The Sarah Palin - Confederate Civil War Terrorist Connection

The Sarah Palin - Civil War Terrorist Connection

Hey terrorism supporters, have you taken those confederate flags down
off of your pickup trucks and your Harley Davidson motorcycles yet?

They label you for what you are - fascists, terrorism supporters.

"Vietnam Protester" wrote in message
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The Sarah Palin - Civil War Terrorist Connection

Hey terrorism supporters, have you taken those confederate flags down
off of your pickup trucks and your Harley Davidson motorcycles yet?

They label you for what you are - fascists, terrorism supporters.

To my eye, Palin is unique: a virulent mundane. And in
my view, she's relevant to sci.space.policy. I have seen
one report she's a millennialist, that is, she believes
the Christian Rapture and related events will take place
in her lifetime. My first thought is, that's scary, what
if McCain dies (which he seems near to); she's President,
and we have an international crisis and there's her thumb
on the Big Red nuclear Button? ??

Which is terribly relevant today, but off this newsgroup's
topic. However, one can move on with plausible assessments
of Palin to ask, what will be her attitude toward space
settlements or even exploration? ??

And I think, if Bush didn't kill it, she probably won't,
but neither will it go anywhere while she's in office. It
is a bad scenario, when we have lagged far behind the rest
of the world. The world have grown while we ...didn't.
Will the Solar System language in coming centuries be
Mandarin Chinese? It seems to be what Palin would choose.

Titeotwawki -- mha [sci.space.policy 2008 Oct 12]

Martha Adams wrote:
"Vietnam Protester" wrote in message
...
The Sarah Palin - Civil War Terrorist Connection

Hey terrorism supporters, have you taken those confederate flags down
off of your pickup trucks and your Harley Davidson motorcycles yet?

They label you for what you are - fascists, terrorism supporters.

To my eye, Palin is unique: a virulent mundane. And in
my view, she's relevant to sci.space.policy. I have seen
one report she's a millennialist, that is, she believes
the Christian Rapture and related events will take place
in her lifetime. My first thought is, that's scary, what
if McCain dies (which he seems near to); she's President,
and we have an international crisis and there's her thumb
on the Big Red nuclear Button? ??

Which is terribly relevant today, but off this newsgroup's
topic. However, one can move on with plausible assessments
of Palin to ask, what will be her attitude toward space
settlements or even exploration? ??

And I think, if Bush didn't kill it, she probably won't,
but neither will it go anywhere while she's in office. It
is a bad scenario, when we have lagged far behind the rest
of the world. The world have grown while we ...didn't.
Will the Solar System language in coming centuries be
Mandarin Chinese? It seems to be what Palin would choose.

[removing alt.politics.bush]

Sorry, I've been having a hard time penetrating through to the usenet,
it's like my IP is under attack. When you see trillions upon trillions
of dollars of wealth which was painfully and destructively extracted out
of the environment and biosphere of the planet, suddenly evaporate into
a flux of electrons, it does give one pause for thought. Then when you
look at the beliefs, views and philosophies of the people who think they
are managing this global fiasco in a rational or empirical manner, its
clear that we are approaching another colossal science verses religion
battle here, one that nobody besides myself and a few others are waging.

Others brush it off as fear and hate, but it goes to their core beliefs.

These people feel they are ENTITLED to a life they know nothing about.
I'm not talking about the poor and huddled masses and the legions of
welfare and entitlement recipients, they have legitimate excuses, and
they're living on shoestrings already, but I'm talking about the lower
to middle working class people all the way up to the top, those people
who have been directly benefitting from the oil economy of yesteryears.

Our civilization runs on oil and gas, and we have vastly exceeded the
capabilities Earth's naturally evolved biosystems to accommodate it.

They're response is that they don't believe in evolution, god gave us
the good life, we are gonna keep the good life, and if you even think
about taking the good life away from us, we hate you and we'll kill you.

It matters not which religion, cult or sect the general idea originated.
It's a fairly common theme through history, we all know it as fascism.

Now to the topic. The oil and gas was supposed to be applied to space
colonization. I wrote a letter about it way back in 1986 right after the
Challenger disaster. That letter is archived in the Library of Congress.

How are we gonna accomplish that now that half of the reserves went up
in smoke, along with all of the wealth that it had ultimately created,
at the horrible expense of our environmental and evolutionary systems?

It gets a lot worse, but lets focus on the positives. Elon Musk has some
hardware he is working on, and Mr. B has a plan. I call it 'Plan B'.

As far as this meltdown goes, it can only be a good thing, but we need
to stop the American fascist movement in its tracks, and make some
Constitutional changes so that this kind of **** doesn't happen again,
and then we need to NATIONALIZE both science and space as our goals.

In lieu of that, you know the outcome. NASA and NOAA are lost already.

It's all about value. Since I understand that I am a mammal glued to the
surface of a planet with a molten core, by the immense force of gravity,
and that I have to breath oxygen continuously, drink water regularly and
EAT DAILY, then I place value on those things, and where they come from.

Now add temperature, pressure and fluxes to that list of necessities.

Don't take anything for granted, add predators as well. That's where our
illiterate and fascist friends come in. They want theirs, no sharing!

These people have built vast temples to their vanity, and have
completely taken for granted the underlying physics of existence.

Vast temples in space aren't gonna help you much without the dirt.

I think I finally figured out the Miracle of Fatima.

It was a demonstration of an asteroid impact.

"kT" wrote in message ...
Martha Adams wrote:
"Vietnam Protester" wrote in message


Sorry, I've been having a hard time penetrating through to the usenet, it's
like my IP is under attack. When you see trillions upon trillions of dollars
of wealth which was painfully and destructively extracted out of the
environment and biosphere of the planet, suddenly evaporate into a flux of
electrons, it does give one pause for thought.


It's not evaporating, it's a monstrous transfer of wealth.
From the unsuspecting to those paying attention.
A 40% world wide clip off the top. They're a lot
of people getting very wealthy as we speak
buying up what they can while it's so low.

Prices have to change for anyone to make money.


As far as this meltdown goes, it can only be a good thing,


No, the meltdown or panic sell was due to a primary economic
variable which had become unstable. That's not good. However
the experience can bring new knowledge and mechanisms
to prevent a repeat down the road. You have yet to learn the
primary impetus for the evolution of the physical and living
worlds. Whenever a system is pushed far enough from
equilibrium to the brink, edge or phase transistion state.
Then new problem solving mechanisms spontaneously
emerge. The system 'evolves' as a result of being pushed
to the edge.

This is true for all complex adaptive systems in the universe
including the universe as a whole.


but we need to stop the American fascist movement in its tracks, and make some
Constitutional changes so that this kind of **** doesn't happen again,


Again, you fail to see how nature works. This panic sell is following
the very same pattern I derived from complexity science several
years ago. This pattern is /one of two/ universal pre images which
form approaching the edge. Literally half the all the stocks
in the market...today...show my pattern. I've been claiming
this is a universal pattern for several years, and now that
the pattern IS INDEED UNIVERSAL, since every damn ticker
is showing this same pattern RIGHT NOW, proves my idea.

And to an extent I find rather spooky. But what this means
when the market is following this universal pattern is that
it's behaving as a complex adaptive system....SHOULD
behave under these exact circumstances, or level of
system wide uncertainty.

It's very reassuring to me to see the market behave in this
way, not for the drop which hurts a lot of people, but for
the fact this behavior ....is natural. To act to prevent
natural behavior in the market is the big mistake, that
is fascism. The solution is in understanding how the
panic began. By not recognizing that non-linear or cascading
behavior easily emerges from an unstable primary system variable.
For instance, changing the amount of sunlight hitting the
earth, sunlight is a primary system variable. And changing it
effects countless other variables and in unpredictable
ways. A slight change can create massive effects...
sensitivity to intial conditions or the butterfly effect.


Every system has TWO primary driving forces, a static
and chaotic tendency.

The credit industry is just such a primary variable, while
consumer confidence is the other I would think.
The static (fixed rules) and the chaotic (freedom of choice).

Those two need more self correcting mechanisms than
any others.


and then we need to NATIONALIZE both science and space as our goals.


FASCIST g




In lieu of that, you know the outcome. NASA and NOAA are lost already.

It's all about value. Since I understand that I am a mammal glued to the
surface of a planet with a molten core, by the immense force of gravity, and
that I have to breath oxygen continuously, drink water regularly and EAT
DAILY, then I place value on those things, and where they come from.

Now add temperature, pressure and fluxes to that list of necessities.

Don't take anything for granted, add predators as well. That's where our
illiterate and fascist friends come in. They want theirs, no sharing!

These people have built vast temples to their vanity, and have completely
taken for granted the underlying physics of existence.


No, some people realize that reality is not objective.
That our subjective relationship is an equal partner
and far easier to alter to our desires.

Everyone has to find their own peace of mind.
The processes of evolution in nature show us
how to improve ourselves. A constant state
of personal improvement provides and endless
source of hope.

This is the only rational way to find Heaven on Earth.
Or a Utopian existence.




Vast temples in space aren't gonna help you much without the dirt.

I think I finally figured out the Miracle of Fatima.

It was a demonstration of an asteroid impact.


Miracle of Fatima? Clouds in front of the sun?
I bet it looked like this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-H3xlKU1gA

In article ,
"jonathan" wrote:

No, some people realize that reality is not objective.
That our subjective relationship is an equal partner
and far easier to alter to our desires.

That "realization" has no place in the sci.* heirarchy.

"Alan Anderson" wrote in message
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In article ,
"jonathan" wrote:

No, some people realize that reality is not objective.
That our subjective relationship is an equal partner
and far easier to alter to our desires.

That "realization" has no place in the sci.* heirarchy.

Why not? I would say my post is far more on topic
than your unjustified and unexplained flame.

Or can you explain why the subjective aspect of reality
isn't relevant to science?

And does science encourage narrow minds?

Mr. Defender of Science, prove your statement!

And it's spelled hierarchy btw.


s

On Oct 13, 7:15 pm, "jonathan" wrote:

It's not evaporating, it's a monstrous transfer of wealth.
From the unsuspecting to those paying attention.
A 40% world wide clip off the top.

However
the experience can bring new knowledge and mechanisms
to prevent a repeat down the road.

It's very reassuring to me to see the market behave in this
way, not for the drop which hurts a lot of people, but for
the fact this behavior ....is natural. To act to prevent
natural behavior in the market is the big mistake, that
is fascism.

Which is it? Is it nature taking its course, or is it rich people
stealing from the rest of us? Is avoiding such things a good thing or
fascist?

But the latter 'contradiction' isn't really - I think you're saying
that it would be fascist to prevent wild speculation from being
punished, but good to prevent such an unbalance to build up.

What would be nice would be for the market to reflect, directly, only
real factors - so the price of grain would go up only if there was a
bad harvest, never because of speculative investment. So that stock
market panics never get in the way of employing people to do
productive labor.

And, yes, we *could* achieve that. Very simply. Outlaw borrowing money
- except in small amounts for personal use until payday.

That's really what brings this sort of thing about.

1) Because we need to build big armies to defend ourselves against
other countries, we need big factories.

2) So laws were made - back when England and Holland were fighting
each other over mastery of the seas - to make it possible for rich men
to borrow money to build shipyards and the like... using the shipyard
they are going to build as the bulk of the collateral.

3) So, if something happens, like peace breaking out, so that the
value of the shipyard decreases... suddenly an *awful lot* of money
has to be paid back to the bank in a big hurry.

And people can buy stock, and be protected against the debts the
companies they own run up, and they can even borrow money to buy
stock.

When you buy stock on borrowed money, you don't have much choice about
selling if the price goes down.

Trouble is, if there was no borrowed money in the system, then instead
of having the factory now and paying for it later, they'd have to save
up for the factory and then pay to have it built. So, at any given
point in time, there would be fewer factories. We would all be poorer.

Except, since the hands that can build the factory are there whether
or not pieces of paper get borrowed, there indeed can be an
alternative to having this kind of vulnerability to speculation as the
price of using the available value in the economy.

John Savard

Martha Adams wrote:

To my eye, Palin is unique: a virulent mundane.

Many mundanes become virulent due to their anger at being mundane. Then
they go hunting for some huge secret conspiracy on "their" part that
kept them mundane...despite their innate brilliance and unequaled
understanding of how the world "really" works.
The Nazis understood that concept fully, and used it to the hilt when
they got the SA up and running.
Nowadays, it assures a large radio audiance for "Coast To Coast AM", as
well as getting McCain supporters yelling at their own candidate for not
being virulent enough in his attacks on Obama.
Doesn't he understand the depths of the huge and sinister global plot
that Obama is the front man for?
Or is _McCain_ part of it too?
Who can one trust?
Why, it's obvious...The Great Independent!: http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/
Ten feet tall, and white and pure as driven snow.
He's mad as hell....and he's not going to take it anymore! :-D

Pat

On Oct 12, 6:31*pm, "Martha Adams" wrote:
"Vietnam Protester" wrote in message

...

The Sarah Palin - Civil War Terrorist Connection

Hey terrorism supporters, have you taken those confederate flags down
off of your pickup trucks and your Harley Davidson motorcycles yet?

They label you for what you are - fascists, terrorism supporters.

To my eye, Palin is unique: a virulent mundane. *And in
my view, she's relevant to sci.space.policy. *I have seen
one report she's a millennialist, that is, she believes
the Christian Rapture and related events will take place
in her lifetime. *My first thought is, that's scary, what
if McCain dies (which he seems near to); she's President,
and we have an international crisis and there's her thumb
on the Big Red nuclear Button? *??

Which is terribly relevant today, but off this newsgroup's
topic. *However, one can move on with plausible assessments
of Palin to ask, what will be her attitude toward space
settlements or even exploration? *??

And I think, if Bush didn't kill it, she probably won't,
but neither will it go anywhere while she's in office. *It
is a bad scenario, when we have lagged far behind the rest
of the world. *The world have grown while we ...didn't.
Will the Solar System language in coming centuries be
Mandarin Chinese? *It seems to be what Palin would choose.

Titeotwawki -- mha *[sci.space.policy 2008 Oct 12]

Sorry Martha, it is your focus that is on the mundane...the silly
issues that many Americans also focus upon. Nobody is even addressing
the real base of the current problem. That is, the near total
destruction of our national productivity base that has obscenely been
allowed to take place gradually over the past 30 years.

Lets go back to the basics. The national economy is the direct
consequence of national productivity. Any book on economics will tell
you that, but this very basic fact is being totally ignored. The
reality is this: Without this productivity base the economy of any
nation will decline to the point where it will approach the status of
any other non-productive 3rd world country. What this means to the
readers of sci.physics is simply that there will be no funding
available for any optional activities, and what is available will be
almost entirely devoted to the national defense and public welfare
programs. Our national infrastructure will continue to decline, as no
money will be available to maintain them. Our infrastructure will
decline to a state of being patched together using duct tape, tie
wraps, and chewing gum! Obviously, space exploration and fundamental
research will go to the bottom of our national priority list. Gone
unchecked, this route will continue until the US economy asymtopically
approaches that of Japan and German at the end of World War II. and at
that point one of two things will take place. You should be
intelligent enough to figure out what these are.

What troubles me more than the depletion of our national productivity
base is the fact that no political candidate running for office has
the intestional fortitude to directly address the real problem. or the
mentality needed to suggest a proposed solution. It is in times like
today that we need a man in charge like FDR or JFK who, knowing their
own limitations, surrounded themselves with the best and brightest
minds alive. I really don't see either Obama or McCane doing that,
which is a serious problem for me. (I tend to lean towards McCane,
simply because he is a man who likely knows his own limitations, and
who is more likely to surround himself with informed experts...experts
on subjects other than politics.)

Now the fact is, whether I like it or not, it was General MacArthur
who jump-started the recovery of Japan at the end of WWII. [I was
never personally a big fan of MacArthur because I believed he tended
to be a poser and typical politician driven by personal ambition,
still I have to give him the full credit for leading Japan's post-war
recovery/reconstruction.] Unfortunately, it's become time to jump
start the US economy, and it will be painful for many, still sometimes
a diseased limb requires amputation to save the life of its owner.

Here are a few suggestions, with the first and most importent goal as
the reconstruction of our productivity base.

--- Place heavy restrictive tariffs on the importation of all foreign
made products -- the tariff should be based on the difference between
the labor cost differential between the country of product origin
and that in the US.
--- Totally prohibit the importation of steel, automotive, and heavy
equipment and machinery
--- Limit imports from each country to the value of US exports to that
country
--- Limit imported petroleum products to the level of that produced
within the US
--- Prohibit the exportation of US petroleum, with the exception of
derived, finished products
--- Prohibit the exportation of timber products harvested within the
US, except finished products
--- Fund the redevelopment of the US steel industry, shipyards,
machine tool and heavy equipment producers
--- Fund redeveopment of the US consumer electronics product industry
--- Encourage oil and natural gas exploritory drilling, and reward new
major finds with a bonus
--- Ease current restrictions on open pit coal mining, but continue
site restoration requirements
--- Fund construction of new nuclear power generation facilities, and
ease licensing restrictions
--- Prohibit foreign ownership of US real estate
--- Limit foreign investment in US corporations to a maximum of 20%
--- Fund the development of small start-up firms to produce computers
and other consumer electronics products
--- Limit corporate ownership of farms based and impose a limit on
total acres that can be owned or leased
--- Provide loans for equipment improvement to individual farmers
cultivating less than 500 acres

Now that is a plan. You may like it or you may disagee. The problem
that I have is that no political candidate has address the underlying
issues of the current economic breakdown, nor offered any proposed
solution.

Lou Dobbs, where are you when we need you, since you seem to be the
only person that seems to understand the problem?

Harry C.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:49:53 -0700 (PDT), in a place far, far away,
" made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Here are a few suggestions, with the first and most importent goal as
the reconstruction of our productivity base.

--- Place heavy restrictive tariffs on the importation of all foreign
made products -- the tariff should be based on the difference between
the labor cost differential between the country of product origin
and that in the US.
--- Totally prohibit the importation of steel, automotive, and heavy
equipment and machinery
--- Limit imports from each country to the value of US exports to that
country
--- Limit imported petroleum products to the level of that produced
within the US
--- Prohibit the exportation of US petroleum, with the exception of
derived, finished products
--- Prohibit the exportation of timber products harvested within the
US, except finished products

snip

--- Prohibit foreign ownership of US real estate
--- Limit foreign investment in US corporations to a maximum of 20%
--- Fund the development of small start-up firms to produce computers
and other consumer electronics products
--- Limit corporate ownership of farms based and impose a limit on
total acres that can be owned or leased
--- Provide loans for equipment improvement to individual farmers
cultivating less than 500 acres

Now that is a plan. You may like it or you may disagee.

I disagree. Hooverian/Rooseveltian economic insanity like this is
exactly what made the Great Depression great.