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"Dr. Photon" wrote in message:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...eb1d1c0689b604 "newedana" wrote in message roups.com... Physics Revolution seems to have already occurred, but in a different way: [snip] Does Yoon's atomic model agree with following two experiments: 4d orbitals http://cbed.mse.uiuc.edu/images/cu2o.gif N2 bonding orbital (half way down at) http://cibernautes.com/didaclopez/944/2670/ figure caption I think approximately translates as " One of the images obtained by the group of Villeneuve, which shows the molecular orbital around the exterior of molecular N2, which includes an amplitude region that encompasses both atoms and which is uniquely determined. The images obtained coincide with the theoretical models of the molecular orbital of diatomic nitrogen." You'll find more about Yoon's Universal Atomic Model and New Natural Science from http://www.yoonsatom.net |
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Dr. Hansik Yoon proposes a very innovative atomic model, Yoon's
Universal Atomic Model, in his book titled "Natural Science Founded on A New Atomic Model". --- http://www.yoonsatom.net This book seems to be one of the most innovative and comprehensive natural science books published in decades. This new atomic model replaces the Bohr's atomic model and quantum oscillator. The new atomic model has tiny persistent current ring named as the orbital electron ring around its nucleus. This kind of persistent current is seen from a superconductor. Dr. Yoon's natural science does not rely on the relativity theory and quantum mechanics. It has totally different atomic model and paradigm from other existing theories. Dr. Yoon's natural science seems to satisfactorily explain many physical phenomena disputed long time among scientists without inconsistency. Dr. Yoon in his book deals with a wide range of subjects such as electron, orbital electron ring, atomic structure, nature of light, flaws of the dualism of wave-particle, speed of light, real mechanism of the refraction and diffraction of light, real mechanism of nuclear fission and fusion, superconductivity, NMR and IR spectrums, laser light, X-rays, structure of water, gel crystal, organic carbon compounds, new mechanism of enzymatic reaction, bio-polymers, metallic crystal, origin of elements, cosmology, and etc. What a broad scope! Dr. Yoon asserts that the light and energy which are intrinsically continuous entities can not be satisfactorily described by photons and quanta which are discontinuous entities. And the dualism of wave-particle has big flaw in it. He also boldly asserts in his book that the refraction of light is not due to the speed difference of lights propagating in different material systems with different densities, quite contrary to what we have learned. We can read some part of the book from http://www.yoonsatom.net |
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I found that Dr. Hansik Yoon clearly explained the Diffraction
Mechanism of Electrons (or Double Slit Experiment, if you like) and relevant subjects from his new atomic model's viewpoint in the following contents. So, he effectively disproved the wave-particle dualism and the relativity theory as well as quantum mechanics. Part II. The Energy World Chapter 1. Dualism of Wave-Corpuscle 1)Louis de Broglei's Electron 2)How can Moving Electron have a Wave Character 3)Diffraction Mechanism of Charged Particles 4)Energy Dumping by Charged Particles Accelerated 5)Mass Body Never Reduces its Absolute Mass Dr. Yoon clearly explained the diffraction mechanism of charged particles(electrons) like that: Because the charged particles perform a longitudinal oscillation when accelerated, they construct alternative layers of wave phases constructed with faster and slower speeds. When collimated electrons move in parallel and pass through narrow spacing of crystal lattice, they turn out to build numerous spherical waves between which the phase interference takes place. In the case of destructive interference between different speed wave phases make charged particles deflect by right angles. In the case of constructive wave phase interference, charged particles can proceed forward in straight with integrated faster and slower speed. Thus the charged particles can build a diffraction pattern as X-ray does as they pass through the crystal lattice. In short, the mechanism of forming spherical wave fronts by accelerated charged particles is that when their plane wave fronts pass through optical apertures they turn out to be slitted into numerous tiny beams of particle flow. Magnetic fluxes induced by these accelerated charged particles result to bind their shifted electric force fluxes. Spherical wave fronts are thus made possible from accelerated charged particles when their plane wave fronts pass through crystal lattices. So, while the charged particles keep their speed in constant, the orientation angle of electric fluxes does not change due to a balance between the electric repulsion between individual electric force fluxes and the binding force of self-induced magnetic force fluxes. I also found that Dr. Yoon explained the X-Ray Diffraction mechanism from his new atomic model's viewpoint at other part of his book. You can see the following statement from the preface of the book (http://www.yoonsatom.net). "....... How can X-Rays and Gamma-Rays have corpuscular character as they propagate through the space? It is due to the reason these rays with the shortest wavelengths are emitted from the innermost electron rings of atoms of inside layers building material systems, so they have to build diffraction beams, as they pass through material systems. In contrast, visible lights are emitted from material surface, so they decrease their intensity uniformly obeying the inverse square distance rule, as they propagate through the space. That is why X-Rays and Gamma-rays behave like corpuscles. ......" Dr. Hansik Yoon also explained the diffraction of Light as well as refraction of Light, stating that the refraction of light is NOT due to the speed difference of lights propagating in different material systems with different densities. |
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In article . com,
"newedana" wrote: I found that Dr. Hansik Yoon clearly explained the Diffraction Mechanism of Electrons (or Double Slit Experiment, if you like) and relevant subjects from his new atomic model's viewpoint in the following contents. You found? LOL! So, he effectively disproved the wave-particle dualism and the relativity theory as well as quantum mechanics. You are an idiot. Part II. The Energy World Chapter 1. Dualism of Wave-Corpuscle 1)Louis de Broglei's Electron 2)How can Moving Electron have a Wave Character 3)Diffraction Mechanism of Charged Particles 4)Energy Dumping by Charged Particles Accelerated 5)Mass Body Never Reduces its Absolute Mass Dr. Yoon clearly explained the diffraction mechanism of charged particles(electrons) like that: It's not clear and it's not an explanation. Because the charged particles perform a longitudinal oscillation when accelerated, they construct alternative layers of wave phases constructed with faster and slower speeds. When collimated electrons move in parallel and pass through narrow spacing of crystal lattice, they turn out to build numerous spherical waves between which the phase interference takes place. In the case of destructive interference between different speed wave phases make charged particles deflect by right angles. In the case of constructive wave phase interference, charged particles can proceed forward in straight with integrated faster and slower speed. Thus the charged particles can build a diffraction pattern as X-ray does as they pass through the crystal lattice. In short, the mechanism of forming spherical wave fronts by accelerated charged particles is that when their plane wave fronts pass through optical apertures they turn out to be slitted into numerous tiny beams of particle flow. Magnetic fluxes induced by these accelerated charged particles result to bind their shifted electric force fluxes. Spherical wave fronts are thus made possible from accelerated charged particles when their plane wave fronts pass through crystal lattices. So, while the charged particles keep their speed in constant, the orientation angle of electric fluxes does not change due to a balance between the electric repulsion between individual electric force fluxes and the binding force of self-induced magnetic force fluxes. I also found that Dr. Yoon explained the X-Ray Diffraction mechanism from his new atomic model's viewpoint at other part of his book. You can see the following statement from the preface of the book (http://www.yoonsatom.net). "....... How can X-Rays and Gamma-Rays have corpuscular character as they propagate through the space? It is due to the reason these rays with the shortest wavelengths are emitted from the innermost electron rings of atoms of inside layers building material systems, so they have to build diffraction beams, as they pass through material systems. In contrast, visible lights are emitted from material surface, so they decrease their intensity uniformly obeying the inverse square distance rule, as they propagate through the space. That is why X-Rays and Gamma-rays behave like corpuscles. ......" Dr. Hansik Yoon also explained the diffraction of Light as well as refraction of Light, stating that the refraction of light is NOT due to the speed difference of lights propagating in different material systems with different densities. Dr. Yoon might as well say it's magic; it would make as much scientific sense as the above. |
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newedana wrote:
I found that Dr. Hansik Yoon clearly explained the Diffraction Mechanism of Electrons (or Double Slit Experiment, if you like) and relevant subjects from his new atomic model's viewpoint in the following contents. I don't care if he "clearly explains" it or not (and judging from what you quote below, he is anything but clear - he is as vague as one can get!). Can he describe the experimental results *quantitatively*? *That* is the point here. So, he effectively disproved the wave-particle dualism and the relativity theory as well as quantum mechanics. Only if he can explain the observations *quantitatively*. So far, all you have shown was rhetoric and qualitative handwavings. That's not physics. Part II. The Energy World Chapter 1. Dualism of Wave-Corpuscle 1)Louis de Broglei's Electron 2)How can Moving Electron have a Wave Character 3)Diffraction Mechanism of Charged Particles 4)Energy Dumping by Charged Particles Accelerated 5)Mass Body Never Reduces its Absolute Mass Dr. Yoon clearly explained the diffraction mechanism of charged particles(electrons) like that: A lot of rhetoric yet again. Where are the *quantitative* descriptions? Because the charged particles perform a longitudinal oscillation when accelerated, Evidence, please. they construct alternative layers of wave phases constructed with faster and slower speeds. Longitudinal oscillations of a particle moving along has little to do with "wave phases". Add "waves" to the things which Dr. Yoon obviously does not understand. When collimated electrons move in parallel and pass through narrow spacing of crystal lattice, they turn out to build numerous spherical waves How and why should they? between which the phase interference takes place. And how does he explain that one gets interference patterns even if one takes care that only one electron at a time goes through the slits? In the case of destructive interference between different speed wave phases make charged particles deflect by right angles. How on earth should that happen? How can two particles moving in the same directions lead to a deflection at a right angle? Ever heard of the conservation of momentum? In the case of constructive wave phase interference, charged particles can proceed forward in straight with integrated faster and slower speed. What does "integrated" mean here? Thus the charged particles can build a diffraction pattern as X-ray does as they pass through the crystal lattice. Handwaving combined with a lot of unsupported assertions and plain nonsensical statements. And *this* you call a clear explanation? You have strange standards. In short, the mechanism of forming spherical wave fronts by accelerated charged particles is that when their plane wave fronts pass through optical apertures they turn out to be slitted into numerous tiny beams of particle flow. And how exactly does this work? Magnetic fluxes induced by these accelerated charged particles result to bind their shifted electric force fluxes. And how exactly does this work? Spherical wave fronts are thus made possible from accelerated charged particles when their plane wave fronts pass through crystal lattices. Agreed. Hint: that's simply Huyghen's principle. We don't need Dr. Yoon's strange ideas to explain that. So, while the charged particles keep their speed in constant, the orientation angle of electric fluxes does not change due to a balance between the electric repulsion between individual electric force fluxes and the binding force of self-induced magnetic force fluxes. Incomprehensible. I also found that Dr. Yoon explained the X-Ray Diffraction mechanism from his new atomic model's viewpoint at other part of his book. You can see the following statement from the preface of the book (http://www.yoonsatom.net). "....... How can X-Rays and Gamma-Rays have corpuscular character as they propagate through the space? It is due to the reason these rays with the shortest wavelengths are emitted from the innermost electron rings of atoms of inside layers building material systems, Gamma rays come from the nucleus, not from the electrons surrounding it. as they pass through material systems. so they have to build diffraction beams, What is a "diffraction beam", and *why* do they have to build that? In contrast, visible lights are emitted from material surface, Huh??? Does he mean from the outer electrons, or what??? so they decrease their intensity uniformly obeying the inverse square distance rule, as they propagate through the space. How on earth does that follow??? Oh, BTW, X-rays and gamma rays also obey the inverse square rule. Yet another thing which Dr. Yoon apparently does not know. That is why X-Rays and Gamma-rays behave like corpuscles. ......" Pardon????????????? Where in the above did Dr. Yoon explain why X-Rays and gamma rays behave like corpuscles??? And, BTW: visible light *also* behaves like (composed of) corpuscles. Dr. Yoon should look up the photo effect. Dr. Hansik Yoon also explained the diffraction of Light as well as refraction of Light, stating that the refraction of light is NOT due to the speed difference of lights propagating in different material systems with different densities. Bad for him, since the light speed in materials have been actually *measured*. Summary of your post: no explanations, no quantitative descriptions, only vague handwavings, unsupported assertions, nonsensical statements, huge jumps in logic, and an amazing display of ignorance. How on earth did Yoon manage to obtain a PhD? He apparenty knows less than many layman crackpots. Bye, Bjoern |
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You better read Dr. yoon's article published in 1987 Apr in Nature
(magmillan Co. London) as a letter form titled" Fiber Synthesis by Growth-Packing" as a star article( shown at News and view column in the same issue). It is a polymer physics discribing a simulation experiment of forming native fibers such as wood pulp or cotton fibers, or proterin animal fibers such as wool or your hair, utilizing aromatic polyamides. I believe his article was a monumental work in the history of physical chemistry. Herhaps you may be also skeptical why his experiment can be a monumental work, and how did Nature publish his manuscript as a star article. I know early that QM man cannot differenciate the acoustic wave from electromagnetic wave. And also cannot differenciate the electron from light in term of forming wave. In your idea light is corpuscles, but in Dr Yoon's idea light is an electromagnetic wave which is continuous in character, forming numerous layers of concentric spherical wave fronts surounding its source. Your QM man believes that light is corpuscular photons which can travel in the vacant space with their momentum given by its source, as though a batted baseball flying in the sky, but Dr. Yoon thinks that light propagation is an equilibrating process of electromagnetic energy emitted by atoms building light source. In Dr.Yoon's idea electron can coexist with protons in nuclear structure, but your QM man does not accept such an idea. That is, Dr. Yoon has entirely different idea from yours, and so can say that gammer rays can be emitted by oscillating electron rings at the nearest site of nucleus. He estimated theoretically that the electron ring with 1/431 of radius of that emitting Lyman series of hydrogen spectrum, can emit such gammer rays. You better go to the library of Chicago University and read his text. Diffracted x-ray behaves like corpuscles, and cannot propagate by inverse square distance rule. newedana says to Bjoen Feuerbacher. |
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Your quantum physicists do not know in reality how can the orbital
electron of atoms generate electromagnetic waves with wavelengths ranging from gammer rays to microwaves. You better read Dr.Yoon's text. You will find how beautifully he could explain the mechanism of generating such electromaghetic waves with a variety of wavelengths by atoms. The mechanism is exactly the same as that of generating radio waves with a RC resonant circuit. Perhaps you will find that how scientific is his explanation. You admit that gammer rays, x-rays, Uv, visible lights infrared, micro waves and radio waves are all included in the same family of electromagnetic energy waves. So they should have the same mechanism of generating them by orbital electrons, right? Then have you ever heard such a science decribing the mechanism of generating a variety of electromagnetic wave by atoms? But, perhaps you may have no doubt, microwaves constructing proton NMR( nuclear magnetic resonance) spectrum are generated by protons magnetically resonated by field magnetism, because QM theory says so. But according to Dr. Yoon's science it is a big mistate! I am sure you would say, how on earth did Yoon manage to obtain a PhD. He apparenty knows less than many layman crackpots. However Dr. Yoon says in his book, quantum mechanical interpretation of emitting NMR is one of the biggest lie in the history of human science. The signal of NMR spectrum has nothing to do with proton's magnetic resonance. It also comes from the orbital electron ring of hydrogen atom. QM physicists are quite ignorant as to the dimension of proton, compared with a hydrogen atom. It has merely 1/10^15 of hydrogen atom. Do you know how large is the dimension of microwave's wavelength? It is 0,1mm to 10 dm. really huge compared to the dimension of proton. In the standard text, hydrogen atom can generate electromagnetic waves with wavlength of maximum 1,23 micron. So such a tiny sized proton can never generate microwaves with such a huge wavelengths. It appears that the quantum mechanists could say this kind of big lie during the last 20th century, because they are completely ignorant for the mechanism of generating electromagnetic waves by atoms, and even for radio waves generated by RC resonant circuits. I find in his book it is explaind very scientifically the mechanism of emitting and absorbing microwaves by electron rings of hydrogen atoms involved in test chemicals, with the aid of field magnetism, which construct so called NMR spectrum. newedana says to Bjoen Feuerbacher |
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newedana wrote:
Your quantum physicists do not know in reality how can the orbital electron of atoms generate electromagnetic waves with wavelengths ranging from gammer rays to microwaves. 1) The word is "gamma". You make that error persisently. 2) I don't know what you mean with "orbital electron". 3) No one claims that electrons in atoms can generate gamma rays. The best one can get from them are x-rays. 4) The generation of all these types of radiation is very well understood. Thousands of theoretical and experimental studies are done on that every single year. I know of no discrepancy between theory and experiment. You better read Dr.Yoon's text. Present some quantitative results of him and the derivations leading to them instead of mere rhetoric, then I'll think about this. You will find how beautifully he could explain the mechanism of generating such electromaghetic waves with a variety of wavelengths by atoms. Is this "explanation" on the same level of vagueness and contains as many unsupported assertions and falsehoods as his "explanation" of diffraction? The mechanism is exactly the same as that of generating radio waves with a RC resonant circuit. Can he explain the observations *quantitatively* with his model? Perhaps you will find that how scientific is his explanation. Science is about explaining observations quantitatively. Can he do that, or can't he? How long will you evade this question? You admit that gammer rays, x-rays, Uv, visible lights infrared, micro waves and radio waves are all included in the same family of electromagnetic energy waves. Drop the "energy" in the last term, then this makes sense. So they should have the same mechanism of generating them by orbital electrons, right? Non sequitur. Then have you ever heard such a science decribing the mechanism of generating a variety of electromagnetic wave by atoms? Yes. It's called atomic and nuclear physics. But, perhaps you may have no doubt, microwaves constructing proton NMR( nuclear magnetic resonance) spectrum are generated by protons magnetically resonated by field magnetism, because QM theory says so. No, because observations says so. But according to Dr. Yoon's science it is a big mistate! If he can explain the observations *quantitatively* with his model, he is free to show his work. So far, you have shown merely rhetoric from him. I am sure you would say, how on earth did Yoon manage to obtain a PhD. Yes, I wonder that a bit. But I've also already seen other brilliant experimental scientists with little clue of theory... He apparenty knows less than many layman crackpots. I don't know how much he knows in his field of expertise (experimental physical chemistry, apparently). But obviously he doesn't know much outside of that field of expertise. However Dr. Yoon says in his book, quantum mechanical interpretation of emitting NMR is one of the biggest lie in the history of human science. How lies, specifically? And why do the observations agree so nicely with the theoretical predictions? The signal of NMR spectrum has nothing to do with proton's magnetic resonance. It also comes from the orbital electron ring of hydrogen atom. If he can explain the observations *quantitatively* with his model, he is free to show his work. So far, you have shown merely rhetoric from him. QM physicists are quite ignorant as to the dimension of proton, compared with a hydrogen atom. Wrong. It has merely 1/10^15 of hydrogen atom. Volume? Do you know how large is the dimension of microwave's wavelength? It is 0,1mm to 10 dm. really huge compared to the dimension of proton. Indeed. In the standard text, hydrogen atom can generate electromagnetic waves with wavlength of maximum 1,23 micron. So such a tiny sized proton can never generate microwaves with such a huge wavelengths. Non sequitur. Since when does the size of the emitter determine the wavelength of the emitted wave? [snip repetitions] Bye, Bjoern |
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In article .com,
"newedana" wrote: Your quantum physicists do not know in reality how can the orbital electron of atoms generate electromagnetic waves with wavelengths ranging from gammer rays to microwaves. You better read Dr.Yoon's text. You're an idiot. A blooming idiot. You will find how beautifully he could explain the mechanism of generating such electromaghetic waves with a variety of wavelengths by atoms. The mechanism is exactly the same as that of generating radio waves with a RC resonant circuit. Perhaps you will find that how scientific is his explanation. You admit that gammer rays, x-rays, Uv, visible lights infrared, micro waves and radio waves are all included in the same family of electromagnetic energy waves. So they should have the same mechanism of generating them by orbital electrons, right? Then have you ever heard such a science decribing the mechanism of generating a variety of electromagnetic wave by atoms? But, perhaps you may have no doubt, microwaves constructing proton NMR( nuclear magnetic resonance) spectrum are generated by protons magnetically resonated by field magnetism, because QM theory says so. But according to Dr. Yoon's science it is a big mistate! I am sure you would say, how on earth did Yoon manage to obtain a PhD. He apparenty knows less than many layman crackpots. However Dr. Yoon says in his book, quantum mechanical interpretation of emitting NMR is one of the biggest lie in the history of human science. The signal of NMR spectrum has nothing to do with proton's magnetic resonance. It also comes from the orbital electron ring of hydrogen atom. QM physicists are quite ignorant as to the dimension of proton, compared with a hydrogen atom. It has merely 1/10^15 of hydrogen atom. Do you know how large is the dimension of microwave's wavelength? It is 0,1mm to 10 dm. really huge compared to the dimension of proton. In the standard text, hydrogen atom can generate electromagnetic waves with wavlength of maximum 1,23 micron. So such a tiny sized proton can never generate microwaves with such a huge wavelengths. It appears that the quantum mechanists could say this kind of big lie during the last 20th century, because they are completely ignorant for the mechanism of generating electromagnetic waves by atoms, and even for radio waves generated by RC resonant circuits. I find in his book it is explaind very scientifically the mechanism of emitting and absorbing microwaves by electron rings of hydrogen atoms involved in test chemicals, with the aid of field magnetism, which construct so called NMR spectrum. newedana says to Bjoen Feuerbacher Dr. Yoon is a quack. |
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newedana wrote:
I notice you did, as usual, not bother to answer any of my questions for evidence, formulas etc., and ignored all my arguments. You better read Dr. yoon's article published in 1987 Apr in Nature (magmillan Co. London) as a letter form titled" Fiber Synthesis by Growth-Packing" as a star article( shown at News and view column in the same issue). It is a polymer physics discribing a simulation experiment of forming native fibers such as wood pulp or cotton fibers, or proterin animal fibers such as wool or your hair, utilizing aromatic polyamides. I believe his article was a monumental work in the history of physical chemistry. Nice for him. But why do you think that someone who is able to do great experiments in physical chemistry is also qualified to set up theoretical models? Herhaps you may be also skeptical why his experiment can be a monumental work, and how did Nature publish his manuscript as a star article. No. I am well aware that people can be great experimenters and nevertheless write nonsense on theory. Plichta or Galeczki&Marquardt come to mind. I know early that QM man cannot differenciate the acoustic wave from electromagnetic wave. I have no clue what on earth this is supposed to mean. And also cannot differenciate the electron from light in term of forming wave. Or that. In your idea light is corpuscles, but in Dr Yoon's idea light is an electromagnetic wave which is continuous in character, Wrong. Get an education. Try understanding what "wave-particle dualism" means. How does Dr. Yoon explain the photo effect and the Compton effect? forming numerous layers of concentric spherical wave fronts surounding its source. BFD. Huyghens wrote this already centuries ago. Your QM man Who? believes that light is corpuscular photons Wrong. Get an education. Try understanding what "wave-particle dualism" means. which can travel in the vacant space with their momentum given by its source, Hey, you got that right, congratulations! as though a batted baseball flying in the sky, Wrong. Get an education. Try understanding what "wave-particle dualism" means. but Dr. Yoon thinks that light propagation is an equilibrating process of electromagnetic energy emitted by atoms building light source. How does Dr. Yoon explain the photo effect and the Compton effect? In Dr.Yoon's idea electron can coexist with protons in nuclear structure, How does he explain Hofstadter's results on the structure of nuclei, protons and neutrons? but your QM man does not accept such an idea. Because it has experimentally shown to be wrong. That is, Dr. Yoon has entirely different idea from yours, And his idea has experimentally shown to be wrong over 50 years ago already. Someone doing great experiments on physical chemistry shouldn't try to set up a theory about nuclei without checking at least the *basics* of the literature on all the experiments done there! and so can say that gammer rays can be emitted by oscillating electron rings at the nearest site of nucleus. Can he explain the observations *quantitatively* based on this idea? He estimated theoretically that the electron ring with 1/431 of radius of that emitting Lyman series of hydrogen spectrum, can emit such gammer rays. Please show the derivation. And please show the evidence that such rings exist. Please explain all the observations which show that in contrast, *orbitals* do in fact exist. You better go to the library of Chicago University and read his text. Why should I, as long as you present only rhetoric and ignore most questions and arguments and evidence? Diffracted x-ray behaves like corpuscles, and cannot propagate by inverse square distance rule. But it was *experimentally* *shown* that x-rays obey the inverse square rule. In fact, this is checked routinely in *many* undergrad lab courses in physics in thousands of universities wordlwide! newedana says to Bjoen Feuerbacher. Displaying his ignorance and his denial of reality yet again. Bye, Bjoern |
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