Yay. In trouble with ITAR...

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:49:42 -0700, Danny Deger
wrote:

Yes it is loopy. You can read in my free book at www.dannydeger.net
NASA launched a criminal investigation against me right after I got
Department of State approval for my contract with a Canadian company.

....Are you *sure* you're not related to Wbua Znkfba?
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Pat Flannery wrote:

:
:
wrote:
: Umm... they make money (lots) on WAR and OIL. There is both in Iraq.
: Lots. Cheney is a WAR monger. This is no secret. Do you think Cheneys
: cabal of cronies and his family members and theirs do not own stock or
: get bribes...um I mean 'campain contributions' from them?
:
:
:I'm keen to see exactly how much of that proposed 20 billion dollars in
:military aid to "friendly" Arab states somehow works its way into
:Halliburton of Dubai's hands.
:

Haliburton doesn't make weapons, which is what 'military aid' is spent
on.

Do you people have ANY idea of what Haliburton does?


--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Fred J. McCall wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote:

:
:
wrote:
: Umm... they make money (lots) on WAR and OIL. There is both in Iraq.
: Lots. Cheney is a WAR monger. This is no secret. Do you think Cheneys
: cabal of cronies and his family members and theirs do not own stock or
: get bribes...um I mean 'campain contributions' from them?
:
:
:I'm keen to see exactly how much of that proposed 20 billion dollars in
:military aid to "friendly" Arab states somehow works its way into
:Halliburton of Dubai's hands.
:

Haliburton doesn't make weapons, which is what 'military aid' is spent
on.

Do you people have ANY idea of what Haliburton does?



Bitchin' briefcases.

C.

--
It Came From Corry Lee Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries.
http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net

In a time of deception telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -
George Orwell

wrote:

:On Jul 31, 1:07 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: wrote:
:
: You're an idiot. Speaking of "morons who don't know the regulation",
: I will once again suggest that YOU GO READ THE BLOODY THING!
:
:This is Ad Hominem, you can't refute what I'm saying so you attack me
ersonally. Great!
:

"Ad Hominem" is not a noun, much less a proper noun meriting
capitalization.

:
:The guy, who I was referring to, telling the OP to take down the
:website obviously didn't know the regulation, therefore he can
:reasonably be said to be a 'moron who don't know the regulation'.
:

Have you ever done as I suggested and gone and read the regulation?

Apparently the guy DID know the regulation and you do not. Hence my
remark, above.

: :Not idiotic...logic...
: :
:
: By your standards it may be logic. By human standards it just doesn't
: qualify.
:
:Maybe *you* are the one who is 'not human'...ever thought of that?
:

Go read the regulation.

: :By the way, serious forces in the US are wanting to burn the Harry
: :Potter books... (ok, now I'm waay OT, but it does have a bearing on
: :the whole censorship thing).
: :
:
: Both irrelevant AND stupid to bring up.
:
:Neither actually.
:

Yes, both actually, since last time I checked Harry Potter wasn't on
the Munitions List.

:
:I asserted that censorship is a slipperyslope, and
:that next would be book burning, and then I'm showing that these
:tendencies are indeed manifesting, right now in Harry Potter books,
:next will succeed in getting them banned and next after that will be
:banning of other books for 'national security' reasons....
:

I asserted that your 'assertion' is both irrelevant AND stupid to
bring up.

: :Umm... they make money (lots) on WAR and OIL.
: :
:
: I see. You're too stupid to actually know what Haliburton does.
:
:Well why don't you enlighten me then?
:

You can't afford my hourly rate.

:
:You seem to only be able to come
:up with profanities... which again shows that you know nothing of what
:you are talking about.
:

Sure. Got any more straws on you that you want to grasp at to make
yourself feel better?

:
:Go read he http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/haliburton and then tell me
:how it is that they don't make money on oil and war.
:

I trust Wikipedia on anything even remotely controversial about as far
as I can throw my car.

:
: I think you're an idiot blinded by his own ideological hatreds.
:
:More personal attacks... I'm getting rather bored now.
:You just managed to call me: an idiot, sub-human, stupid, stupid
again), idiot (again) and blinded by hatred.
:All in the same response!
:

Perhaps you should try harder to hide your innate nature?

:
:hahahaha. you're funny. Please either refute my arguments or shutup
:with your profanity, nobody is interrested in what you think of me
ersonally, and I certainly will not continue responding to this kind
f crap...
:

One doesn't 'refute' moronic assertions, Toby. You see, YOU need to
support your assertions with something other than idiotic ideology
before anyone need bother to greet it with anything other than
derision.


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

OM wrote:

Yes it is loopy. You can read in my free book at www.dannydeger.net
NASA launched a criminal investigation against me right after I got
Department of State approval for my contract with a Canadian company.


...Are you *sure* you're not related to Wbua Znkfba?


"I graduated from The University of Texas in 1979 with a Master's in
Aerospace Engineering. I then became a fighter pilot for the Air Force
with nuclear strike as my primary mission."

"Premier Kissoff is on line one, Mr. President."
"Hello Dimitri? One of our fighter pilots went a little funny in the
head...you know...'funny'...and he did a silly thing..." :-D

Pat

Unclaimed Mysteries wrote:

Haliburton doesn't make weapons, which is what 'military aid' is spent
on.

Do you people have ANY idea of what Haliburton does?



Bitchin' briefcases.

You just watch that; they'll get a big chunk of that money one way or
another.
"Look at all these new weapons... and where will you store them
securely? You need an 'AIRBASE UPGRADE ©'!"

Pat

wrote:

:On Jul 31, 8:50 pm, Eric Chomko wrote:
:
:
: Welcome to my world. Freddy posts like this to virtually everyone. I
: have turned it into a form of entertainment for myself.
:
:
:Thanks for the heads-up! It's kind of funny actually, but more like
:sad...
:

You'll notice that it's Chimpko butting in to post his 'responses'
when he's not even been mentioned.

:If everybody would be positive towards others instead of sending out
:all this negativity all the time everywhere,
:

Include yourself. Including toward people you dislike ideologically.


--
"It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point,
somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me....
I am the law."
-- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer

Eric Chomko wrote:

:On Jul 31, 7:07 am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: wrote:
:
: :On Jul 31, 4:29 am, Fred J. McCall wrote:: wrote:
:
: :
: : :I wonder when the US is going to copy the great internet firewall
: : :china has.... won't be long now...
: : :
: :
: : I don't understand why you people can't just read what the bloody
: : regulation says.
: :
: :
: :Because even if the regulation says it's ok for the OP to publish
: :these posts, his experience with ITAR shows that the whole thing is on
: :a slippery slope and especially so when it is managed by morons who
: :don't know the regulation. You can't export this, you can't export
: :that...next... the firewall in china...
: :
:
: You're an idiot. Speaking of "morons who don't know the regulation",
: I will once again suggest that YOU GO READ THE BLOODY THING!
:
:It reads like any legal document. Wide open for interpretation. I have
:read it and I know you can't get everyone to agree on what means
:what.
:

Eric, you can't read and comprehend Usenet. The fact that YOU are
confused by it doesn't mean much.

:
:
: :
: : :
: : :Are they going to start burning books, anytime soon? what about all
: : :the books describing all this stuff all around the world? do the
: : :Americans think they're the only ones who can build a rocket? (let
: : :alone an OLD one?) haha. sad really. state paranoia....
: : :Are terrorists going to build Saturn V rockets????? OMG! ROFL.
: : :
: :
: : Good thing you're self-amusing. The preceding is idiotic.
: :
: :
: :Notice how I cleverly inferred book burning from internet censorship,
: :displayed how this would be difficult in practice, and then making a
: :seemingly little joke about rocket building that then turns into
: :terrorists making Saturn V rockets! my god! could a professional
: :comedian have done better? or...or...a Politician! I should apply to
: :Mensa or something.... =8-)
: :Not idiotic...logic...
: :
:
: By your standards it may be logic. By human standards it just doesn't
: qualify.
:
:Ad hominem attack on your part makes the other poster look right.
:

It's not an ad hominem attack when it's true. You folks need to get
over this. All 'opinions' are not equally correct nor equally well
reasoned. Some are just idiotic spew and merit all the derision that
can be heaped upon them.

:
:
: :
: :By the way, serious forces in the US are wanting to burn the Harry
: :Potter books... (ok, now I'm waay OT, but it does have a bearing on
: :the whole censorship thing).
: :
:
: Both irrelevant AND stupid to bring up.
:
: :
: :
: : Perhaps you should go look up how Haliburton makes its money, eh?
: :
: :
: :Umm... they make money (lots) on WAR and OIL.
: :
:
: I see. You're too stupid to actually know what Haliburton does.
:
:
:Win no-bid contracts to set up the infrastructure for Americans to
perate in a foriegn country. And that includes oil companies as well
:as the military. National security and all that.
:

Don't tell me. Tell 'handle boy' at GMail, who insists Halliburton
"money (lots) on WAR". He's an idiot.

Very little of Halliburton's business has anything to do with anything
other than oil.

: :
: :There is both in Iraq.
: :Lots. Cheney is a WAR monger. This is no secret. Do you think Cheneys
: :cabal of cronies and his family members and theirs do not own stock or
: :get bribes...um I mean 'campain contributions' from them?
: :
:
: I think you're an idiot blinded by his own ideological hatreds.
:
:Are you saying Cheney is NOT a warmonger? If so, then you're wrong...
:

Cite your proof of this amazing insight, Eric. You won't, of course,
since you never cite anything sane to back up your astounding
fantasies, but I'll keep making you the offer.


--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain

Eric Chomko wrote:

:On Jul 31, 11:41 am, wrote:
: On Jul 31, 1:07 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
:
: wrote:
: You're an idiot. Speaking of "morons who don't know the regulation",
: I will once again suggest that YOU GO READ THE BLOODY THING!
:
: This is Ad Hominem, you can't refute what I'm saying so you attack me
: personally. Great!
:
:Yep, that is Freddy...
:

Funny how El Chimpko has to jump into any thread I'm in, isn't it?

:
:
: The guy, who I was referring to, telling the OP to take down the
: website obviously didn't know the regulation, therefore he can
: reasonably be said to be a 'moron who don't know the regulation'.
:
:
:Yes, exactly WHO doesn't know the regulation? Probably Freddy.
:

Sorry, stupid, but I sort of have to know what it actually says, since
I'm in the 'merchant of death' business.

But, as usual, El Chimpko doesn't let little things like reality get
in the way of his stupid remarks.

:
:
: :
: :Not idiotic...logic...
: :
:
: By your standards it may be logic. By human standards it just doesn't
: qualify.
:
: Maybe *you* are the one who is 'not human'...ever thought of that?
:
:
:I wouldn't stoop to that stupe's level.
:

Mostly because you'd have to climb a ladder and use a telescope to see
up to the bottom of my feet.

:
:
:
: :
: :By the way, serious forces in the US are wanting to burn the Harry
: :Potter books... (ok, now I'm waay OT, but it does have a bearing on
: :the whole censorship thing).
: :
:
: Both irrelevant AND stupid to bring up.
:
: Neither actually. I asserted that censorship is a slipperyslope, and
: that next would be book burning, and then I'm showing that these
: tendencies are indeed manifesting, right now in Harry Potter books,
: next will succeed in getting them banned and next after that will be
: banning of other books for 'national security' reasons....
:
: :Umm... they make money (lots) on WAR and OIL.
: :
:
: I see. You're too stupid to actually know what Haliburton does.
:
: Well why don't you enlighten me then? You seem to only be able to come
: up with profanities... which again shows that you know nothing of what
: you are talking about.
: Go read hehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/haliburtonand then tell me
: how it is that they don't make money on oil and war.
:
: I think you're an idiot blinded by his own ideological hatreds.
:
: More personal attacks... I'm getting rather bored now.
: You just managed to call me: an idiot, sub-human, stupid, stupid
: (again), idiot (again) and blinded by hatred.
: All in the same response!
:
:
:That is Freddy. You are not alone when it comes to his ad hominem
:attacks.
:

Yep. Most idiots get them (and then complain about having their
idiocy pointed out).

:
:
: hahahaha. you're funny. Please either refute my arguments or shutup
: with your profanity, nobody is interrested in what you think of me
: personally, and I certainly will not continue responding to this kind
: of crap...
:
:
:Welcome to my world. Freddy posts like this to virtually everyone. I
:have turned it into a form of entertainment for myself.
:

You keep telling yourself that, Eric. Everyone else views it as you
having your nose rubbed in your usual stupidity yet one more time.


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

On Jul 27, 5:31 pm, Scott Lowther
wrote:

WTF??? Saturn V is under ITAR control? Has anyone told David Weeks?

Nearly 30% inert GLOW, a mere 60:1 ratio of rocket per payload. Go
figure.

It currently takes along with the very best of the least inert fly-by-
rocket technology, better than 80:1 for establishing GSO.
- Brad Guth