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Old March 23rd 06, 10:58 PM posted to alt.battlestar-galactica,rec.arts.tv,rec.models.rockets,sci.space.history
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:54:22 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Steven
P. McNicoll" made the phosphor on my
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"Robert J. Kolker" wrote in message
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It was JFK who proposed the mission. NASA took him up on it.


NASA announced Project Apollo on July 28, 1960. When did Senator Kennedy
propose the project to NASA?


President Kennedy proposed the project to the nation in May of 1961.
Had he not done that, there would have been no moon landings.

http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4214/ch1-3.html

"...in mid-1960 NASA announced its intention to award contracts to
study the feasibility of a manned lunar mission. The project even had
a name: Apollo. On October 25, study contracts were let to three
aerospace firms.12

NASA might conduct studies to show that man could go to the moon, and
scientists might argue that manned space flight was of doubtful value,
but Congress and the president would have to make the commitment, and
the decisive stimulus was still lacking."
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:54:13 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Steven
P. McNicoll" made the phosphor on my
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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
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Then who do you fantasize did?


I don't know, but I do know that NASA announced Project Apollo on July 28,
1960, when Senator JFK was busily running for president.


All that meant was that they issued some feasibility study contracts.
NASA does this all the time with many things that never happen (in
fact, most of the time, the project fails to go forward). There would
have been no moon landing unless it became national policy, in May of
1961.
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:55:52 GMT, in a place far, far away,
(Bob) made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:49:26 GMT,
h (Rand
Simberg) wrote:

Not did any president, for that matter, but it wouldn't have had a
chance to be successful if Kennedy hadn't initiated the program.


JFK did not initiate the program. Congress did.


This is nonsense. What is your problem with giving JFK appropriate
credit for initiating the Apollo program?
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:57:17 GMT, in a place far, far away,
(Bob) made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:16:19 GMT,
h (Rand
Simberg) wrote:

Kennedy did not initiate the program.


Then who do you fantasize did?


No fantasy involved. Congress appropriated the funding for NASA to
land men on the Moon.


After Kennedy requested it.

Did you ever work for NASA?


Yes.

I did. I even shook Werner von Braun's hand.


Well, whoop-de-doo.
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In article , Rand Simberg
wrote:

Of course, to get back to the original point, he didn't make the moon
landings happen. The program was almost complete by the time he took
office (he'd only been president for seven months when Armstrong and
Aldrin landed).



Finally, something other than semantic wrangling! Completely wrong, of
course. Kennedy was elected in 1960, and died in office in 1963. The
"Armstrong and Aldrin" landing took place in 1969, well after Kennedy's
death. Duh.

The reality is that NASA had lunar concepts, Von Braun had lunar
dreams... but it was Kennedys force of personality that bulled Congress
into paying for it. (Or shamed. The politicos would have trouble
explaining whey they'd refused to fund something the President had
promised)
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:15:55 GMT, in a place far, far away,
(Bob) made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way
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JFK did not initiate the program. Congress did.


This is nonsense. What is your problem with giving JFK appropriate
credit for initiating the Apollo program?


Please, enough is enough.

You are beginning to sound like a troll.


I think psychological term for this "projection."
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Robert J. Kolker" wrote in message
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Without JFKs pushing and Congress backing him, no Moon landings. It took
twentyfour billion 1960s dollars to put a footprint on the Moon.



That may be, but it doesn't change the fact that the Apollo project was
initiated before JFK was even president-elect. f


It was contemplated and studied by NASA. It took congress with the
inspiration of JFK to come up with nearly ten years of funding to do the
job. Over twentyfour billion 1960s dollars to put a footprint on the Moon.

Bob Kolker



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Bob wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:39:15 GMT, h (Rand
Simberg) wrote:


The project had been proposed in the fifties.



Not by anyone in a position to make it happen.



Werner von Braun was.


Not without Congress footing the bill.

Bob Kolker



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"Scott Schuckert" wrote in message
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Finally, something other than semantic wrangling! Completely wrong, of
course. Kennedy was elected in 1960, and died in office in 1963. The
"Armstrong and Aldrin" landing took place in 1969, well after Kennedy's
death. Duh.


He's referring to Nixon.



The reality is that NASA had lunar concepts, Von Braun had lunar
dreams... but it was Kennedys force of personality that bulled Congress
into paying for it. (Or shamed. The politicos would have trouble
explaining whey they'd refused to fund something the President had
promised)


The point is Kennedy did not initiate the Apollo program.


 




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