NASA@50

On Oct 7, 9:21*pm, (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:15:25 -0700 (PDT), in a place far, far away,
Eric Chomko made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

You write "ongoing national and global financial crisis". Oh really?
Exactly how does the US translate into "global"? The rest of the world
is doing fine we are the ones losing value with our currency. Half
right and half assed....again!

What was that again.? *Moron?

Yep, the Europeans are going to start cancelling their travel plans to
the US now.

You're the moron due to all your self-limiting beliefs.

On Oct 8, 7:48*am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 7 Oct, 21:46, Eric Chomko wrote:
* - Ian Parker

No mention of AI?!? What the f....?

Who are you and what did you do with Ian Parker?- Hide quoted text -

AI is an extremely important area. One really should view it as a
number of realated technologies. The most relevant for space is
robotics and the ability to reproduce human manual dexterity.

Linguistics and "understanding" if you like is interesting but not
reallyrelevant for space.

There has also been discussion on the $700e9 baleout. The fact the AI
has been used extensively to optimize the buying and selling of shares
is of great importance if we wish to regulate the stock market so that
it is stable. AI acts on what it sees. It does not have bullish
enthusiasm or bearish despondency. In fact an AI system (Stock
Exchange) can be REQUIRED to have built in stability.

I cannot see any grandiose space project (like SSP) being viable
without the vast majority of the materials used coming from space.
This implies that robotics is a key technology. To be sure you need to
engineer a SSP system. It needs to be capable of deliving power in a
flexible way. It needs to use phase coherence. This being said it
should be clear that although we can do a lot to demonstrate the
safety and feasibility of a SSP phase control system a full scale
Petawatt system can ONLY be produced and assembled in space.

What should NASA do? Simply wait or try to play some part. I feel that
NASA should :-

1) Try to educate politicians and the public into this way of
thinking.

Politicians are all too connected to industries and their corporations
which are only concerned with their bottom lines.

2) Get the manufacturers of robots interested in the space based
possibilities. NASA should partially fund a selection of key projects.


NASA has several robotics projects. Heck the Mars rovers may very well
be the most famous "robots" working today.

Eric

On 8 Oct, 18:06, Eric Chomko wrote:

1) Try to educate politicians and the public into this way of
thinking.

Politicians are all too connected to industries and their corporations
which are only concerned with their bottom lines.

The politicians are the people who are demanding a Moon base and then
Mars. I am suggesting two things. Firstly the Moon is not the right
place to set off from for Mars. Secondly a manned expedition to Mars
should not be a high priority anyway.

The bottom line. What is on the bottom line? In a business this is
profit. In politics it is getting elected. Will Mars get you to the
White House? This is the bottom line question. No this election at any
rate will be "The Economy stupid". $100billion not injected directly
into the economy will be a big no no.

2) Get the manufacturers of robots interested in the space based
possibilities. NASA should partially fund a selection of key projects.

NASA has several robotics projects. Heck the Mars rovers may very well
be the most famous "robots" working today.

The Mars Rovers - yes. These vehicles are in fact rather primitive in
robotic terms. They do their job, don't get me wrong. What I would be
interested in would be something capacle of stripping dows Hubble and
putting it together again. Or a robot that can travel across Mars at a
good walking pace. Not a few meters a day.


- Ian Parker

Mr. Behn, when you make an analogy between asteroid mining and the
Spanish treasure fleets, bear in mind that said Spanish didn't have to
build their own cities, or mine their own gold. That had already been
done over several centuries, by the native civilizations the Spanish
conquered. Unless there are "dusky savages" somewhere in the Kirkwood
Gap that we can exploit -- maybe some kind of automated system? --
it's not really the best analogy for Belt colonization.

On Oct 8, 11:29 am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 8 Oct, 18:06, Eric Chomko wrote:

1) Try to educate politicians and the public into this way of
thinking.

Politicians are all too connected to industries and their corporations
which are only concerned with their bottom lines.

The politicians are the people who are demanding a Moon base and then
Mars. I am suggesting two things. Firstly the Moon is not the right
place to set off from for Mars. Secondly a manned expedition to Mars
should not be a high priority anyway.

The bottom line. What is on the bottom line? In a business this is
profit. In politics it is getting elected. Will Mars get you to the
White House? This is the bottom line question. No this election at any
rate will be "The Economy stupid". $100billion not injected directly
into the economy will be a big no no.

2) Get the manufacturers of robots interested in the space based
possibilities. NASA should partially fund a selection of key projects.

NASA has several robotics projects. Heck the Mars rovers may very well
be the most famous "robots" working today.

The Mars Rovers - yes. These vehicles are in fact rather primitive in
robotic terms. They do their job, don't get me wrong. What I would be
interested in would be something capacle of stripping dows Hubble and
putting it together again. Or a robot that can travel across Mars at a
good walking pace. Not a few meters a day.

- Ian Parker

And then there's Venus with significant complex and very intelligent
looking infrastructure to start off with.

~ BG

On Oct 6, 8:28 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
jacob navia wrote:
avid Spain wrote:
: Rand Simberg wrote:

: I have some birthday thoughts for the space agency:
:
:http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/nasa-tu...4-so-now-what/
:
: Reply posted to your blog.
:
:You (and Simberg) talk about "the private sector"...
:
:The "private sector" isn't going anywhere. The highest flight is a
:few kilometers above the earth, they haven't even managed to make
:a single orbiting flight.
:

Let's not tell all the telecom and Earth observation people, ok?

:
:NASA has reached for the first time the limits of the solar
:system with the Voyager probes: they entered interstellar space.
:

That's because there's no commercial reason to go there right now.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

We still do not have a Selene/moon L1 platform of science, much less
an oasis/gateway depot (Clarke Station) that future space travel can
utilize.

Why is that?

What is our DARPA and their NASA/Apollo not telling us?

Why are you and others of your all-knowing kind such a liars?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG

On Oct 11, 11:24*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 6, 8:28 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:





jacob navia wrote:
avid Spain wrote:
: Rand Simberg wrote:

: I have some birthday thoughts for the space agency:
:
:http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/nasa-tu...4-so-now-what/
:
: Reply posted to your blog.
:
:You (and Simberg) talk about "the private sector"...
:
:The "private sector" isn't going anywhere. The highest flight is a
:few kilometers above the earth, they haven't even managed to make
:a single orbiting flight.
:

Let's not tell all the telecom and Earth observation people, ok?

:
:NASA has reached for the first time the limits of the solar
:system with the Voyager probes: they entered interstellar space.
:

That's because there's no commercial reason to go there right now.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
*territory."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --G. Behn

We still do not have a Selene/moon L1 platform of science, much less
an oasis/gateway depot (Clarke Station) that future space travel can
utilize.

Why is that?

What is our DARPA and their NASA/Apollo not telling us?

Why are you and others of your all-knowing kind such a liars?


Brad, you don't know the difference between the lies and the truth, so
what differences does it make to you?

On Oct 14, 7:24 am, Eric Chomko wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:24 am, BradGuth wrote:



On Oct 6, 8:28 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:

jacob navia wrote:
avid Spain wrote:
: Rand Simberg wrote:

: I have some birthday thoughts for the space agency:
:
:http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/nasa-tu...4-so-now-what/
:
: Reply posted to your blog.
:
:You (and Simberg) talk about "the private sector"...
:
:The "private sector" isn't going anywhere. The highest flight is a
:few kilometers above the earth, they haven't even managed to make
:a single orbiting flight.
:

Let's not tell all the telecom and Earth observation people, ok?

:
:NASA has reached for the first time the limits of the solar
:system with the Voyager probes: they entered interstellar space.
:

That's because there's no commercial reason to go there right now.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

We still do not have a Selene/moon L1 platform of science, much less
an oasis/gateway depot (Clarke Station) that future space travel can
utilize.

Why is that?

What is our DARPA and their NASA/Apollo not telling us?

Why are you and others of your all-knowing kind such a liars?

Brad, you don't know the difference between the lies and the truth, so
what differences does it make to you?

Will, now that you should ask, and as long as your incest mutated kind
are so systematically intent upon taking us to the cleaners, as well
as over the edge of Earth, it really doesn’t hardly matter because
soon enough it’ll all be over.

Since you folks obviously can’t deal with objective and peer
replicated science as honestly formulated or revised evidence, why
don’t you go back to your Republican Mafia of institutional profit
takings of our hard earned public loot. After all, it’s the right
kind of Zionist/Nazi offshore tax avoidance and public loot hording
thing to be doing, isn’t it?

Obviously state and federal regulations via their SEC along with their
global banking transaction tracing authority that our Patriot Act
gives them full access to, could just as easily monitor and thereby
tax such systematic day by day and even hour by hour profit takings at
50%, that is if they weren’t all part of the cookie jar gang of blood
sucking thieves to start off with.

Perhaps our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush), his trusty bed-wetting
partner Dick Cheney and their mutual brown-nosed SEC along with their
private Federal Reserve cabal/cartel are really not nearly as dumb as
some of us might care to think, because it seems their investment
portfolios are anything but suffering. If a certain young and
otherwise capable democrat got elected, how long do you give BHO to
live?

BTW, I most certainly know objective and/or peer replicated science
when I see it, hear it or read about it. I also know when I’m being
snookered to death by those of your silly LLPOF kind.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG