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![]() The rovers and other observers have been a search primarily for signs of water on Mars for obvious reasons. But the rovers lacked the equipment for tests of life. Phoenix takes the next step. Phoenix Mar Mission Home http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/ "The Phoenix lander is going to an area of Mars where water is believed to exist in the form of ice just below the surface. This water ice is probably spread fairly uniformly throughout the northern plains so the lander should be able to uncover ice wherever it lands." http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/faq.php "On the deck, miniature ovens and a mass spectrometer, built by the University of Arizona and University of Texas-Dallas, will provide chemical analysis of trace matter. A chemistry lab-in-a-box, assembled by JPL, will characterize the soil and ice chemistry. Imaging systems, designed by the University of Arizona, University of Neuchatel (Switzerland) (providing an atomic force microscope), Max Planck Institute (Germany) and Malin Space Science Systems, will provide an unprecedented view of Mars-spanning 12 powers of 10 in scale. The Canadian Space Agency will deliver a meteorological station, marking the first significant involvement of Canada in a mission to Mars." http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/mission.php Science Objectives Objective 2: Search for Evidence of Habitable Zone and Assess the Biological Potential of the Ice-Soil Boundary "Recent discoveries have shown that life can exist in the most extreme conditions. Indeed, it is possible that bacterial spores can lie dormant in bitterly cold, dry, and airless conditions for millions of years and become activated once conditions become favorable. Such dormant microbial colonies may exist in the Martian arctic, where due to the periodic wobbling of the planet, liquid water may exist for brief periods about every 100,000 years making the soil environment habitable." "Phoenix will assess the habitability of the Martian northern environment by using sophisticated chemical experiments to assess the soil's composition of life giving elements such as carbon, nitrogen, phosphorus, and hydrogen. Identified by chemical analysis, Phoenix will also look at reduction-oxidation (redox) molecular pairs that may determine whether the potential chemical energy of the soil can sustain life, as well as other soil properties critical to determine habitability such as pH and saltiness." "Despite having the proper ingredients to sustain life, the Martian soil may also contain hazards that prevent biological growth, such as powerful oxidants that break apart organic molecules. Powerful oxidants that can break apart organic molecules are expected in dry environments bathed in UV light, such as the surface of Mars. But a few inches below the surface, the soil could protect organisms from the harmful solar radiation. Phoenix will dig deep enough into the soil to analyze the soil environment potentially protected from UV looking for organic signatures and potential habitability." http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/science03.php And two great videos at this site. Scroll down and watch the rough cut entry, descent and landing video. The landing looks rather risky eh? And just below that video is a wonderful collection of various water features on Mars, comparing valley networks deltas, channels, oxbows etc between earth and mars. http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/videos.php s |
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Jonathan wrote: Scroll down and watch the rough cut entry, descent and landing video. The landing looks rather risky eh? And if the video isn't enough to make you nervous, consider that the lander chassis is essentially a duplicate of that of the late lamented Mars Polar Lander. (There was a second lander under construction, with a different payload but the same chassis design, meant for launch in 2001. It was grounded after MPL was lost, and then canceled altogether. The chassis was one of the assets made available to the competitors in the first Mars Scout competition, which Phoenix won.) There's a reason why the lander is called Phoenix, and it's not because the Principal Investigator is from U of Arizona... :-) -- spsystems.net is temporarily off the air; | Henry Spencer mail to henry at zoo.utoronto.ca instead. | |
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There's a reason why the lander is called Phoenix, and it's not because the Principal Investigator is from U of Arizona... :-) UofA has a pathological hatred for the Phoenix area, especially Tempe. They are bitter for the many times Sparky has kicked Wilbur's butt. Hop |
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It would make Me feel better if We had images of the crash site. It
has been search for but never imaged. Pictures might help in the investigation of the cause of the failure. The fault tree investigation showed it to be the early engine shut down. I would hope that that does not happen again. This will be the first attempt at life science since the failed Beagle mission. That too was a shame to have lost. Carl |
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On Jul 10, 9:18 am, surfduke wrote:
It would make Me feel better if We had images of the crash site. It has been search for but never imaged. Pictures might help in the investigation of the cause of the failure. The fault tree investigation showed it to be the early engine shut down. I would hope that that does not happen again. This will be the first attempt at life science since the failed Beagle mission. That too was a shame to have lost. Carl AW&ST had a good article within the past couple of weeks about Phoenix. Regarding the old chassis, one of the project people discussed how the Better Quicker Cheaper mantra led to the skipping of testing. That testing has been on Phoenix, and not surprisingly, they found stuff that could have resulted in the vehicle having a bad day, that they subsequently fixed. The article also discussed that they have retargeted the vehicle once already due to imagery that said the landing area first selected was too rough. Find the article . . . there is an awesome picture of water being run under high pressure being run through the landing rocket system to find leaks. I was surprised that water was used . . . and amazed at the efflux from the 12 engine nozzles. Take care . . . John |
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John wrote: ...Regarding the old chassis, one of the project people discussed how the Better Quicker Cheaper mantra led to the skipping of testing. Note, however, that according to people who were the "All customary and prudent steps were executed in the development process... After examination of the contributing factors, there is no evidence that [faster/better/cheaper] concepts caused the MPL failure." A test that would have detected the touchdown-sensor problem *was done*. It had to be interrupted in the middle due to another problem, and they decided to pick up from where it left off, rather than starting over from the beginning. The picking up from where it left off, alas, didn't quite reinitialize things to the exact previous state, and so the problem was missed. (Ref: Euler et al, "The failures of the Mars Climate Orbiter and Mars Polar Lander: a perspective from the people involved", Advances in the Astronautical Sciences 107 (Guidance & Control Conference 2001).) Similar testing mistakes have killed slower/worse/costlier megaprojects; Galileo, one of the slowest and costliest planetary-probe projects ever, made several such mistakes, although by good luck none was fatal. There is no rational reason to blame the MPL loss on faster/better/cheaper (unlike the loss of MCO, which pretty definitely *was* due to the compressed schedule and shortage of manpower). -- spsystems.net is temporarily off the air; | Henry Spencer mail to henry at zoo.utoronto.ca instead. | |
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![]() Derek Lyons wrote: Why would that make you nervous? The failure of MPL wasn't a design error so far as we know. Yes it was; the sensors on the vehicle interpreted the vibration of landing gear extension as touchdown, and shut down the landing rockets while it was still quite a ways in the air. That at least needs to be fixed. Pat |
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![]() "Pat Flannery" wrote in message ... Derek Lyons wrote: Why would that make you nervous? The failure of MPL wasn't a design error so far as we know. Yes it was; the sensors on the vehicle interpreted the vibration of landing gear extension as touchdown, and shut down the landing rockets while it was still quite a ways in the air. That at least needs to be fixed. The timeline for this landing shows the legs being extended at 12km, some 2 minutes before the engines start firing. Maybe that's the fix. http://uplink.space.com/attachments//693625-mars.jpg This article says the MPL engines shut off at about 130 feet when the legs were extended. http://www.space.com/missionlaunches...mpl_clues.html Just after the crash Lockheed lamely tried to blame it on Nasa, saying they sent the thing into a huge canyon and it tumbled down the walls. What a bunch of back-stabbers. http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...sh_000106.html After reading the above article, I don't trust much that Lockheed says. They seem like a bunch of finger pointers that'll jump at the first cause that gets them off the hook. Then Lockheed had an outside firm look for any software bug that might have caused its failure. And the contractor said they found it in only 12 hours. http://www.t-vec.com/clients/nasa1.php According to Wikipedia there's a second possible cause. "Another possible reason for failure was inadequate preheating of catalysis beds for the pulsing rocket thrusters: hydrazine fuel decomposes on the beds to make hot gases that throttle out the rocket nozzles; cold catalyst beds caused misfiring and instability in crash review tests." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Polar_Lander And here we get some better answers. "The panel found that NASA conducted a pre-launch test of the landing rockets but that the sensors did not generate the touchdown signals as was intended. It traced the lack of signal to faulty wiring of the sensors. After the sensors were rewired, NASA did not repeat the testing that would have unmasked the software problem." "Young's panel concluded a 30 percent underfunding of the Polar Lander mission prompted NASA to cut back on personnel as well as the ground testing that would have uncovered the design flaws and lack of communications gear. " http://www.chron.com/content/interac...er/000329.html Hey, this is getting better by the minute~ James Oberg of UPI accused NASA of knowing about a flaw in advance and covering it up. Members of the review team responded with terms like... "bunk," "complete nonsense," and "wacko," to describe their reactions to UPI's charge. http://marsweb.jpl.nasa.gov/msp98/news/news69.html I think they protest too much! So now, the accusation is that the cold temperature testing showed a flaw, so they covered up that data. The response isn't all that comforting. Finding 1: MPL's braking thrusters did not fail acceptance testing due to low temperatures.The situation described in the UPI article could not have occurred because no low-temperature acceptance or qualification tests were conducted http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/oig/hq...sments/MPL.pdf What tests? Sheez! I wonder which shredder those cold temperature tests ended up in? Oh well, as long as Phoenix makes it ok all will be forgiven. s Pat |
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Pat Flannery wrote: Why would that make you nervous? The failure of MPL wasn't a design error so far as we know. Yes it was; the sensors on the vehicle interpreted the vibration of landing gear extension as touchdown, and shut down the landing rockets while it was still quite a ways in the air. Correction: the misinterpretation was in the control software, not in the sensors. The software quite correctly wasn't paying attention to the touchdown sensors at all at leg deployment time. Unfortunately, the transient false touchdown indications set "touchdown detected" flags, and nothing cleared those flags before the final-descent code started paying attention to them. (During the one full-descent-sequence test, nothing untoward happened during leg deployment... but the test had to be interrupted before the final-descent phase started, and the procedure used to restart the test had the unfortunate side effect of clearing the touchdown-detected flags.) The problem with the sensors showing transient false touchdown indications during leg deployment actually *was known*, incidentally, just not to the software people. They hadn't been close enough to the hardware work to hear about the problem, and the specs they'd received for handling those sensors didn't say anything about transient rejection or data filtering. -- spsystems.net is temporarily off the air; | Henry Spencer mail to henry at zoo.utoronto.ca instead. | |
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