Why Colonize Space?

John Stafford wrote
Quadibloc wrote
Giga just(removetheseandaddmatthe end) wrote

I'm sure there are other sheilding methods than just great big
lumps of lead. Surely one can generate something of a magnetic
field around the spaceship (loads of free electricity after all).

Not all forms of radiation consist of electrically charged particles.

John, but aren't the uncharged particles harmless to us?

Nope, most obviously with Xrays.

I'm probably confused regarding ionized and not.

Just very confused.

OP: How about surrounding the craft with water tanks (of ice).
Water will be necessary anyway.

Doesnt stop plenty of things.

On Jul 20, 10:52*pm, "Fred" wrote:
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:
Puppet_Sock wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What if colinization can pay for itself and turn a profit?

None, zero, nada, ziltch.

Here's a deal for you.

Nope, its just your pathetic little drug crazed fantasy.

*plonk*

Fat lot of good that will ever do you, ****wit child.

I never plonk anyone I eat trolls for breakfast, I am the best there
has ever been, so watch it. I am a troll's trollio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJlGLj6WJ1k

The idea that space colonization could turn a profit is sustained.

Immortalista wrote
Fred wrote
Dimensional Traveler wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Puppet_Sock wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What if colinization can pay for itself and turn a profit?

None, zero, nada, ziltch.

Here's a deal for you.

Nope, its just your pathetic little drug crazed fantasy.

*plonk*

Fat lot of good that will ever do you, ****wit child.

I never plonk anyone I eat trolls for breakfast,

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

I am the best there has ever been,

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

so watch it. I am a troll's trollio.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJlGLj6WJ1k

Just another completely mindless childish steaming turd.

The idea that space colonization could turn a profit is sustained.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

On Jul 21, 1:48*am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote

Puppet_Sock wrote
Oh, by the way. Space is already making huge stacks
of money for those participating. Space has been a
net profit for some considerable time now. There are
these things called weather satts, telecom satts, GPS,
and others. They are already producing more revenue
than is spent on space, by a lot. So you can just go
turn in your GPS, your cell phone, your internet
connection, your weather reports, etc.
You've confused "space" with "manned space"

Indeed.

The only ones that have made a buck off of manned space are the Russians with their space tourist program.

They didnt make any money out of that either, just
got back a microscopic percentage of their costs.

And you notice that they just take one tourist along on a already
planned trip to the ISS, and haven't started to send up Soyuz flights
with all-tourist crews, or build a space station just for tourist use.

What if a tourist industry begins to form in space? Not to easy to
automate unless robots fiddle with each other. Is tourism a worthy
endeavor?

And you notice that they just take one tourist along on a already
planned trip to the ISS, and haven't started to send up Soyuz flights
with all-tourist crews, or build a space station just for tourist use.

What if a tourist industry begins to form in space? Not to easy to
automate unless robots fiddle with each other. Is tourism a worthy
endeavor?

It very well may be. But it does not lead to colonization (raising
children in space) in any obvious way.

In sci.physics Immortalista wrote:
On Jul 21, 1:48Â*am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote

Puppet_Sock wrote
Oh, by the way. Space is already making huge stacks
of money for those participating. Space has been a
net profit for some considerable time now. There are
these things called weather satts, telecom satts, GPS,
and others. They are already producing more revenue
than is spent on space, by a lot. So you can just go
turn in your GPS, your cell phone, your internet
connection, your weather reports, etc.
You've confused "space" with "manned space"

Indeed.

The only ones that have made a buck off of manned space are the Russians with their space tourist program.

They didnt make any money out of that either, just
got back a microscopic percentage of their costs.

And you notice that they just take one tourist along on a already
planned trip to the ISS, and haven't started to send up Soyuz flights
with all-tourist crews, or build a space station just for tourist use.

What if a tourist industry begins to form in space? Not to easy to
automate unless robots fiddle with each other. Is tourism a worthy
endeavor?

The whims of a few rich people does not constitute an industry.

To become an industry, the cost would have to come down to be comparable
to a week in Hawaii, and that isn't going to happen without an astounding
breakthrough.

And then what would you do for a week in space? Horseback riding, golf,
laying by the pool, shopping?


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Jim Pennino

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Immortalista wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Pat Flannery wrote
Puppet_Sock wrote

Oh, by the way. Space is already making huge stacks
of money for those participating. Space has been a
net profit for some considerable time now. There are
these things called weather satts, telecom satts, GPS,
and others. They are already producing more revenue
than is spent on space, by a lot. So you can just go
turn in your GPS, your cell phone, your internet
connection, your weather reports, etc.

You've confused "space" with "manned space"

Indeed.

The only ones that have made a buck off of manned
space are the Russians with their space tourist program.

They didnt make any money out of that either, just
got back a microscopic percentage of their costs.

And you notice that they just take one tourist along on a already
planned trip to the ISS, and haven't started to send up Soyuz flights
with all-tourist crews, or build a space station just for tourist use.

What if a tourist industry begins to form in space?

Thats not colonisation, thats tourism, stupid.

Not to easy to automate unless robots fiddle with each other.

We havent colonised antartica, just have a few tourist operations pass thru occassionally.

In spades with the top of everest etc.

Is tourism a worthy endeavor?

Whether it is or not is an entirely separate issue to
whether COLONISATION makes any sense whatever.

If a few want to tour the moon or mars, they are welcome to pay what it costs to do that.

wrote:
In sci.physics Immortalista wrote:
On Jul 21, 1:48 am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote

Puppet_Sock wrote
Oh, by the way. Space is already making huge stacks
of money for those participating. Space has been a
net profit for some considerable time now. There are
these things called weather satts, telecom satts, GPS,
and others. They are already producing more revenue
than is spent on space, by a lot. So you can just go
turn in your GPS, your cell phone, your internet
connection, your weather reports, etc.
You've confused "space" with "manned space"
Indeed.

The only ones that have made a buck off of manned space are the Russians with their space tourist program.
They didnt make any money out of that either, just
got back a microscopic percentage of their costs.

And you notice that they just take one tourist along on a already
planned trip to the ISS, and haven't started to send up Soyuz flights
with all-tourist crews, or build a space station just for tourist use.
What if a tourist industry begins to form in space? Not to easy to
automate unless robots fiddle with each other. Is tourism a worthy
endeavor?

The whims of a few rich people does not constitute an industry.

To become an industry, the cost would have to come down to be comparable
to a week in Hawaii, and that isn't going to happen without an astounding
breakthrough.

And then what would you do for a week in space? Horseback riding, golf,
laying by the pool, shopping?



Futurama did this better than anybody else ever will (Futurama Season 1,
Episode 2: The Series Has Landed )

And, FWIW, there (was) interest:
http://pournelle.com/view/2009/Q3/view580.html#Monday
"We discontinued the registry because we were overwhelmed. We simply
didn't have the resources to check qualifications and keep records;
there were far too many volunteers, many of them obviously qualified."

--
Les Cargill

Michael Stemper wrote:

If you want to live someplace where survival is difficult, you could go
to someplace like Nunavut or the Sahel today. No selection to pass. They
have the additional advantage that you don't need special equipment in
order to breathe.

ever been to nunavut at night in feb? don't breath the air unequipped.
it's painful. occasionally applies further south, too.

regards
jack tingle

In sci.physics Les Cargill wrote:
wrote:
In sci.physics Immortalista wrote:
On Jul 21, 1:48 am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote

Puppet_Sock wrote
Oh, by the way. Space is already making huge stacks
of money for those participating. Space has been a
net profit for some considerable time now. There are
these things called weather satts, telecom satts, GPS,
and others. They are already producing more revenue
than is spent on space, by a lot. So you can just go
turn in your GPS, your cell phone, your internet
connection, your weather reports, etc.
You've confused "space" with "manned space"
Indeed.

The only ones that have made a buck off of manned space are the Russians with their space tourist program.
They didnt make any money out of that either, just
got back a microscopic percentage of their costs.

And you notice that they just take one tourist along on a already
planned trip to the ISS, and haven't started to send up Soyuz flights
with all-tourist crews, or build a space station just for tourist use.
What if a tourist industry begins to form in space? Not to easy to
automate unless robots fiddle with each other. Is tourism a worthy
endeavor?

The whims of a few rich people does not constitute an industry.

To become an industry, the cost would have to come down to be comparable
to a week in Hawaii, and that isn't going to happen without an astounding
breakthrough.

And then what would you do for a week in space? Horseback riding, golf,
laying by the pool, shopping?



Futurama did this better than anybody else ever will (Futurama Season 1,
Episode 2: The Series Has Landed )

I was really disappointed when Futurama was canceled.

At least they are still making movies.

And, FWIW, there (was) interest:
http://pournelle.com/view/2009/Q3/view580.html#Monday
"We discontinued the registry because we were overwhelmed. We simply
didn't have the resources to check qualifications and keep records;
there were far too many volunteers, many of them obviously qualified."

I've alway viewed Pournelle as borderline, but I didn't know he was part
of an indentured servitude scheme.



--
Jim Pennino

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