The Lost Cosmonauts book

"Giovanni Abrate" wrote ...
Incidentally, please save the sarcasm: I don't claim, I am translating parts
of J-Cs book.

That's a good reason for saving the sarcasm.

I also believe that they are telling the truth.

But then you go and take a position (if not quite a 'claim').

Jim Davis wrote:

???

Wasn't the title of that book "Robot Explorers"? One of "The Pocket
Encyclopedia of Spaceflight in Color"?



Yup it was...until yours truly read it so much that the spine fell
apart, and he scrawled "Space Probes" on the underlying binding with a
Magic Marker....whoops!
The spine has also fallen off of Gatland's "Manned Spacecraft"- but in
that case I did put the right name on it.
Great books- bad bindings.

Embarrassed;
Pat

Dave Michelson wrote:



Could they have been the victims of a hoax? If the latter, was the
hoaxster
likely a member of their own team or someone from the outside?


THE SISTER! Her knowledge of Zen Buddhism would make her just the sort
of happy-go-lucky prankster who would pull something like this as sort
of a "White Horse" Koan! When exactly did they stop thinking of the
lost cosmonauts? If a Semyorka rocket fell over at the Plesetsk military
cosmodrome, would anyone hear about it? What is the sound of one hand
clapping...in a vacuum?
"When you can snatch this poop from my hand without tearing the toilet
paper covering the floor while you drag your butt across it- it will be
time to write your book..."
Yes, it could well be that _she_ pulled The Shroud over their eyes... :-D

Pat

OM wrote:

[Insert scene of two drunk Italian Hams pointing a 4-by beam directly
at the J-C's garage, and reading from a Russian phrase book trying
their damndest not to hiccup or burp while the mike is keyed]


It would be fascinating to get a recording of their late sister's voice
and compare it via voiceprint to the dying "Soviet Female Cosmonaut" on
their webpage, wouldn't it?

Pat

Paul Blay wrote:

"Giovanni Abrate" wrote ...


Incidentally, please save the sarcasm: I don't claim, I am translating parts
of J-Cs book.



That's a good reason for saving the sarcasm.



I also believe that they are telling the truth.



But then you go and take a position (if not quite a 'claim').


Yeah, that's like saying: "I'm not the one who put the dog poop in the
burning paper bag- I'm just the one who set it on your porch."

Pat

Pat

Jonathan Silverlight wrote:
Second, did any of these Luna probes even have a camera capable of
imaging the Moon from space? They all seem to share the same design.

Not exactely. The instrument payload appears to have varied between
different spacecraft. Luna-9 and -13 had completely different payloads
and one of the failed landers (Kosmos-60) is known to have carried a
gamma-ray spectrometer that no other lander is known to have carried.
The design of this spectrometer was apparently different to that carried
by the Luna-10 and -12 orbiters.

In message , Paolo Ulivi
writes
Jonathan Silverlight wrote:
Second, did any of these Luna probes even have a camera capable of
imaging the Moon from space? They all seem to share the same design.

Not exactely. The instrument payload appears to have varied between
different spacecraft. Luna-9 and -13 had completely different payloads
and one of the failed landers (Kosmos-60) is known to have carried a
gamma-ray spectrometer that no other lander is known to have carried.
The design of this spectrometer was apparently different to that
carried by the Luna-10 and -12 orbiters.

Agreed. Luna 13 was much more sophisticated. But I think we'd also agree
that Luna 4 to 14 all used a similar body, so far as anyone knows. After
that, they went to the third-generation design. The body had sun and
moon sensors, but could either produce an image?
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Jonathan Silverlight wrote in message ...

Agreed. Luna 13 was much more sophisticated. But I think we'd also agree
that Luna 4 to 14 all used a similar body, so far as anyone knows. After
that, they went to the third-generation design. The body had sun and
moon sensors, but could either produce an image?

What I mean is that I would not be surprised if other E-6 lunar
landers carried other instruments, including a "descent camera".
However, I think that other details make the J-C story unlikely,
including the fact that the NSA Asmara deep space radio intelligence
station did not apparently collect data from Luna-4.

JimO wrote:

Sad thing is, I'm still vaguely suspicious about the possibility of a
non-Korolev-bureau up-down (Shepard-class) manned mission from Kapustin Yar
in the 1957-1959 time period. The remaining shadows seem possibly wide
enough to conceal such an activity, although positive evidence for it has
not appeared, either.


That also hits you as an oddity?
I've wondered about that one myself- it shouldn't have been all that
difficult to do; you could launch it on a R-5/V5V "Vertikal" type
sounding rocket if it wasn't too heavy. Also, given the way that the
Soviet space effort was split into military and civilian sections that
really didn't cooperate all that much, I always thought that there may
have been a separate military man-in-space program that we still haven't
heard about. Certainly the Korolev OKB at least (if not others) was
looking at such an option in that time frame:
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/subcabin.htm.

Pat

Just to point out that there is a longish article ( pp.32-38 )
on the 'The Lost Cosmonauts' and brothers Judicia-Cordiglias
by Kris Hollington in the current issue of the "Fortean Times"
( FT233 March 2008 ) called "Lost In Space" :

Lost in Space. What really happened to Russia's missing cosmonauts ?
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Legends of 'lost cosmonauts' have been circulating for years, but a pair
of Italian brothers claimed to have recorded signals from space that
revealed a secret Russian space programme and a series of disasters. In
this month's issue we travel across Europe to track down the main players
in an incredible tale of space hacking, espionage and death in the lonely
reaches of space....

http://www.forteantimes.com/front_website/themag/
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