The "C" in Celestron now stands for COMMUNIST!

Synta is now the proud owner of Celestron.
They probably bought in because the patents
and technology to make SCT correctors is
essential to reproduce that business in
MAINLAND CHINA! So the next time a tank
rolls over some democracy protester in Tianamen Square,
picture a C8 mounted on the front of it!

"RichA" wrote in message
...
Synta is now the proud owner of Celestron.
They probably bought in because the patents
and technology to make SCT correctors is
essential to reproduce that business in
MAINLAND CHINA! So the next time a tank
rolls over some democracy protester in Tianamen Square,
picture a C8 mounted on the front of it!
Start by getting your data right.
Synta is a _Taiwanese_ company, not a Chinese company. They do have a
manufacturing plant in China, and are already the largest manufacturer of
OEM optics in the world.
They helped design some of the newer Celestron scopes over the last few
years, and so there is little 'new' that they are going to find out.
In fact the 'owners', are a seperate company in the US, that is itself
owned by Synta (SW Technology Corporation).

Best Wishes

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:54:25 GMT, "Roger Hamlett"
wrote, in part:
"RichA" wrote in message
.. .

Synta is now the proud owner of Celestron.
They probably bought in because the patents
and technology to make SCT correctors is
essential to reproduce that business in
MAINLAND CHINA! So the next time a tank
rolls over some democracy protester in Tianamen Square,
picture a C8 mounted on the front of it!

Start by getting your data right.
Synta is a _Taiwanese_ company, not a Chinese company. They do have a
manufacturing plant in China, and are already the largest manufacturer of
OEM optics in the world.

But since Synta has a manufacturing plant in _Mainland_ China - I
believe that must be what you meant, since Taiwan _is_ part of China,
although not being part of the People's Republic of China, and thus any
Synta manufacturing plant in Taiwan would be in China (just as a
manufacturing plant in Munich and a manufacturing plant in Dresden would
both have been in Germany even *before* the Berlin Wall came down) -
then the technology for making Schmidt-Cassegrain telescopes *could*
sneak into Red China because of this.

Of course, SCTs have been around for enough years that the patents have
expired. Schmidt *himself* successfully kept his secret of how to make
correctors, but it has since become general knowledge:

http://www.quadibloc.com/science/opt02.htm

Also, cheap Maksutov telescopes are already being made in China. It's
true that cheap SCTs would be even cheaper - given that *labor* may be
cheap in China, but optical glass also uses raw materials... sand may be
pretty cheap, but *Barium* costs real money - but is the difference
really a big deal, particularly as Maksutovs are percieved as being
better quality?

John Savard

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John Savard wrote:
But since Synta has a manufacturing plant in _Mainland_ China - I
believe that must be what you meant, since Taiwan _is_ part of China,

That's a pretty misleading way to put it. Taiwan in no way considers
itself to be part of anything larger--at least, not at the present
moment. It would only consider the proposition of becoming part of
a larger China if the mainland ceases what Taiwan considers to be
unreasonable aggression.

The mainland, of course, does consider Taiwan to be part of it. But
it's not quite the plain factual matter your words suggest.

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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:13:13 +0000 (UTC), (Brian Tung)
wrote, in part:
John Savard wrote:
But since Synta has a manufacturing plant in _Mainland_ China - I
believe that must be what you meant, since Taiwan _is_ part of China,

That's a pretty misleading way to put it. Taiwan in no way considers
itself to be part of anything larger--at least, not at the present
moment. It would only consider the proposition of becoming part of
a larger China if the mainland ceases what Taiwan considers to be
unreasonable aggression.

The mainland, of course, does consider Taiwan to be part of it. But
it's not quite the plain factual matter your words suggest.

As I noted, Taiwan is _not_ part of the People's Republic of China.

The People's Republic of China is not China. It's just that part of
China which happens to be under Communist control at the moment.

It certainly is possible for two sovereign states to exist within the
territory of one historic nation. Were Taiwan able to avail itself of
the protection of the UN Charter - which the Communists try to prevent,
so that they can accuse the U.S. of "aggression" if it defends the
freedom of the people currently living in Taiwan - it would still be
part of China, although definitely not part of Red China.

The U.S. missed an opportunity, after Tienanmen square, to reverse the
adoption of the Albanian proposal - and put the Republic of China back
in the U.N., as the holder China's seat on the Security Council. Just as
the U.N. began life as an alliance of the world's democracies against
Nazism, it should continue to be an active alliance of the world's
democratic nations against all forms of tyranny - not something that
admits the foxes to debate on how to guard the henhouse, like the failed
League of Nations.

An enlarged NATO that includes Israel, as well as former SEATO members
such as Japan, South Korea, and Australia, perhaps renamed the World
Treaty Organization, could perhaps replace the U.N. if that body instead
continues its slide into irrelevancy.

As to Taiwan, I would indeed like it to retake the mainland - except, of
course, acknowledging the independence and sovereignity of Tibet and
Uighuristan (also known as Sinkiang province) - so that all those
foreign Mandarin speakers can leave the island of Formosa yet remain
free, so that it can once again be a comfortable home to its rightful
Fukienese-speaking inhabitants.

For true freedom and equality, the ideal would be for China to become a
free trade area embracing sovereign states for each major dialect, so
that Cantonese speakers or Fukienese speakers could rise all the way to
the top in their own homelands without being subject to pressure to
learn other languages to which Mandarin speakers are not equally
subject.

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John Savard wrote:
As I noted, Taiwan is _not_ part of the People's Republic of China.

I saw that. If the thread were about the cultures of Taiwan and the
mainland, your observation would be relevant.

But it is not about the culture of Taiwan. It is about the policies
practiced by the two Chinas (plural definitely intended) and their
effect on business operation, which people in the U.S. are (rightfully)
interested in when choosing what to buy. In that context, pointing
out that Taiwan is part of China, although true from a historical and
cultural perspective, *is* misleading. People in the U.S., when they
think about it at all, identify the name China with the mainland, and
Taiwan with the island, and typically prefer to buy Taiwanese to
Chinese, except where low cost is the overriding factor.

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In article , says...
John Savard wrote:
But since Synta has a manufacturing plant in _Mainland_ China - I
believe that must be what you meant, since Taiwan _is_ part of China,

That's a pretty misleading way to put it.

As a matter of fact, Taiwan calls itself "Republic of China" ....

http://www.gio.gov.tw/


Taiwan in no way considers
itself to be part of anything larger--at least, not at the present
moment. It would only consider the proposition of becoming part of
a larger China if the mainland ceases what Taiwan considers to be
unreasonable aggression.

The mainland, of course, does consider Taiwan to be part of it. But
it's not quite the plain factual matter your words suggest.

Brian Tung
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Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
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Paul Schlyter wrote:
As a matter of fact, Taiwan calls itself "Republic of China" ....

You guys must think I'm a total ignoramus or something when it comes
to Taiwan and China.

I'm well aware of the name R.O.C. However, that's not what John said.
He said that Taiwan is part of China. That means something quite
different to the average informed reader (from the U.S., at least).

The fact that Taiwan is historically (although only back to about 1600
or so) and culturally part of China is mostly irrelevant when it comes
to their business practices, which are largely a product of the last
century. The two do have a business relationship, but that does not
rely on the two being part of a larger China.

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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:54:25 GMT, "Roger Hamlett"
wrote:


"RichA" wrote in message
.. .
Synta is now the proud owner of Celestron.
They probably bought in because the patents
and technology to make SCT correctors is
essential to reproduce that business in
MAINLAND CHINA! So the next time a tank
rolls over some democracy protester in Tianamen Square,
picture a C8 mounted on the front of it!
Start by getting your data right.
Synta is a _Taiwanese_ company, not a Chinese company. They do have a
manufacturing plant in China, and are already the largest manufacturer of
OEM optics in the world.

Now where did I say Synta was in Mainland China?
They are no more responsible for their contracted Chinese
factories than Nike was with sweatshops they employed to
make shoes.
-Rich

Roger Hamlett wrote:
Start by getting your data right.
Synta is a _Taiwanese_ company, not a Chinese company.

Now, now, don't go confusin' Rich with _facts_! :-)

Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of:_Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope_
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