottle neck.. Mitochondria DNA shows
a almost ELI event about 10 to 15 k ago that left
a small segment to repopulate of possible a few k
people world wide.

Second: Map the positions and mathematical symmetry
of the locations of Easter Island, Plains of Gaza, and
the plains of Nasser (sp) .. I will not tell you what I
think you will find.. you just look and make up your
mind..

Third: Map all the pyramids in Gaza... the bent, the stepped
the 3 main and the Red and the grey... add the location of
the Nile river and match that map to the Orion Constellation...
Then go to your trusty star map software and back it through
time till to only point that it matches the relationships and
you will find that it matches each star (all 7) and the location
of the Nile will match the band of the milkyway... 10k to 13k

Do it your self and see what you come up with....

As for why a past civilization being a bit hard to know of it
simple... The ice age... Cities that would have been close to water
ways during the early period of the ice age would be left high
and dry so many would move to the water for all the same reasons we
started most cities along the water..

Then the big melt... Those cities would now be miles out at sea under
400 to 800 feet of water and under 20k years of debris and marine growth..

and any old structures left behind would be reworked as a new
population grows and retakes the now dry lands...

The writer of Lost Civilization ( can't remember the guys name )
gives a lot of evidence that seems very convincing....

The pyramid match to the Orion group is very interesting...
Because if its really a map of that system then all the pyramids
had to be designed at the same time inorder to conform the map.
Which throws a monkey wrench into the classical model...

Also .. I think if it was closely studied that there is a relationship
between the design of each pyramids and the star it matches in Orion
Maybe the Red pyramids matches a Red Giant , Stepped pyramids
matches a multi planetary system ect.. Know if there is a
correlation but if there is its a biggy,,,,,,

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WAS THERE A CIVILIZATION
THAT EXISTED 13,000 YEARS AGO?

By definition civilization requires cities, so no, there
was no civilization 11kBCE. There were cultures, some
of them more advanced than others, but no civilizations.
If you disagree point to a city that existed then.

tom

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WAS THERE A CIVILIZATION
THAT EXISTED 13,000 YEARS AGO?

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By definition civilization requires cities, so no, there
was no civilization 11kBCE.

I'm not sure about this (this being that civilizations require cities).

civ=B7i=B7li=B7za=B7tion (sv-l-zshn)
n.

1. An advanced state of intellectual, cultural, and material developm=
ent in
human society, marked by progress in the arts and sciences, the ex=
tensive
use of record-keeping, including writing, and the appearance of co=
mplex
political and social institutions.
2. The type of culture and society developed by a particular nation o=
r region
or in a particular epoch: Mayan civilization; the civilization of =
ancient
Rome.
3. The act or process of civilizing or reaching a civilized state.
4. Cultural or intellectual refinement; good taste.
5. Modern society with its conveniences: returned to civilization aft=
er
camping in the mountains.

It seems a very debatable point.

There were cultures, some
of them more advanced than others, but no civilizations.

I think you have it the wrong way round myself. The above is from diction=
ary.com
and I think it's got it right.

If you disagree point to a city that existed then.

Trivial (for prehistoric cities, a category you call a null set).

http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s768954.htm

Ruins of 4,300-year-old prehistoric city found in China

Chinese archaeologists have discovered the ruins of a prehistoric
city dating back an estimated 4,300 years in southwest Sichuan province,=

state press said.

The find provided evidence that the region along the upper reaches of
the Yangtze River, with the Chengdu Plain at the core, played an
important role in the origin and development of Chinese civilization,
experts said.

-------------------------------------

http://www.telesterion.com/catal1.htm

CATAL HUYUK

The Temple City of Prehistoric Anatolia

[...]

The oldest layer of Catal Huyuk yet excavated (virgin soil has not bee=
n
reached) is reliably carbon dated to 6,500 B.C,, and reveals a thriving,=

completely developed and planned, city.

They existed, their remains exist today.

Rich


tom
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(Tom Kirke) wrote in message ...
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WAS THERE A CIVILIZATION
THAT EXISTED 13,000 YEARS AGO?

By definition civilization requires cities, so no, there
was no civilization 11kBCE. There were cultures, some
of them more advanced than others, but no civilizations.
If you disagree point to a city that existed then.

tom


Cities of deer skin huts would leave few traces.

Double-A

"Tom Kirke" wrote in message
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WAS THERE A CIVILIZATION
THAT EXISTED 13,000 YEARS AGO?

By definition civilization requires cities, so no, there
was no civilization 11kBCE. There were cultures, some
of them more advanced than others, but no civilizations.
If you disagree point to a city that existed then.

tom

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/nation/2962443.htm

http://archives.mundoacuatico.com/oc...iousstones.pdf

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...kencities.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1923794.stm

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in522626.shtml

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/detail.asp?ID=32604&GRP=A

http://www.morien-institute.org/yonaguni.html

http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue1...apanunder.html


Thats a start but theres a much longer list....




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We have discovered a therapy ( NOT a cure )
for the common cold. Play tuba for an hour.