Why send latest Mars Rovers?

Among all the hoopla surrounding the latest Mars explorer, what I
haven't heard is what this one will do that the previous ones didn't?
The pics sure look pretty much the same. There were rocks there 25
years ago and sure enough, they're still there. And no sightings of
Marvin the Martian yet.

I also haven't seen a pricetag on the things. Anybody?

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Doc wrote:
Among all the hoopla surrounding the latest Mars explorer, what I
haven't heard is what this one will do that the previous ones didn't?
...I also haven't seen a pricetag on the things. Anybody?

"Let those who complain that too much money is being spent on abstract
knowledge while people are starving remember this: The alternative to
knowledge is savagery. Their very existence as stowaways on the voyage
of civilization is owing to advances in science which permit some to
live without doing their share of the work. Let them be tolerant, then,
lest by encumbering the useful ones they destroy the thing which keeps
them alive." -- George Ellery Hale

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"Henry Spencer" wrote in message
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In article ,
Doc wrote:
Among all the hoopla surrounding the latest Mars explorer, what I
haven't heard is what this one will do that the previous ones didn't?
...I also haven't seen a pricetag on the things. Anybody?

"Let those who complain that too much money is being spent on abstract
knowledge while people are starving remember this: The alternative to
knowledge is savagery. Their very existence as stowaways on the voyage
of civilization is owing to advances in science which permit some to
live without doing their share of the work. Let them be tolerant, then,
lest by encumbering the useful ones they destroy the thing which keeps
them alive." -- George Ellery Hale

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MOST launched 30 June; science observations running | Henry Spencer
since Oct; first surprises seen; papers pending. |


Now what do you think that mean Henry, since it can be looked upon it
different lights? As an aeronautical engineering student, I am very much for
space exploration and opening doors for mankind, but I am also doing my bit
and helping today's "starving people", since many of them are in their
predicament because their inherent wealth has been taken and now funds such
missions.

"Dre" wrote in message
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"Henry Spencer" wrote in message
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In article ,
Doc wrote:
Among all the hoopla surrounding the latest Mars explorer, what I
haven't heard is what this one will do that the previous ones didn't?
...I also haven't seen a pricetag on the things. Anybody?

"Let those who complain that too much money is being spent on abstract
knowledge while people are starving remember this: The alternative to
knowledge is savagery. Their very existence as stowaways on the voyage
of civilization is owing to advances in science which permit some to
live without doing their share of the work. Let them be tolerant, then,
lest by encumbering the useful ones they destroy the thing which keeps
them alive." -- George Ellery Hale

--
MOST launched 30 June; science observations running | Henry
Spencer
since Oct; first surprises seen; papers pending. |


Now what do you think that mean Henry, since it can be looked upon it
different lights? As an aeronautical engineering student, I am very much
for
space exploration and opening doors for mankind, but I am also doing my
bit
and helping today's "starving people", since many of them are in their
predicament because their inherent wealth has been taken and now funds
such
missions.

What starving people have had their wealth taken from them in order to fund
the Mars exploration program?

"Dre" wrote in message ...
"Henry Spencer" wrote in message
...
"Let those who complain that too much money is being spent on abstract
knowledge while people are starving remember this: The alternative to
knowledge is savagery. Their very existence as stowaways on the voyage
of civilization is owing to advances in science which permit some to
live without doing their share of the work. Let them be tolerant, then,
lest by encumbering the useful ones they destroy the thing which keeps
them alive." -- George Ellery Hale

Now what do you think that mean Henry, since it can be looked upon it
different lights? As an aeronautical engineering student, I am very much for
space exploration and opening doors for mankind, but I am also doing my bit
and helping today's "starving people", since many of them are in their
predicament because their inherent wealth has been taken and now funds such
missions.

What it means is simple. Ask yourself, how many people
are starving *to death* in the US right now? Very, very
few. How many people are really starving to the point
of serious medical effects due to malnurishment? Very,
very few. Ply the streets my friend, look at the
poor and the indigent. Are they well and truly
starving? Are they hollow cheeked? Do their bones
show clearly under their skin because they have no
fat and no muscle? You will find that, in fact, they
are not truly starving but merely, perhaps, on
occasion hungry, if that. Indeed, it is not unusual
to find a poor or homeless individual who is fat.

Why is this so? Why are there so few deaths due to
malnurishment in the western world (as there had been
in abundance *everywhere* throughout human history)?
Is it because of some greater compasion for the
needy? No. It is due primarily to greed, and
research, and invention. All those "wasteful"
enterprises which the "truly compasionate" would
have us abandon. It is due to things like the one
time rich man's toy, the automobile. It is due to
things like the frivolous, blue sky interest in
the genetics of species. It is due to the greed
of farmers and agribusinesses wanting to make
higher profits. That's how we ended up with
tractors and refrigeration and pesticides and
high-yield crops and efficient irrigation and all
those upteen kajillion things that add up to cheap
food and an effective end to starvation.

Here's another excercise for you, go to a grocery
store, price a 25 lb. bag of flour or rice. Ask
how in the world anyone, even the homeless, could
really be "starving" in today's world. But then
again, you already learned in your previous
excercise that they aren't.

Christopher M. Jones wrote:

What it means is simple. Ask yourself, how many people
are starving *to death* in the US right now? Very, very
few. How many people are really starving to the point
of serious medical effects due to malnurishment? Very,
very few.

Actually, more than you would think.

They are suffering from anorexia, not unavailability of food.

Paul

"Paul F. Dietz" wrote in message ...
Christopher M. Jones wrote:

What it means is simple. Ask yourself, how many people
are starving *to death* in the US right now? Very, very
few. How many people are really starving to the point
of serious medical effects due to malnurishment? Very,
very few.

Actually, more than you would think.

They are suffering from anorexia, not unavailability of food.

Actually malnourishment isn't undernourishment. Lots of people die
before their time because of *mal*nourishment because the stuff that's
bad for them tastes better than what their body really needs. Obesity
is the killer of today, not starvation.


Just wanted to mention that. Well, I'm off to Burger King now. I
have a coupon for a two-Whopper meal here...



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"Dre" :

"Henry Spencer" wrote in message
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In article ,
Doc wrote:
Among all the hoopla surrounding the latest Mars explorer, what I
haven't heard is what this one will do that the previous ones didn't?
...I also haven't seen a pricetag on the things. Anybody?

"Let those who complain that too much money is being spent on abstract
knowledge while people are starving remember this: The alternative to
knowledge is savagery. Their very existence as stowaways on the voyage
of civilization is owing to advances in science which permit some to
live without doing their share of the work. Let them be tolerant, then,
lest by encumbering the useful ones they destroy the thing which keeps
them alive." -- George Ellery Hale

--
MOST launched 30 June; science observations running | Henry Spencer
since Oct; first surprises seen; papers pending. |


Now what do you think that mean Henry, since it can be looked upon it
different lights? As an aeronautical engineering student, I am very much
for
space exploration and opening doors for mankind, but I am also doing my bit
and helping today's "starving people", since many of them are in their
predicament because their inherent wealth has been taken and now funds such
missions.

Really? To my knowledge due to the use of science and technology if a person
truly starves to death in the USA or Canada it is considered a major news
story. There are tons of people suffering health problems from eating a
poorly balanced diet but how often have you seen anyone in N.A. who looks
like the children the aid agencies are
always asking money for?

Earl Colby Pottinger

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Earl Colby Pottinger wrote:

Really? To my knowledge due to the use of science and technology if a person
truly starves to death in the USA or Canada it is considered a major news
story.

Many americans starve each year. They suffer from anorexia. Most do not
create headlines when they die.

Anorexia is distressingly common in the elderly, btw.

Paul

"Paul F. Dietz" :

Earl Colby Pottinger wrote:

Really? To my knowledge due to the use of science and technology if a
person truly starves to death in the USA or Canada it is considered a
major news story.

Many americans starve each year. They suffer from anorexia. Most do not
create headlines when they die.

Anorexia is distressingly common in the elderly, btw.

But that was from thier own choice of actions. Not because they were taxed
to the point of not being able to feed themselves. Also with the elderly it
most often is because they choose the wrong foods or don't know where to go
to get help if they are low income.

The original claims was the cost of sending the Mars rovers was causing
people to starve to death here on earth.

Earl Colby Pottinger

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