Global Warming is about giving your government more regulatory powerand your eventual enslavment.

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:45:19 GMT, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:

It's better to say that the value of a human life is "priceless" - we
cannot put a monetary value on a human life.

That might be a somewhat better term, but for me, still not entirely
accurate. Money has "value" to me, and lives have "value", and in the
end those values- in whatever units I imagine them- get translated to
some sort of internalized unit that only make sense to me. So
ultimately, I do place a monetary value on human life. I would readily
give one dollar to save almost everyone (but even here, there are
exceptions). My conditions would get tighter as the dollar figure grew.
I probably would not give $1000 to save an arbitrary stranger with no
connection to me at all. I'd give more for a person of influence that I
believe gives value to all. I'd give more for family. I'd give more for
an adult, less for a child, nearly nothing for a baby. Different people
have different rules, and some might not be honest enough with
themselves or others to admit it, but I think you'd have a hard time
finding anybody who doesn't think this way.


Is that because your dog is a living creature, or is it because you
value your dog so much?

It is because I make no distinction between how I value a person and how
I value a pet. Only on the actual value I internalize. My wife has more
value (to me) than my dog. Most members of my community also have more
value (to me) than my dog. But my dog has more value (to me) than most
strangers whose lives have little impact on my own.


Your house is a thing, right? A big and important thing but still a thing.
Would you offer your house to save the life of a stranger? I believe most
people would not do that.

These are the sort of questions that get discussed in philosophy
classes, and which rarely crop up in real life. I agree with you that
very few people would give up their house to save a stranger, although I
think many of those would claim that they would make this sacrifice.
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On Oct 19, 9:59*am, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:45:19 GMT, (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
It's better to say that the value of a human life is "priceless" - we
cannot put a monetary value on a human life.

That might be a somewhat better term, but for me, still not entirely
accurate. Money has "value" to me, and lives have "value", and in the
end those values- in whatever units I imagine them- get translated to
some sort of internalized unit that only make sense to me. So
ultimately, I do place a monetary value on human life. I would readily
give one dollar to save almost everyone (but even here, there are
exceptions). My conditions would get tighter as the dollar figure grew.
I probably would not give $1000 to save an arbitrary stranger with no
connection to me at all. I'd give more for a person of influence that I
believe gives value to all. I'd give more for family. I'd give more for
an adult, less for a child, nearly nothing for a baby. Different people
have different rules, and some might not be honest enough with
themselves or others to admit it, but I think you'd have a hard time
finding anybody who doesn't think this way.

Is that because your dog is a living creature, or is it because you
value your dog so much?

It is because I make no distinction between how I value a person and how
I value a pet. Only on the actual value I internalize. My wife has more
value (to me) than my dog. Most members of my community also have more
value (to me) than my dog. But my dog has more value (to me) than most
strangers whose lives have little impact on my own.

Your house is a thing, right? *A big and important thing but still a thing.
Would you offer your house to save the life of a stranger? *I believe most
people would not do that.

These are the sort of questions that get discussed in philosophy
classes, and which rarely crop up in real life. I agree with you that
very few people would give up their house to save a stranger, although I
think many of those would claim that they would make this sacrifice.
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com

Why stop with dogs? Why not get some gerbils to fall in love with? Or,
perhaps, cockroaches? They are alive aren't they? Seems they fit your
personality well.

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 07:40:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

so you claim "coasting flooding" will take place with sea levels
rising at a few mm's per year. Interesting.

A few millimeters difference in sea level can be the difference between
minor damage and major flooding during a storm surge. And a few
millimeters per year turns into a truly dangerous rise in just a few
years. Parts of the Gulf Coast and Eastern Seaboard are less than a
meter above sea level for miles from the coast.

An increase of sea levels at this rate has to concern any sensible
person, regardless of whether they believe the cause is man made.
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On Oct 19, 10:33*am, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 07:40:06 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
so you claim "coasting flooding" will take place with sea levels
rising at a few mm's per year. *Interesting.

A few millimeters difference in sea level can be the difference between
minor damage and major flooding during a storm surge. And a few
millimeters per year turns into a truly dangerous rise in just a few
years. Parts of the Gulf Coast and Eastern Seaboard are less than a
meter above sea level for miles from the coast.

An increase of sea levels at this rate has to concern any sensible
person, regardless of whether they believe the cause is man made.
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com

A few mm's per year will take a long time to submerge, say, New York,
don't you think?. And if man-made CO2-driven "global warming" is only
a computer model scenario, why spend trillions of $$ "combating it"
when the money could be put to much more productive uses??

Computer models, BTW a few short months ago were predicting US real
esate would go up forever, the stock market would go up forever, oil
would soon be at $200/ barrel, etc etc

Extending "trends" you think you see well into the future is a fool's
game. "Statistics" are easily manipulated--which you would no if you
any knowledge whatsoever in the area.

I have a different take, however. I don't think you are that dumb--I
think "global warming" is a backdoor, misguided environmental ( Green-
style ) religion that is making cynics such as Al Gore ( who has a
private jet and a 20,000 sq. ft. home with a heated, enclosed swimming
pool ) rich.

I can guarantee Gore thinks folks like you are simpletons.

And the lawyer hate here is amusing;

Obama is a lawyer, his wife is a lawyer, Joe Biden is a lawyer,
Biden's son is a plaintiff's lawyer ( ambulance chaser ) , etc etc
You liberals are a hoot and so predictable.

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:51:20 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

A few mm's per year will take a long time to submerge, say, New York,
don't you think?

Turn on your brain. Think. Listen to what people are saying. Then you
wouldn't make such idiotic responses.

Neither I, nor anybody else, said a few millimeters sea level rise would
inundate any city. The point is, when you have a natural event that
produces an unusual rise in sea level- a storm surge, tsunami, or even a
very high tide when the surface is active- a few millimeters is enough
to make a huge difference in the amount of actual flooding.


And the lawyer hate here is amusing;

What lawyer hate? Personally, I don't believe you are a lawyer. You show
no civility, no ability to argue intelligently, no respect for the
opinions of other people. These are skills that all lawyers require. You
seem to me nothing more than a bitter old guy, with opinions based on
dogma and not self reflection. You see a change in attitudes towards
more liberal social policies, more respect for the environment, less
respect for unrestrained capitalism, and this threatens you. You lash
out the only way you can- name calling. I'm happy that the Internet is
here as an outlet, because you seem like the sort that might show up at
a shopping mall or church with an automatic weapon.
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On Oct 19, 10:33*am, Chris L Peterson wrote:

A few millimeters difference in sea level can be the difference between
minor damage and major flooding during a storm surge. And a few
millimeters per year turns into a truly dangerous rise in just a few
years. Parts of the Gulf Coast and Eastern Seaboard are less than a
meter above sea level for miles from the coast.



Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com

On Oct 19, 10:33*am, Chris L Peterson wrote:


A few millimeters difference in sea level can be the difference between
minor damage and major flooding during a storm surge. And a few
millimeters per year turns into a truly dangerous rise in just a few
years. Parts of the Gulf Coast and Eastern Seaboard are less than a
meter above sea level for miles from the coast.


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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com

Sheer and utter nonsense. How many mm's in an inch?? Do you even
know? You are a joke. Don't think I will sell my New York City real
estate just yet.

You seem to resort to personal attacks when someone dares to disagree
with you and using your school e-mail address 20 years after
graduation show just how insecure you are. Do you really think anyone
gives a rat's ass that you have only a BS?

On Oct 19, 11:29*am, Chris L Peterson wrote:

What lawyer hate? Personally, I don't believe you are a lawyer. You show
no civility, no ability to argue intelligently, no respect for the
opinions of other people. These are skills that all lawyers require. You
seem to me nothing more than a bitter old guy, with opinions based on
dogma and not self reflection. You see a change in attitudes towards
more liberal social policies, more respect for the environment, less
respect for unrestrained capitalism, and this threatens you. You lash
out the only way you can- name calling. I'm happy that the Internet is
here as an outlet, because you seem like the sort that might show up at
a shopping mall or church with an automatic weapon.
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com

Ahh, this from the mountain man who elevates dogs over humans in
worth. Little bitter toward your fellow humans are you?

Give me the name of your lawyer who is going to sue me for libel and
I'll be pleased to talk to him ( of course though, your threat I'm
sure was empty BS ).He may understand the significance of having
public company clients, arguing before the US Supreme Court, having
your federal cases quoted in law school textbooks, etc etc

You might even try to hire that contingency ambulance chaser who filed
the fraudulent case against Meade--I'd love to engage him in federal
court..

The only time little twits like you deal with lawyers is when you
commit a crime, get divorced or sue for auto wrecks. There is a whole
'nuther legal world out there sport. Perhaps your hero, Obama, could
explain it to you--or better yet wife Michel ( who has to be carefully
contained to prevent her venom spewing ) who views foks like you as
"honkie trash".

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:04:22 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

You seem to resort to personal attacks when someone dares to disagree
with you and using your school e-mail address 20 years after
graduation show just how insecure you are. Do you really think anyone
gives a rat's ass that you have only a BS?

I use the email address I do because I always have, and it's convenient.
Are you insecure because you've had the same phone number for 20 years?
And from a practical standpoint, I find that the .edu domain attracts a
lot less spam.

I don't care what anybody thinks of my education. I've been out of
school long enough that it isn't really relevant. My identity is no
secret. I don't hide behind any handles. People can contact me by phone
or email, they can see what I do from my website or by Googling me.

You, on the other hand, choose to remain anonymous. That's your choice,
of course, but it doesn't give you much credibility.
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Cloudbait Observatory
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:16:51 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

Give me the name of your lawyer who is going to sue me for libel and
I'll be pleased to talk to him ( of course though, your threat I'm
sure was empty BS ).

Your remarkable inability to correctly interpret _anything_ that is said
to you demonstrates that if you actually were a lawyer, you'd be
slaughtered in court. It is impossible to argue against a position you
are incapable of understanding, and a lawyer who can't argue against a
position is worse than useless.
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
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