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Old July 1st 05, 10:15 PM
RichA
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Default "Deep Impact" mission; designed to deceive?

If this guy is right, it sounds alot like how they conduct global
warming science.
-Rich

http://www.physorg.com/news4899.html

The July 4 "comet shot" is expected to yield data dating back 4.5
billion years, when most scientists believe the solar system was
formed out of an interstellar cloud of gas and dust. Since the frozen
interiors of comets are thought to possess information from that time,
it is believed we can learn more about the original cloud of gas and
dust by sending a projectile into the core of a passing comet.

Not so, says Dr. Oliver Manuel, professor of nuclear chemistry at UMR.

“Comets travel in and out of the solar system, toward the sun and away
from the sun, losing and gaining material,” Manuel explains. “But the
building blocks that made the outer parts of the solar system are
different from the building blocks that made the inner solar system.”

For the record, Manuel believes the sun was born in a catastrophic
supernova explosion and not in a slowly evolving cloud of space stuff.
According to Manuel’s model, heavy elements from the interior of the
supernova created the rocky planets and the sun; and the lighter
elements near the surface of the supernova created the outer, gaseous
planets.

Therefore, Manuel says, data from Deep Impact won't be useful.

“The comet data will show a mixture of material from the inner and
outer layers of the supernova, but it won't tell us anything about the
beginnings of the solar system,” Manuel says. “NASA still says the
solar system was born in an interstellar cloud and that the sun is a
ball of hydrogen with a well-behaved hydrogen fusion reactor in the
middle of it. But it’s not, and that will color the data from Deep
Impact. It will appear to confirm a flawed theory about the birth of
the solar system.”

Manuel says the sun is the remains of a supernova, and that it has a
neutron star at its core. According to a paper he presented last week
at a nuclear research facility in Dubna, Russia, neutron emissions
represent the greatest power source ever known, triggering hydrogen
fusion in the sun, generating an enormous magnetic field, explaining
phenomena like solar flares and causing climate change on earth.

Findings published by other researchers last year in Science magazine
(May 21, 2004) suggested that, in fact, a nearby supernova probably
did contribute material (Iron-60) to an ambiguous cloud that formed
the solar system. What Manuel reported 27 years earlier in Science
(Jan. 14, 1977) is that the supernova blast created the entire solar
system and all of its iron.

“So Deep Impact is NASA’s big cosmic fireworks show for the Fourth of
July, but they’re going to end up using smoke and mirrors to help
validate this theory about a big cloud of dust that supposedly made
the solar system,” Manuel says.

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Old July 2nd 05, 01:49 AM
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"RichA" wrote in message
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If this guy is right, it sounds alot like how they conduct global
warming science.
-Rich


The hell they do!. Global warming science is grounded on evidence. I don't
expect a simpleton like
you to undestand much about how any science is conducted "Rich". Too date
there is no evidence
about the early solar system. Only theory and what logically makes sense.
The theory of supernova's
is backed by observation via the HST mostly. The idea that a G class star
like the sun came into existence
as a result of a supernova and actually harbours a neutron star at it's core
doesn't jive with conventional view and physics.

For one thing, a supernova blast launches material into interstellar space
at millions of km's per hour you can't get beyond that.
The material becomes lost...IT DON'T HANG AROUND!





http://www.physorg.com/news4899.html

The July 4 "comet shot" is expected to yield data dating back 4.5
billion years, when most scientists believe the solar system was
formed out of an interstellar cloud of gas and dust. Since the frozen
interiors of comets are thought to possess information from that time,
it is believed we can learn more about the original cloud of gas and
dust by sending a projectile into the core of a passing comet.

Not so, says Dr. Oliver Manuel, professor of nuclear chemistry at UMR.

"Comets travel in and out of the solar system, toward the sun and away
from the sun, losing and gaining material," Manuel explains. "But the
building blocks that made the outer parts of the solar system are
different from the building blocks that made the inner solar system."

For the record, Manuel believes the sun was born in a catastrophic
supernova explosion and not in a slowly evolving cloud of space stuff.
According to Manuel's model, heavy elements from the interior of the
supernova created the rocky planets and the sun; and the lighter
elements near the surface of the supernova created the outer, gaseous
planets.

Therefore, Manuel says, data from Deep Impact won't be useful.

"The comet data will show a mixture of material from the inner and
outer layers of the supernova, but it won't tell us anything about the
beginnings of the solar system," Manuel says. "NASA still says the
solar system was born in an interstellar cloud and that the sun is a
ball of hydrogen with a well-behaved hydrogen fusion reactor in the
middle of it. But it's not, and that will color the data from Deep
Impact. It will appear to confirm a flawed theory about the birth of
the solar system."

Manuel says the sun is the remains of a supernova, and that it has a
neutron star at its core. According to a paper he presented last week
at a nuclear research facility in Dubna, Russia, neutron emissions
represent the greatest power source ever known, triggering hydrogen
fusion in the sun, generating an enormous magnetic field, explaining
phenomena like solar flares and causing climate change on earth.

Findings published by other researchers last year in Science magazine
(May 21, 2004) suggested that, in fact, a nearby supernova probably
did contribute material (Iron-60) to an ambiguous cloud that formed
the solar system. What Manuel reported 27 years earlier in Science
(Jan. 14, 1977) is that the supernova blast created the entire solar
system and all of its iron.

"So Deep Impact is NASA's big cosmic fireworks show for the Fourth of
July, but they're going to end up using smoke and mirrors to help
validate this theory about a big cloud of dust that supposedly made
the solar system," Manuel says.



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Old July 2nd 05, 04:44 AM
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Global warming is a fact. Human cause is a fact. Ultimate efects are
unknown.


"RichA" wrote in message
...
If this guy is right, it sounds alot like how they conduct global
warming science.
-Rich

http://www.physorg.com/news4899.html

The July 4 "comet shot" is expected to yield data dating back 4.5
billion years, when most scientists believe the solar system was
formed out of an interstellar cloud of gas and dust. Since the frozen
interiors of comets are thought to possess information from that time,
it is believed we can learn more about the original cloud of gas and
dust by sending a projectile into the core of a passing comet.

Not so, says Dr. Oliver Manuel, professor of nuclear chemistry at UMR.

"Comets travel in and out of the solar system, toward the sun and away
from the sun, losing and gaining material," Manuel explains. "But the
building blocks that made the outer parts of the solar system are
different from the building blocks that made the inner solar system."

For the record, Manuel believes the sun was born in a catastrophic
supernova explosion and not in a slowly evolving cloud of space stuff.
According to Manuel's model, heavy elements from the interior of the
supernova created the rocky planets and the sun; and the lighter
elements near the surface of the supernova created the outer, gaseous
planets.

Therefore, Manuel says, data from Deep Impact won't be useful.

"The comet data will show a mixture of material from the inner and
outer layers of the supernova, but it won't tell us anything about the
beginnings of the solar system," Manuel says. "NASA still says the
solar system was born in an interstellar cloud and that the sun is a
ball of hydrogen with a well-behaved hydrogen fusion reactor in the
middle of it. But it's not, and that will color the data from Deep
Impact. It will appear to confirm a flawed theory about the birth of
the solar system."

Manuel says the sun is the remains of a supernova, and that it has a
neutron star at its core. According to a paper he presented last week
at a nuclear research facility in Dubna, Russia, neutron emissions
represent the greatest power source ever known, triggering hydrogen
fusion in the sun, generating an enormous magnetic field, explaining
phenomena like solar flares and causing climate change on earth.

Findings published by other researchers last year in Science magazine
(May 21, 2004) suggested that, in fact, a nearby supernova probably
did contribute material (Iron-60) to an ambiguous cloud that formed
the solar system. What Manuel reported 27 years earlier in Science
(Jan. 14, 1977) is that the supernova blast created the entire solar
system and all of its iron.

"So Deep Impact is NASA's big cosmic fireworks show for the Fourth of
July, but they're going to end up using smoke and mirrors to help
validate this theory about a big cloud of dust that supposedly made
the solar system," Manuel says.



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Old July 2nd 05, 01:08 PM
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To Roc

That is incorrect for material exists in proximity to a Supernova star
before and after the event occurs.


The rings of SN1987A and the material that constitutes them existed
before the supernova event and the outgoing material from the
explosion highlights that they all the material is not lost and it may
be that a supernova event is not the end for a star but the beginning
of a different phase.

http://www.ps.uci.edu/~superk/pic/sn1987a.gif

It may be that our solar system still retains a trace of a different
phase of our Sun's evolutionary process which give rise to the
periodic elements in the form of things we know as belts or clouds for
while the stellar emergence from nebula is fine,the composition of
heavier elements from stellar evolutionary process must be identified
with a supernova event or some similar process .Like the guys who went
searching for a volcano in Yellowstone only to discover than they were
standing in a giant caldera,it make be that the antecent supernova star
and the abundant elements which make life possible is our own Sun.

http://www.solarviews.com/browse/comet/kuiper3.jpg

Pity that people can't make the necessary compromises to seperate
evolutionary process and the inventive notions to form a link in the
explanatory link in a chain for a useless and overblown 'Theory of
Everything'.Most people enjoy natural phenomena in seeing how things
mesh and seperate.How in the hell are they expected to enjoy every
point is the 'valid center of the universe' as a means to explain
cosmological evoltion but then again,you people like warping things and
give clocks magic properties because the theorists say so.

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Old July 2nd 05, 05:44 PM
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I don't think human is a FACT as yet though there is strong evidence. It's
funny how the "facts" are influenced by a person's politics.

Doink


"Thomas Swanson" wrote in message
.. .
Global warming is a fact. Human cause is a fact. Ultimate efects are
unknown.


"RichA" wrote in message
...
If this guy is right, it sounds alot like how they conduct global
warming science.
-Rich

http://www.physorg.com/news4899.html

The July 4 "comet shot" is expected to yield data dating back 4.5
billion years, when most scientists believe the solar system was
formed out of an interstellar cloud of gas and dust. Since the frozen
interiors of comets are thought to possess information from that time,
it is believed we can learn more about the original cloud of gas and
dust by sending a projectile into the core of a passing comet.

Not so, says Dr. Oliver Manuel, professor of nuclear chemistry at UMR.

"Comets travel in and out of the solar system, toward the sun and away
from the sun, losing and gaining material," Manuel explains. "But the
building blocks that made the outer parts of the solar system are
different from the building blocks that made the inner solar system."

For the record, Manuel believes the sun was born in a catastrophic
supernova explosion and not in a slowly evolving cloud of space stuff.
According to Manuel's model, heavy elements from the interior of the
supernova created the rocky planets and the sun; and the lighter
elements near the surface of the supernova created the outer, gaseous
planets.

Therefore, Manuel says, data from Deep Impact won't be useful.

"The comet data will show a mixture of material from the inner and
outer layers of the supernova, but it won't tell us anything about the
beginnings of the solar system," Manuel says. "NASA still says the
solar system was born in an interstellar cloud and that the sun is a
ball of hydrogen with a well-behaved hydrogen fusion reactor in the
middle of it. But it's not, and that will color the data from Deep
Impact. It will appear to confirm a flawed theory about the birth of
the solar system."

Manuel says the sun is the remains of a supernova, and that it has a
neutron star at its core. According to a paper he presented last week
at a nuclear research facility in Dubna, Russia, neutron emissions
represent the greatest power source ever known, triggering hydrogen
fusion in the sun, generating an enormous magnetic field, explaining
phenomena like solar flares and causing climate change on earth.

Findings published by other researchers last year in Science magazine
(May 21, 2004) suggested that, in fact, a nearby supernova probably
did contribute material (Iron-60) to an ambiguous cloud that formed
the solar system. What Manuel reported 27 years earlier in Science
(Jan. 14, 1977) is that the supernova blast created the entire solar
system and all of its iron.

"So Deep Impact is NASA's big cosmic fireworks show for the Fourth of
July, but they're going to end up using smoke and mirrors to help
validate this theory about a big cloud of dust that supposedly made
the solar system," Manuel says.





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Old July 2nd 05, 09:48 PM
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Thomas Swanson wrote:
Global warming is a fact.


It's happening on Mars, too (based on smaller ice caps each year for
the
past 40+ years or so).

So unless you concede Martians are driving their SUVs with wild
abandon,
"something else" must be the cause (perhaps the Sun?).

I'd say "ocean warming" is more a fact than "global warming" if one
looks at
actual data.

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Old July 3rd 05, 04:57 PM
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RichA wrote:
Global warming supporters don't believe in data, they believe in
dogma.


Scientists believe in dogma rather than data? What a ludicrous
statement.

There's probably an astrology forum for you out there somewhere. You
must be in the wrong place, fundy.

 




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