Obama's HUGE space gamble

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: : It's "Liar, Lier, Pants On Fire"... really hard language on his
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: :Truth be told Pat....I actually had to ask him. How pathetic is THAT?
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:Ahhhh....I can rest in peace now, I've finally been snubbed by Fred.
Thanks!
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That's not a 'snub'. Perhaps you should check a dictionary for the
meaning of that word while you're trying to figure out how to use
Google?

*Chortle* Remember Fred we're talking Brad Guth and his odd use of the
language. It never occurred to me that something Brad would type would be
Google-able. Oh and Fred....being condescending to someone IS a snub. If you
don't think so I love to see you explain why it wouldn't be.

Doug

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On Feb 13, 5:17 pm, OM wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:42:37 -0800 (PST), Me

wrote:
That was last decade. You haven't done squat since then

...You know, you really *are* a pathetic little ******, aren't you?

I *really* want to meet you face-to-face, Charlie. You've got a
serious attitude readjustment coming...

OM

I am waiting. Come down to the Cape and I will meet you.

Man....I think I'd actually pay $5 to watch that. What's weird is I am
hoping for a bloody draw.

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incest-cloned
: : Borg
: : : Zionist Nazi. :-D
: : :
: : :
: : : *SNORT* hee hee hee...good one, Pat
: : :
: : : It took me forever to figure out what the "LLPOF" was all about.
: : : It's "Liar, Lier, Pants On Fire"... really hard language on his
: part.
: : :-D
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: : :
: : :Truth be told Pat....I actually had to ask him. How pathetic is
THAT?
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: : They don't have Google on your planet?
: :
: :Ahhhh....I can rest in peace now, I've finally been snubbed by Fred.
: Thanks!
: :
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: That's not a 'snub'. Perhaps you should check a dictionary for the
: meaning of that word while you're trying to figure out how to use
: Google?
:
:*Chortle* Remember Fred we're talking Brad Guth and his odd use of the
:language. It never occurred to me that something Brad would type would be
:Google-able. Oh and Fred....being condescending to someone IS a snub. If
you
:don't think so I love to see you explain why it wouldn't be.
:

Because it's not. Red isn't blue. If you think it is, I'd love to
see you explain why it is.

You DO enjoy the semantic battle don't you. I would agree that Red isn't
Blue....but I perceive your first remark as a snub, so thus whether or not
you intended it as a snub it doesn't matter. Perception, as 'they' say IS
reality.

On Feb 6, 1:17*pm, Michael Gallagher wrote:
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:06:53 -0800 (PST), Eric Chomko

wrote:
Comparing Cameron to Obama is a stretch.

As far as the magnitude of the risk goes, yes.

Obama would have to do lots of stupid stuff to enter the Twilight Zone
left behind by the Bush administration. I find it really fascinating
how the Republicans blame Obama for Bush's mess. The fact that things
haven't gotten worse and that we have hit bottom indicates that Obama
has managed to do something positive after many years of Bush's
negatives.


....Unless you think Constellation was poorly designed in the first place.

Which comes around to my point: *Outside the aerospace and space
enthusiast communities, who even debated the point? *Probably nobody.

No, the actual rocket scientists thought it a poor design as well. You
know, the ones that have to actually build the thing.

The lead sentences of the story were about the cancellations, not a
celebration of a "better choice." *You can't get past that just by
arguing on usenet.

Right, that goes both ways. Your points are just as worthless and good
as mine.


.... *Where's the Augustine commission's heavy lifter going to fly from
without them?

Wallops Island?

They have LC39-sized pads I never hear of?

The have area to put any size launch pads.


.... You sound bitter ....

I don't feel bitter. * *

..... What do you really want, if you allow yourself to
push your party agenda aside for a minute?

No party agenda involved. *As for what I want, I thought Constellation
had the best shot of getting astronauts back to the Moon and on to
Mars. *That program is now dead, so I want to see what happens. *But
something HAS to happen, or it's a misstep for Obama.

The reuse of the SRBs as mandatory doomed Ares I. You don't make that
kind of decision and then work around it. It smacks of an economic
decision instead of a engineering one driving the design.




If Obama's space plan isn't a hit, it will be a flop, and he'll
probably spend the rest of his life explaining it.

There is no middle ground? ....

Not for Obama. *The messianic image that grew around him during the
2008 campaign set him up for trouble. *

That is the Rush Limbaugh wish. People said similar things about
Clinton and then we had the best economy in decades.

Even in good times, he never
would have lived up to it; anything less than being awesome and his
adminstration could be considered a flop,

No, just be better than Bush and as good as Clinton without the moral
failings and we'll all be fine except for Republicans' egos. But in my
experience when Republicans aren't bitching is when we are headed into
trouble. The deafening silence during the last few years of Bush were
tell tale signs.

even if he's competent a the
job (which I believe he is). *Well, it wasn't the best of times, and
he elected right in the middle of a finacial meltdown and charged with
fixing the whole world.

Bush screwed things up badly. Bush was not qualified to run the
country for 4 years much less 8.

*Along the way, we learned he's only human.

All intelligent people knew that all along. Don't let the media sway
you. The biggest brainwash the media has done is make Republicans feel
that the media is liberal.

He and the dems have major political problems, no question. *Can he
get around them? *Maybe, but a gamble that doesn't play out hon't
help, regardkess of whether it directly hurts his reelection chances.

...... Anything is better than the Bush plan was.

That remains to be seen. *What matters is when the rubber meets the
road. *

Yep, we'll see.

On Feb 8, 4:02*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
The Big DP wrote:
Yeah, Brad Guth usually goes sight unseen because, if for
nothing else his sentence structure and his 'interesting' combination of
words tire me out.

I'm still not completely sure he really exists, and isn't just some sort
of random word sentence creation computer program.
But that's probably because I'm a brown-nosing LLPOF incest-cloned Borg
Zionist Nazi. :-D

Pat

Who will get his when the Apollo cows come home...

On Feb 16, 2:06*pm, "The Big DP" wrote:
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: : But that's probably because I'm a brown-nosing LLPOF incest-cloned
: Borg
: : Zionist Nazi. :-D
: :
: :
: : *SNORT* hee hee hee...good one, Pat
: :
: : It took me forever to figure out what the "LLPOF" was all about.
: : It's "Liar, Lier, Pants On Fire"... really hard language on his
part.
: :-D
: :
: :
: :Truth be told Pat....I actually had to ask him. How pathetic is THAT?
: :
:
: They don't have Google on your planet?
:
:Ahhhh....I can rest in peace now, I've finally been snubbed by Fred.
Thanks!
:

That's not a 'snub'. *Perhaps you should check a dictionary for the
meaning of that word while you're trying to figure out how to use
Google?

*Chortle* Remember Fred we're talking Brad Guth and his odd use of the
language. It never occurred to me that something Brad would type would be
Google-able. Oh and Fred....being condescending to someone IS a snub. If you
don't think so I love to see you explain why it wouldn't be.


Fred has no clue when he's condescending. He REALLY thinks that he
isn't when he is.

On Feb 17, 12:32*pm, "The Big DP" wrote:
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: : Borg
: : : Zionist Nazi. :-D
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: : :
: : : *SNORT* hee hee hee...good one, Pat
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On Feb 8, 5:55*pm, "The Big DP" wrote:
"OM" wrote in message

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On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:51:54 -0800, "The Big DP"
wrote:

I have stated more than once that there's very little
of note to contribute by me.

...Then you don't count, much less have the right to criticize me. Not
one word. End of story.

PLONK

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * OM

I am not surprised....but I am saddened. You Coward!

OM is really a character on the Simpsons, or that's what he acts like.

On Feb 17, 9:33*am, Eric Chomko wrote:
On Feb 6, 1:17*pm, Michael Gallagher wrote:

On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:06:53 -0800 (PST), Eric Chomko

wrote:
Comparing Cameron to Obama is a stretch.

As far as the magnitude of the risk goes, yes.

Obama would have to do lots of stupid stuff to enter the Twilight Zone
left behind by the Bush administration. I find it really fascinating
how the Republicans blame Obama for Bush's mess. The fact that things
haven't gotten worse and that we have hit bottom indicates that Obama
has managed to do something positive after many years of Bush's
negatives.



....Unless you think Constellation was poorly designed in the first place.

Which comes around to my point: *Outside the aerospace and space
enthusiast communities, who even debated the point? *Probably nobody.

No, the actual rocket scientists thought it a poor design as well. You
know, the ones that have to actually build the thing.

The lead sentences of the story were about the cancellations, not a
celebration of a "better choice." *You can't get past that just by
arguing on usenet.

Right, that goes both ways. Your points are just as worthless and good
as mine.



.... *Where's the Augustine commission's heavy lifter going to fly from
without them?

Wallops Island?

They have LC39-sized pads I never hear of?

The have area to put any size launch pads.



.... You sound bitter ....

I don't feel bitter. * *

..... What do you really want, if you allow yourself to
push your party agenda aside for a minute?

No party agenda involved. *As for what I want, I thought Constellation
had the best shot of getting astronauts back to the Moon and on to
Mars. *That program is now dead, so I want to see what happens. *But
something HAS to happen, or it's a misstep for Obama.

The reuse of the SRBs as mandatory doomed Ares I. You don't make that
kind of decision and then work around it. It smacks of an economic
decision instead of a engineering one driving the design.



If Obama's space plan isn't a hit, it will be a flop, and he'll
probably spend the rest of his life explaining it.

There is no middle ground? ....

Not for Obama. *The messianic image that grew around him during the
2008 campaign set him up for trouble. *

That is the Rush Limbaugh wish. People said similar things about
Clinton and then we had the best economy in decades.

Even in good times, he never
would have lived up to it; anything less than being awesome and his
adminstration could be considered a flop,

No, just be better than Bush and as good as Clinton without the moral
failings and we'll all be fine except for Republicans' egos. But in my
experience when Republicans aren't bitching is when we are headed into
trouble. The deafening silence during the last few years of Bush were
tell tale signs.

even if he's competent a the
job (which I believe he is). *Well, it wasn't the best of times, and
he elected right in the middle of a finacial meltdown and charged with
fixing the whole world.

Bush screwed things up badly. Bush was not qualified to run the
country for 4 years much less 8.

*Along the way, we learned he's only human.

All intelligent people knew that all along. Don't let the media sway
you. The biggest brainwash the media has done is make Republicans feel
that the media is liberal.

He and the dems have major political problems, no question. *Can he
get around them? *Maybe, but a gamble that doesn't play out hon't
help, regardkess of whether it directly hurts his reelection chances.

...... Anything is better than the Bush plan was.

That remains to be seen. *What matters is when the rubber meets the
road. *

Yep, we'll see.

ZNRs are always so faith-based and republican mindset predictable,
especially of those contributing within this global public information
medium of publishing via Google/NOVA and Usenet/newsgroup plus private
groups doing their own independent research, deductive analogy and
free thinking (unmoderated dot connecting) thing of sharing their
interpretation.

Of course there are a good number of our social/political and
religious special-interest cabals that have strictly moderated their
Usenet/newsgroups and otherwise protecting their private groups
whereas essentially nothing is open or much less representing free
speech.

~ BG

On Feb 5, 8:00*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"OM" wrote in message

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On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:44:38 GMT, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Well, I think it deserves a more measured response than that...

...Brian, the "measured response" I want to give catamitic trolls like
"jonathan" are carefully measured blows from a Louisville Slugger with
a railroad spike in the business end. Measured to apply the proper
amount of force to cause permanent pain without killing the little
*******, because I'd want him to suffer for the rest of his unnatural
life without being able to troll again.

"jonathan" deserves this as assuredly as a child molester would at the
very minimum.

Ya know, you may find this hard to believe, but directly experiencing
the pure hate of others is surprisingly educational. Why I'm pure evil
to you is odd, I've made it clear for years my goal is to see NASA
have a zero added to it's budget, and soon.

Wait, manned spaceflight or all of NASA? What about all the good solar
stuff and astronomy, unmanned missions to the outer planets, earth
observation?


Space Solar Power
is far more popular than the Moon in the polls. * While also being
within the realm of possibility in technology, competitiveness and
within one of the very largest industries on Earth, energy.
A 'thin' and crucial industry badly needing new sources.

It's only waiting for lower cost to orbit to become practical.

Not to mention the idea makes sense on many other levels, it's
easy to sell and could become very popular in the foreseeable
future, given the negative trends within the current energy market.
It's the only renewable that can tap directly into baseload
power.

It can be very popular with the greens, and with big business.
It can appeal to the doves that wish to spread prosperity
world wide, as well as the hawks that see it as a solution
to our greatest single national security weakness.

What happens if it go into the wrong hands?


It can start a new and large high tech industry which requires
solutions to the high cost to orbit. Which alone can enable
anything else we wish to do in space.

And Space Solar Power is engineering on a grand scale, so
much so, that it's accomplishments will easily become a
permanent player in the largest of all stages, the night sky.
And it's benefits seen as a turning point in human history.

Apollo saved the world from itself in winning the cold war.

The USSR fell in upon itself. And the Cold War raged on 20 years after
Apollo.


Repeating Apollo means doing just that again.
But from the greatest global threats of ....today.

Fossil fuels and climate change.

NASA needs to become an advisor, not just
a pawn, stand up and say that they can
solve those two problems. They CAN!

Where does the DOE fit in? NSF?

If for no other reason than that, they SHOULD!.
And there's no reason why an ambitious SSP
program can't begin tomorrow within the
existing budget. As pure research is the first
step, not the hardware.

You haven't thought how ALL the players would get involved. How are
you going to lift the barrier to entry as imposed by oil companies
using fossil fuels to now retool and invest into SSP?


Being a leader in space means being the first to figure out
how to put space activity ....to good use.


No, NASA needs to get us there it is up to industry to figure out how
to use it.