"What's wrong in COTS" (and HOW to do it BETTER)

On Jan 23, 2:19 pm, Eric Chomko wrote:
On Jan 23, 1:30 pm, wrote:

1. Yes, yes ITS own systems. WHERE ARE OURS?!?!

2. Does MSFC have a ground center for ISS spacelab ops?

1. Destiny is our lab and we get 40% of the payload space in the ESA
and JAXA labs
2, Yes, a large one
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...yload_ops.html

On Jan 23, 2:11 pm, Eric Chomko wrote:


1. Sure sure, MSFC isn't going to say we took Spacelab from GSFC because
JSC took ISS from us. Nor is GSFC going to say that MSFC stole
Spacelab. But THAT is what happened!


Spacelab efforts in the U S will be managed by the Marshall Center.
What efforts? All I see is ESA and their center near Munich.


1. GSFC never had a large role in Spacelab. Maybe a little with data
flow. Mission management (control) was always at MSFC, in HOSC,
which was the way it was done on Skylab.

2. There is a lot more to a program. Ground control is a minor
area. ESA may have designed and built the spacelab. But sustaining
engineering and mission integration is what MSFC did. Also some
reeningineering was done after Challenger.

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:52:07 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way
as to indicate that:

On Jan 23, 2:11 pm, Eric Chomko wrote:


1. Sure sure, MSFC isn't going to say we took Spacelab from GSFC because
JSC took ISS from us. Nor is GSFC going to say that MSFC stole
Spacelab. But THAT is what happened!


Spacelab efforts in the U S will be managed by the Marshall Center.
What efforts? All I see is ESA and their center near Munich.


1. GSFC never had a large role in Spacelab. Maybe a little with data
flow. Mission management (control) was always at MSFC, in HOSC,
which was the way it was done on Skylab.

2. There is a lot more to a program. Ground control is a minor
area. ESA may have designed and built the spacelab. But sustaining
engineering and mission integration is what MSFC did. Also some
reeningineering was done after Challenger.

Be aware that you are arguing with an historically ignorant idiot and
conspiracy monger, who views everything though a cracked political
lens.

On Jan 23, 4:04 pm, (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:52:07 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way
as to indicate that:



On Jan 23, 2:11 pm, Eric Chomko wrote:

1. Sure sure, MSFC isn't going to say we took Spacelab from GSFC because
JSC took ISS from us. Nor is GSFC going to say that MSFC stole
Spacelab. But THAT is what happened!

Spacelab efforts in the U S will be managed by the Marshall Center.
What efforts? All I see is ESA and their center near Munich.

1. GSFC never had a large role in Spacelab. Maybe a little with data
flow. Mission management (control) was always at MSFC, in HOSC,
which was the way it was done on Skylab.

2. There is a lot more to a program. Ground control is a minor
area. ESA may have designed and built the spacelab. But sustaining
engineering and mission integration is what MSFC did. Also some
reeningineering was done after Challenger.

Be aware that you are arguing with an historically ignorant idiot and
conspiracy monger, who views everything though a cracked political
lens.

I won't feed them any more

On Jan 23, 4:04*pm, (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:52:07 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way
as to indicate that:





On Jan 23, 2:11 pm, Eric Chomko wrote:

1. *Sure sure, MSFC isn't going to say we took Spacelab from GSFC because
JSC took ISS from us. Nor is GSFC going to say that MSFC stole
Spacelab. But THAT is what happened!

Spacelab efforts in the U S will be managed by the Marshall Center.
What efforts? All I see is ESA and their center near Munich.

1. *GSFC never had a large role in Spacelab. *Maybe a little with data
flow. * Mission management (control) was always at MSFC, in HOSC,
which was the way it was done on Skylab.

2. *There is a lot more to a program. Ground control is a minor
area. * ESA may have designed and built the spacelab. *But sustaining
engineering and mission integration is what MSFC did. *Also some
reeningineering was done after Challenger.

Be aware that you are arguing with an historically ignorant idiot and
conspiracy monger, who views everything though a cracked political
lens.

Huh, there is no 'Rand Simberg' on the X.500 NASA website. I'm there
and he isn't. Go figure.

Rand is a wannabee and a cheerleader for commercial spaceflight. Maybe
that is why it hasn't done anything since SS1 several years ago.

On Jan 23, 4:34*pm, wrote:
On Jan 23, 4:04 pm, (Rand Simberg)
wrote:





On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:52:07 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way
as to indicate that:

On Jan 23, 2:11 pm, Eric Chomko wrote:

1. *Sure sure, MSFC isn't going to say we took Spacelab from GSFC because
JSC took ISS from us. Nor is GSFC going to say that MSFC stole
Spacelab. But THAT is what happened!

Spacelab efforts in the U S will be managed by the Marshall Center.
What efforts? All I see is ESA and their center near Munich.

1. *GSFC never had a large role in Spacelab. *Maybe a little with data
flow. * Mission management (control) was always at MSFC, in HOSC,
which was the way it was done on Skylab.

2. *There is a lot more to a program. Ground control is a minor
area. * ESA may have designed and built the spacelab. *But sustaining
engineering and mission integration is what MSFC did. *Also some
reeningineering was done after Challenger.

Be aware that you are arguing with an historically ignorant idiot and
conspiracy monger, who views everything though a cracked political
lens.

I won't feed them any more

Why, because a guy with a two-bit blog on space tells you not to? Rand
doesn't have me in his killfile because I see right through him. And
he wants you to ignore me. Think about that...

If SIPS and SOPS were minor, as you put it, then why did MSFC even
bother to move them out of GSFC to MSFC?

We don't even do space lab anymore. The Japanese and Germans took it
over and we let them due to lousy politics between ourselves.

On Jan 19, 12:03*pm, "Jorge R. Frank" wrote:
Jeff Findley wrote:
"Eric Chomko" wrote in message
...
Did the Canadian arm exist as part of the original Rockwell design?

I'm not sure. *Freedom was redesigned a few times and I never kept track of
the SSRMS that far back.

The SSRMS was part of the 1986 baseline design (not Rockwell IIRC, but
NASA and MDAC). Here's a diagram from 1987 (well before Reagan left
office) that shows who contributed what:

http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/s/ssfprg87.gif

The GIF doesn't come up.

On Jan 23, 3:44*pm, wrote:
On Jan 23, 2:19 pm, Eric Chomko wrote:

On Jan 23, 1:30 pm, wrote:

1. *Yes, yes ITS own systems. WHERE ARE OURS?!?!

2. *Does MSFC have a ground center for ISS spacelab ops?

1. *Destiny is our lab and we get 40% of the payload space in the ESA
and JAXA labs
2, *Yes, a large onehttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/science/payload_ops.html

I'm a little concerned about the fate of Destiny given that the NASA
director stated whether he thought ISS had any utility or not.