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Another source of light pollution
On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 00:18:22 -0800 (PST), "Chris.B"
wrote: Carpet bombing children and civilians is considered a crime against humanity. So why not ban all advertising? It is far more damaging to a far greater number of innocent people. If we value free expression, there are limits on the degree to which we can ban advertising. But we could certainly ban it in many public spaces. |
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Another source of light pollution
On Saturday, 27 January 2018 20:05:11 UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 16:38:50 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote: On Saturday, 27 January 2018 10:05:55 UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 19:37:56 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote: Paris has rules against shop lights from 1-5am to deal with light pollution and energy waste. So of course, someone had to try to go around the rules. http://www.glowee.eu/ Lighting in cities is generally a good thing. Circadian rhythm disruption. 90% of people in the civilized world live in cities and most don't use pitch-black window blinds or curtains. It is bad design if people are unable to have darkness where they sleep. Good lighting design fixes that. A city without lights would be terrible. Cities in the West are moving away from wasted lighting, thankfully. In fact, in Toronto, it's darker in the core of the city (most of it) than the suburbs. Even light directly solely at the ground can cause light pollution from reflection from concrete. Another source are hyper-bright headlights on cars and trucks. Sometimes headlights on premium SUVs are so bright it looks like they have their highbeams on. |
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On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 9:07:41 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
If we value free expression, there are limits on the degree to which we can ban advertising. But we could certainly ban it in many public spaces. What we value is free and open political debate. Advertising is not a human right, and thus if other countries aren't in line with the Supreme Court's interpretation of the First Amendment, that doesn't mean they're not democracies. John Savard |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 15:03:44 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote: On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 9:07:41 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote: If we value free expression, there are limits on the degree to which we can ban advertising. But we could certainly ban it in many public spaces. What we value is free and open political debate. Advertising is not a human right, and thus if other countries aren't in line with the Supreme Court's interpretation of the First Amendment, that doesn't mean they're not democracies. Indeed. In the U.S., however, we grant rights to non-human entities. (I don't really recognize the concept of a "human right". I think rights should only be granted to human individuals.) |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 11:41:36 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote: On Saturday, 27 January 2018 20:05:11 UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 16:38:50 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote: On Saturday, 27 January 2018 10:05:55 UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 19:37:56 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote: Paris has rules against shop lights from 1-5am to deal with light pollution and energy waste. So of course, someone had to try to go around the rules. http://www.glowee.eu/ Lighting in cities is generally a good thing. Circadian rhythm disruption. 90% of people in the civilized world live in cities and most don't use pitch-black window blinds or curtains. It is bad design if people are unable to have darkness where they sleep. Good lighting design fixes that. A city without lights would be terrible. Cities in the West are moving away from wasted lighting, thankfully. In fact, in Toronto, it's darker in the core of the city (most of it) than the suburbs. And yet, cities everywhere are using more and more lighting for pure decoration. |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 18:06:50 -0700, Chris L Peterson
wrote: (I don't really recognize the concept of a "human right". I think rights should only be granted to human individuals.) Human rights are rights granted to all humans. For instance the right to not be killed. |
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On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 12:46:20 PM UTC-8, Paul Schlyter wrote:
Human rights are rights granted to all humans. For instance the right to not be killed. Tell that to the grizzly bear you surprise on a hike. Tell that to the residents of certain villages in the middle east. Just exactly who is it who grants this 'right not to be killed'? |
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Paul Schlyter: Human rights are rights granted to all humans. For instance the right to not be killed. A lot of people don't get that human rights are not granted; they just are. That's because it is so easy to deny a person their rights, right up to the right to life itself. palsing: Tell that to the grizzly bear you surprise on a hike. Tell that to the residents of certain villages in the middle east. Just exactly who is it who grants this 'right not to be killed'? I repeat, they just are. Try to think of it this way: you may easily violate the anti-litter laws, but the laws exist whether you violate them or not. It's a civilization thing. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 21:46:16 +0100, Paul Schlyter
wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 18:06:50 -0700, Chris L Peterson wrote: (I don't really recognize the concept of a "human right". I think rights should only be granted to human individuals.) Human rights are rights granted to all humans. For instance the right to not be killed. Sure. Or as I call them, "rights". |
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:32:42 -0500, Davoud wrote:
A lot of people don't get that human rights are not granted; they just are. That's because it is so easy to deny a person their rights, right up to the right to life itself. Human rights are human inventions, that do not exist separate from our culture. They may be claimed by those who are strong enough to defend them, they may be granted by rulers. But there are no naturally occurring rights. Not a one. Rights are whatever a society defines them to be. |
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