John Kerry Rejects Going Back to the Moon, on to Mars

"What we need to do as we enter this dawn of the 21st century, is not talk
about going to the Moon or even to Mars. We need to go to the Moon right
here on Earth by creating the jobs, building the high value-added jobs of
the future, making clear that no young American in uniform ever ought to be
held hostage to America's dependence on oil in the Middle East," he said.

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A vote for Kerry appears to be a vote to keep Western Civilization planet
bound and to yield the future to the Chinese.

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Mark R. Whittington
http://curmudgeons.blogspot.com
Co-author of Nocturne, a Novel of Suspense
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Author of Children of Apollo
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In article . net,
says...
"What we need to do as we enter this dawn of the 21st century, is not talk
about going to the Moon or even to Mars. We need to go to the Moon right
here on Earth by creating the jobs, building the high value-added jobs of
the future, making clear that no young American in uniform ever ought to be
held hostage to America's dependence on oil in the Middle East," he said.

Yep, renewable energy is one of the most vital things we could develop
but Bush's criminal level of corruption and influence peddling with
Halliburton and the oil industry prevents him from acting in the best
interests of this country. Renewable energy development is a matter of
national defense, but as usual, Bush has sold us down the river on it.



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A vote for Kerry appears to be a vote to keep Western Civilization planet
bound and to yield the future to the Chinese.

You're full of ****. Bush is proposing nothing but unfunded or
underfunded stunts that are complete afterthoughs. Bush has promised to
do everything in the world but he has virtually never followed through,
be adequate education funding, promised levels of AIDS research, serious
fuel cell research, or even giving proper attention to homeland security.
We will go to other planets when the appropriate, economical technology
has been developed and not before. Morons, like yourself, who think that
we can go before we are ready simply don't grasp reality. But then
you're just a poorly educated, racist repug asswipe anyway, so that's not
surprising. Kerry will be the next president and I hope George W. Bush
rots in prison for the rest of his miserable life.


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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:26:29 -0700, quibbler
wrote:

..... Bush is proposing nothing but unfunded or
underfunded stunts that are complete afterthoughs .....

A permanent presence on the Moon and a Mars mission that by defintion
requires a base of some sorts, both of which can inspire the world and
future generations, are not stunts, they are investments.


..... We will go to other planets when the appropriate, economical technology
has been developed and not before .....

And when will that be? 50 years, 100, 1000?

Saying "we will go when the technology is ready" is like saying
Columbus should not have sailed because transatlantic jets weren't
available, or Lewis and Clark should not have gone on their famous
trek until interstate highways and offroad vehicles had been built.
Yet if they hadn't gone when they did, would their have been anyone on
this continent to build interstate highways, off road vehicles, and
jets? Maybe Jaques Cousteau should have waited until someone cooked
up something better than the SCUBA gear he'd invented before doing
deep sea exploration? Maybe NASA should not have launched the Spirit
and Opportunity rovers, instead waiting for production model androids
capable of acting with minimal instructions to be developed, delivered
to Mars in a few days on matter/anti-matter rockets? What about any
historical scientists you admire? Should they have given up their
pursuits because they lacked modern equipment, and gone to work in
soup kitchens or orphanages until 'the time was right' to do science?

You don't go on journeys of exploration and discovery by waiting for
new technology to come along -- you do it by going when you want to
go, seeing what's out there, and reaping the rewards.


..... But then
you're just a poorly educated, racist repug asswipe anyway ....

Um, among the people who frequent sci.space.policy and other newgroups
in the sci.space.* hierarchy are aerospace engineers and
technologists, all of whom are way smarter than me; as well as
entrepeneurs in the field and the odd space policy wonk. You don't
get to call yourself any of those things by being "uneducated;" you
get there by applying yourself and getting MORE education, lots more.





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In article . net,
"Mark R. Whittington" wrote:

"What we need to do as we enter this dawn of the 21st century, is not talk
about going to the Moon or even to Mars. We need to go to the Moon right
here on Earth by creating the jobs, building the high value-added jobs of
the future, making clear that no young American in uniform ever ought to be
held hostage to America's dependence on oil in the Middle East," he said.

Bummer.

A vote for Kerry appears to be a vote to keep Western Civilization planet
bound and to yield the future to the Chinese.

I wouldn't go that far. Kerry could be in office at most 8 years; a
setback to space development that's minor compared to the damage Bush
could do to our country & plane in another four.

It's a pity we have to choose, though.

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I wouldn't go that far. Kerry could be in office at most 8 years; a
setback to space development that's minor compared to the damage Bush
could do to our country & plane in another four.

It's a pity we have to choose, though.

Kerry wants to "go to the Moon on Earth", you know what that sounds like?

Capricorn One!

Tom

Kerry could be in office at most 8 years; a
setback to space development that's minor compared to the damage Bush
could do to our country & plane in another four.

Damage to the country? You really think Bush steered those jets into NY and DC
three years ago? And Muslim hate for the US way predates even his dad in the
presidency.

Damage to the planet? Doesn't matter. Nature is way bigger than we are and
will still be around after we have evolved out of our present form.
Biodiversity won't matter US$0.05 after the next ice age comes (unless we use
our hard-won global-warming knowledge to stop it).

It's a pity we have to choose, though.

If we want this country to have a future, we need to move on into space, not
waste eight years on yet another Democratic social fantasy.

G EddieA95 wrote:
Kerry could be in office at most 8 years; a
setback to space development that's minor compared to the damage Bush
could do to our country & plane in another four.

Damage to the country? You really think Bush steered those jets into NY and DC
three years ago? And Muslim hate for the US way predates even his dad in the
presidency.

Damage to the planet? Doesn't matter. Nature is way bigger than we are and
will still be around after we have evolved out of our present form.
Biodiversity won't matter US$0.05 after the next ice age comes (unless we use
our hard-won global-warming knowledge to stop it).

Pfffft! Wrong. Having biodervisity would be a great asset if the next ice age
was in fact coming.


It's a pity we have to choose, though.

If we want this country to have a future, we need to move on into space, not
waste eight years on yet another Democratic social fantasy.

Two problems:
* there are no signs that any real 'move on to space' will come from
US government of either party
* its hard to see any long-lasting future from yet more mindless
spending and deficit & dept increasing spree.

--
Sander

+++ Out of cheese error +++

Biodiversity won't matter US$0.05 after the next ice age comes (unless we
use
our hard-won global-warming knowledge to stop it).

Pfffft! Wrong. Having biodervisity would be a great asset if the next ice age
was in fact coming.

Oh, it's coming, unless you can prove that Earth and its atmosphere have
changed in some major, final way since the last one. When it does hit, we will
lose entire ecosystems, let alone species, and not joining T-rex in the fossil
record may well require burning megatons of carbon just to keep the world from
freezing.

move on into space, not
waste eight years on yet another Democratic social fantasy.

Two problems:
* there are no signs that any real 'move on to space' will come from
US government of either party
* its hard to see any long-lasting future from yet more mindless
spending and deficit & dept increasing spree.

So spending mindlessly on social do-gooding is better for the nation, than
spending mindlessly on space? At least the numbers for space are far smaller.

G EddieA95 wrote:
Biodiversity won't matter US$0.05 after the next ice age comes (unless we
use
our hard-won global-warming knowledge to stop it).

Pfffft! Wrong. Having biodervisity would be a great asset if the next ice age
was in fact coming.

Oh, it's coming, unless you can prove that Earth and its atmosphere have
changed in some major, final way since the last one. When it does hit, we will
lose entire ecosystems, let alone species, and not joining T-rex in the fossil

More like morph, not dissapear. Problem is, if you start off low on diversity you
may end up with just a couple of non-human non-domesticated mammal species, one of
which is probably rat.

record may well require burning megatons of carbon just to keep the world from
freezing.

Ice ages are only really a problem for humasns until we are planetbound. If we
still are in a couple of thousand of years, we probably deserve to be present
only in the fossile record. I don't think there is any scenario in which massive
glaciation can occour in decades or even a couple of centuries.


move on into space, not
waste eight years on yet another Democratic social fantasy.

Two problems:
* there are no signs that any real 'move on to space' will come from
US government of either party
* its hard to see any long-lasting future from yet more mindless
spending and deficit & dept increasing spree.

So spending mindlessly on social do-gooding is better for the nation, than
spending mindlessly on space? At least the numbers for space are far smaller.

I didn't say anything about "social do-gooding" which belongs to a side of US
internal policies I don't really care about. Its simply that spending mindlessly
on space will not give you anything but mindless expenditure of money and no
real advancement. So whetever its done or no doesn't make a difference in the end.

--
Sander

+++ Out of cheese error +++

"G EddieA95" wrote in message
...
Biodiversity won't matter US$0.05 after the next ice age comes (unless
we
use
our hard-won global-warming knowledge to stop it).

Pfffft! Wrong. Having biodervisity would be a great asset if the next ice
age
was in fact coming.

Oh, it's coming, unless you can prove that Earth and its atmosphere have
changed in some major, final way since the last one. When it does hit, we
will
lose entire ecosystems, let alone species, and not joining T-rex in the
fossil
record may well require burning megatons of carbon just to keep the world
from
freezing.

move on into space, not
waste eight years on yet another Democratic social fantasy.

Two problems:
* there are no signs that any real 'move on to space' will come from
US government of either party
* its hard to see any long-lasting future from yet more mindless
spending and deficit & dept increasing spree.

So spending mindlessly on social do-gooding is better for the nation, than
spending mindlessly on space? At least the numbers for space are far
smaller.

Rhetoric.

The mindless spending for a non-working missile defense
program without oversight checks in place is an example this
administrations'
ability to **** away money. Your neocons are no more in favor
of space spending than they are of social spending. Bush is just
paying lip service to space, it is just a role he is playing as
scripted for him by his speech writers and political guides.

A pox on both the parties: Rep (reprobate) and Dem (demagogue).
The definition of reprobate ( for G. Eddie AOL) is depraved, corrupt,
and unprincipled.