TERRIBLE Nobel Prize for Accelerating Universe

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:31:08 -0700, "hanson" wrote:

"Tom Potter" wrote:
[edited for brevity]
China is doing a great job. I dare say that they are better

The main problem that China has now, is to discourage
people from buying cars and getting fat, and preventing
the Mass Media from instigating a revolution.

hanson wrote:
... ahahahaha... Notwithstanding your factual, standard
railings against the kikes, the examples of your praise on
China can be seen daily on the english version of CCTV.

However, I haven't heard a word from you, what interests
me. Here is the question again: ... What do the
Chinese Planners contemplate and say when their
--- "1 child per family" policy does mature? ---

It looks to me like that each one of these now little
single kids, when they become 40-50 years of age,
will have to take care of and support 2 to 4 geriatric
family members, plus a huge govt. bureaucracy.

That disproportionate population ratio will become
by mid-century, by all measures an unsustainable
burden, no matter what you said above in your praise.
What say you?

Old people don't necessarily need to be looked after.
The biggest problem for China is that most of them smoke...and that will
cause many old age health problems that wouldn't normally happen.
At least the government is now trying to discourage the habit.

But the best aspect of Chinese culture is that it bans religion.
China is now about the only hope the civilized world has of stopping the
islamic takeover.

On Oct 13, 9:31*am, "hanson" wrote:
"Tom Potter" wrote:

[edited for brevity]
China is doing a great job. I dare say that they are better
prepared for the 21st Century than any other nation.
It seems to me that the Chinese are just enjoying
the their greatly improved standard of living,
snip building roads, rail lines, subways, infrastructure
snip great advances in agriculture and aquaculture,
snip buy potatoes from Mongolia snip China grows
lots of rice in the south, snip they have an excess
of fish, shrimp,seaweed, etc. and America will not let
them sell it because it would undercut the American
producers. snip China is diverting a lot of water...

Contrast this with Israel,
which wastes so much water with swimming pools and
landscaping, that they have depleted all their supply,
and have not only stolen billions of dollars from their
neighbors, including Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon,
and in fact waged a war against Lennon in an effort
to tap into the Litany River and steal more water.
Some years ago, Israeli entrepreneurs ( Crooks )
built some green houses in Gaza, and after they
depleted all the ground water, were pumping salt
water in, etc, etc.

The *main problem that China has now, is to discourage
people from buying cars and getting fat, and preventing
the Mass Media from instigating a revolution.

hanson wrote:

... ahahahaha... Notwithstanding your factual, standard
railings against the kikes, the examples of your praise on
China can be seen daily on the english version of CCTV.

However, I haven't heard a word from you, what interests
me. *Here is the question again: *... *What do the
Chinese Planners contemplate and say when their
*--- *"1 child per family" policy does mature? ---

It looks to me like that each one of these now little
single kids, when they become 40-50 years of age,
will have to take care of and support 2 to 4 geriatric
family members, plus a huge govt. bureaucracy.

That disproportionate population ratio will become
by mid-century, by all measures an unsustainable
burden, no matter what you said above in your praise.
What say you?

Whatever China does is done with a great deal of experience.

We should be so lucky.

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..... ahahahaha.. . ahahaha.. Tom Potter-wanna-be
"Henry Wilson DSc." ..@.., the quick-stand-in, wrote:

Old people don't necessarily need to be looked after.
The biggest problem for China is that most of them
smoke...and that will cause many old age health
problems that wouldn't normally happen. At least
the government is now trying to discourage the habit.
But the best aspect of Chinese culture is that it bans
religion. China is now about the only hope the civilized
world has of stopping the islamic takeover.

hanson wrote:
Henry, it is not quite clear why you, as an Aussie, are
more bent on a quick side-step answer then is Tom
Potter who has been living in Cathay for the last 20
years. Here is what I wanted to hear from Potter:

"Tom Potter" wrote:
[edited for brevity]
China is doing a great job. I dare say that they are better
prepared for the 21st Century than any other nation.
It seems to me that the Chinese are just enjoying
the their greatly improved standard of living,
snip building roads, rail lines, subways, infrastructure
snip great advances in agriculture and aquaculture,
snip buy potatoes from Mongolia snip China grows
lots of rice in the south, snip they have an excess
of fish, shrimp,seaweed, etc. and America will not let
them sell it because it would undercut the American
producers. snip China is diverting a lot of water...

Contrast this with Israel,
which wastes so much water with swimming pools and
landscaping, that they have depleted all their supply,
and have not only stolen billions of dollars from their
neighbors, including Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon,
and in fact waged a war against Lebanon in an effort
to tap into the Litany River and steal more water.
Some years ago, Israeli Crooks built some green
houses in Gaza, & after they depleted all the ground
water, were pumping salt water in, etc, etc.

hanson wrote:
.... ahahaha.. yeah, yeah, yeah, ... about China not IL
I wanna hear answers from you. So, to prompt you
Tom, this will make your heart sing. All that thievery
by the kikes from their poor neighbors ahs resulted
in poetic justice:
The Jews frustration NOT being able to exist on their
own abilities is now demonstrated by Jews themselves,
in 2011, when Jews finally took to the streets in Tel Aviv,
.... MILLIONS of'em, for months now, in what they call
"the Housing Protest", the "Social justice protest", the
"Cost of Living protest", "the Real Estate Protest","the
Tents Protest" & "the Middle Class Protest" & now on
12-Oct, == "Israeli doctors resign en mass"== papers
say... IOW, Jews themselves protest Jewish MO &
behavior, realizing that == Jewish **** DOES stink! ==

http://tinyurl.com/2011-protests-in-Israel... & it gets
even better: Fox News aired Rabbi Epstein's commercial
on 13-Oct-2011, wherein he begs for $50 from Xtians
http://tinyurl.com/Jews-beg-Christians-for-money
to feed poor Jews in Israel, where "Soup-kitchen lines
get long and longer" in a State where 26% live under
the poverty line. -- (26% maybe the 26% of Arab Jews
in Israel.. and the kikes want the Xtians to feed them.)
..... ahahahaha....

"Tom Potter" wrote:
The main problem that China has now, is to discourage
people from buying cars and getting fat, and preventing
the Mass Media from instigating a revolution.

hanson wrote:
.... ahahahaha... Notwithstanding your factual, standard
railings against the kikes, the examples of your praise on
China can be seen daily on the english version of CCTV.

However, I haven't heard a word from you, what interests
me. Here is the question again: ... What do the

Chinese Planners contemplate and say when their
--- "1 child per family" policy does mature? ---

It looks to me like that each one of these now little
single kids, when they become 40-50 years of age,
will have to take care of and support 2 to 4 geriatric
family members, plus a huge govt. bureaucracy.

That disproportionate population ratio will become
by mid-century, by all measures an unsustainable
burden, no matter what you said above in your praise.
What say you, POTTER?




--- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to ---

"Brad Guth" , who is another stand-in for
--- "Tom Potter" who
wrote:

"Tom Potter" wrote:
[edited for brevity]
China is doing a great job. I dare say that they are better
prepared for the 21st Century than any other nation.
It seems to me that the Chinese are just enjoying
the their greatly improved standard of living,
snip building roads, rail lines, subways, infrastructure
snip great advances in agriculture and aquaculture,
snip buy potatoes from Mongolia snip China grows
lots of rice in the south, snip they have an excess
of fish, shrimp,seaweed, etc. and America will not let
them sell it because it would undercut the American
producers. snip China is diverting a lot of water...

Contrast this with Israel,
which wastes so much water with swimming pools and
landscaping, that they have depleted all their supply,
and have not only stolen billions of dollars from their
neighbors, including Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon,
and in fact waged a war against Lebanon in an effort
to tap into the Litany River and steal more water.
Some years ago, Israeli Crooks built some green
houses in Gaza, & after they depleted all the ground
water, were pumping salt water in, etc, etc.

hanson wrote:
.... ahahaha.. yeah, yeah, yeah, ... about China not IL
I wanna hear answers from you. So, to prompt you
Tom, this will make your heart sing. All that thievery
by the kikes from their poor neighbors has resulted
in poetic justice:
The Jews frustration NOT being able to exist on their
own abilities is now demonstrated by Jews themselves,
in 2011, when Jews finally took to the streets in Tel Aviv,
.... MILLIONS of'em, for months now, in what they call
"the Housing Protest", the "Social justice protest", the
"Cost of Living protest", "the Real Estate Protest","the
Tents Protest" & "the Middle Class Protest" & now on
12-Oct, == "Israeli doctors resign en mass"== papers
say... IOW, Jews themselves protest Jewish MO &
behavior, realizing that == Jewish **** DOES stink! ==

http://tinyurl.com/2011-protests-in-Israel... & it gets
even better: Fox News aired Rabbi Epstein's commercial
on 13-Oct-2011, wherein he begs for $50 from Xtians
http://tinyurl.com/Jews-beg-Christians-for-money
to feed poor Jews in Israel, where "Soup-kitchen lines
get long and longer" in a State where 26% live under
the poverty line. -- (26% maybe the 26% of Arab Jews
in Israel.. and the kikes want the Xtians to feed them.)
..... ahahahaha....

"Tom Potter" wrote:
The main problem that China has now, is to discourage
people from buying cars and getting fat, and preventing
the Mass Media from instigating a revolution.

hanson wrote:
.... ahahahaha... Notwithstanding your factual, standard
railings against the kikes, the examples of your praise on
China can be seen daily on the english version of CCTV.

However, I haven't heard a word from you, what interests
me. Here is the question again: ...

------------ What do the --------------
Chinese Planners contemplate and say when their
--- "1 child per family" policy does mature? ---

It looks to me like that each one of these now little
single kids, when they become 40-50 years of age,
will have to take care of and support 2 to 4 geriatric
family members, plus a huge govt. bureaucracy.

That disproportionate population ratio will become
by mid-century, by all measures an unsustainable
burden, no matter what you said above in your praise.
What say you, POTTER?

Brad Guth wrote:
Whatever China does is done with a great deal of experience.

hanson wrote:
Don't be such a lamenting dingbat, Brad. The modern
China has no more experience than has Israel, both
being countries that emerged out of WWII. China
worked hard and did well. The Kikes stole, quarreled
and (see above) reduced themselves to beggars.

Brad Guth wrote:
We should be so lucky (as is China).

hanson wrote:
Yea, Brad, you the unemployed pinko-anarchist would
really be so lucky there... in one of their "Re-education
labor camps"... ahahahaha...


HEY POTTER, be a sport now and respond to
the question that has been simmering over there
and in the news, long long before I have posted
it here about the
\"consequences of the maturation of China's 1 child Policy"

On Oct 9, 9:32 pm, "Peter Webb" wrote:
"Koobee Wublee" wrote:

This law was never tested especially at such high-z distances. What
if Hubble’s law is not linear as claimed but goes like the following?

** z^2 = k^2 r

Following your proposed law, and object at distance 2x will have a relative
speed equal to sqrt(2) times greater than one at distance x, which shows
acceleration. It is moving 1.414 times as fast as when it was at distance x.
Therefore it is accelerating.

(shrug).

Learn some basic maths before even attempting physics or cosmology.

Webb must be dumber than any vegetables. shrug

The following comes from Wikipedia on curve fitting of Hubble’s law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hubble_constant.JPG

Notice all data points are less than 25M parsecs. Notice the error
bar. Tom needs to pay attention here. The high-z guys are working
with distance 10 to 100 times out than Hubble’s galaxies. shrug

"Koobee Wublee" wrote in message
...
On Oct 9, 9:32 pm, "Peter Webb" wrote:
"Koobee Wublee" wrote:

This law was never tested especially at such high-z distances. What
if Hubble’s law is not linear as claimed but goes like the following?

** z^2 = k^2 r

Following your proposed law, and object at distance 2x will have a
relative
speed equal to sqrt(2) times greater than one at distance x, which shows
acceleration. It is moving 1.414 times as fast as when it was at distance
x.
Therefore it is accelerating.

(shrug).

Learn some basic maths before even attempting physics or cosmology.

Webb must be dumber than any vegetables. shrug

The following comes from Wikipedia on curve fitting of Hubble’s law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hubble_constant.JPG

Notice all data points are less than 25M parsecs. Notice the error
bar. Tom needs to pay attention here. The high-z guys are working
with distance 10 to 100 times out than Hubble’s galaxies. shrug

__________________________________
I pointed out an elementary problem with your formula. It still shows an
accelerating Universe. This is grade school arithmetic. It has nothing to do
with experimental confirmation of Hubble's laws.

First you make simple, elementary mathematics results. Then you launch into
an attack on the person who could be bothered to show your mistake. Then you
try and pretend that some completely unrelated issue is the one being
discussed.

All signs of a crank.

"hanson" wrote in message
...
"Tom Potter" wrote:
[edited for brevity]
China is doing a great job. I dare say that they are better prepared for
the 21st Century than any other nation.
It seems to me that the Chinese are just enjoying
the their greatly improved standard of living,
snip building roads, rail lines, subways, infrastructure
snip great advances in agriculture and aquaculture,
snip buy potatoes from Mongolia snip China grows lots of rice in the
south, snip they have an excess of fish, shrimp,seaweed, etc. and
America will not let them sell it because it would undercut the American
producers. snip China is diverting a lot of water...

Contrast this with Israel,
which wastes so much water with swimming pools and
landscaping, that they have depleted all their supply,
and have not only stolen billions of dollars from their neighbors,
including Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon,
and in fact waged a war against Lennon in an effort
to tap into the Litany River and steal more water.
Some years ago, Israeli entrepreneurs ( Crooks )
built some green houses in Gaza, and after they depleted all the ground
water, were pumping salt water in, etc, etc.

The main problem that China has now, is to discourage people from buying
cars and getting fat, and preventing the Mass Media from instigating a
revolution.

hanson wrote:
... ahahahaha... Notwithstanding your factual, standard
railings against the kikes, the examples of your praise on China can be
seen daily on the english version of CCTV.

However, I haven't heard a word from you, what interests
me. Here is the question again: ... What do the Chinese Planners
contemplate and say when their --- "1 child per family" policy does
mature? ---

It looks to me like that each one of these now little
single kids, when they become 40-50 years of age, will have to take care
of and support 2 to 4 geriatric family members, plus a huge govt.
bureaucracy.

That disproportionate population ratio will become by mid-century, by all
measures an unsustainable burden, no matter what you said above in your
praise. What say you?

1. Efficient water distribution, and more intensive aquaculture
can greatly increase food production.
For example, the Mississippi Delta could support an aquaculture
that would feed all of the people in America,
and no other land or water resources would be needed.

2. The problem with goods production is not in producing enough goods,
but in fair and widespread distribution.

Even before the Industrial Revolution and computerized automation,
there were more people who wanted the jobs in production,
and unions and guilds were formed to maintain a monopoly
of the jobs for the members.

And of course, government employees use the power
of government to maintain their jobs,
and an excessive share of the food and production of others.

3. Social disorder and revolution comes about
when many people are deprived of an equitable share
of the goods and services, and when faulty distribution
prevents many people from accessing goods and services.

4. The key to preventing social disorder is to
provide the vast majority with an adequate amount
of goods and services, or if there is an excess of
goods and services and an unfair distribution,
to distribute the goods fairly, or at least brainwash
those with less goods that they are getting their fair share.

As long as an effective infrastructure remains,
the disruption of production can almost always be
cured quickly or one commodity can be used to
replace the disrupted commodity.

And even when massive infrastructures and
distribution systems are disrupted,
as they were in Germany and Japan after WWI,
the affected people can usually make adjustments
to a decreased standard of living, and to supplement
their substance with home produced and home grown
commodities.

In other words, at the global level,
far more food and commodities can be produced
than the masses can accept and absorb, thus the need
for advertising to convince the masses that they need
"Pet Rocks", Ipads, breast implants, jewelry, fancy cars and clothes,
swimming pools, diamonds, tattoos, caviar, expensive wines, etc.

The key to maintaining domestic tranquility is to
not allow anyone to disrupt the means of production,
and to build an efficient, secure distribution system
that can get commodities to the people who need them,
and then to the people that want them.

A rational production system would survey the masses
to determine what they NEED and WANT,

and then allocate resources to PRODUCE the commodities,

and then develop the distribution system to DISTRIBUTE
the commodities.

The most efficient distribution system would eliminate
advertising, salesmen, stores, trade shows, and non-essentials,
and would provide pick up places for essentials
and point to point delivery for non-essential commodities.

When I was an entrepreneur,
I tried to reward producers,
and put the heat on non-producers
with the hope that they would quit.

My employees used to say:
"Potter is for the greedy, not the needy."

I must mention that Potter is for the "GREEDY PRODUCERS"
NOT the "GREEDY NON-PRODUCERS",
like most government employees, unions members and
most Wall Street manipulators.

The question is,
how to reward the producers
and motivate the lazy, who end up being "needy",
union members and government employees,
and control the GREEDY NON-PRODUCERS.

In other words, the distribution of commodities
should focus on rewarding producers and punishing
non producers, and although the "Free Market"
now does the best job, it is not optimum.

Governments need to, and WILL HAVE TO,
begin to focus on better systems of reward and punishment,
and begin to ferret out pockets of waste and inefficiency.

The bottom line is,
the world can produce more than is needed,
and the world can distribute what is produced.

but GREEDY NON-PRODUCERS
in the world, in government, media, unions, and finance
have preventing the world from implementing
a better reward and punishment system,
not only in the production and distribution of commodities,
but in the punishment for their errors, omissions and crimes.

The Jean Valjeans get overly severe punishment
and the Madoffs and the Strauss-Kahns
are praised and glorified
and usually get away with their crimes.
http://news.yahoo.com/french-sex-ass...142758611.html

Without going into detail,
governments should focus on
setting up reward systems for people who make contributions,
and should eliminate the no bid contracts and such,

and no one should be allowed to have a career job
in government or in any position where they can greatly affect the
flow of resources and the distribution of commodities
and information, as they will eventfully game the system.

It has been said the "Power corrupts"
but it is my observation that
"Job security corrupts".

--
Tom Potter
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http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com

"Tom Potter" wrote:
in message ...
snip See post: ===== When Yellow turns Gray ======

On Oct 13, 8:16*pm, "hanson" wrote:
"Brad Guth" , who is another stand-in for
--- *"Tom Potter" who
wrote:

"Tom Potter" wrote:

[edited for brevity]
China is doing a great job. I dare say that they are better
prepared for the 21st Century than any other nation.
It seems to me that the Chinese are just enjoying
the their greatly improved standard of living,
snip building roads, rail lines, subways, infrastructure
snip great advances in agriculture and aquaculture,
snip buy potatoes from Mongolia snip China grows
lots of rice in the south, snip they have an excess
of fish, shrimp,seaweed, etc. and America will not let
them sell it because it would undercut the American
producers. snip China is diverting a lot of water...

Contrast this with Israel,
which wastes so much water with swimming pools and
landscaping, that they have depleted all their supply,
and have not only stolen billions of dollars from their
neighbors, including Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon,
and in fact waged a war against Lebanon in an effort
to tap into the Litany River and steal more water.
Some years ago, Israeli Crooks built some green
houses in Gaza, & after they depleted all the ground
water, were pumping salt water in, etc, etc.

hanson wrote:

... ahahaha.. yeah, yeah, yeah, ... about China not IL
I wanna hear answers from you. So, to prompt you
Tom, this will make your heart sing. *All that thievery
by the kikes from their poor neighbors has resulted
in poetic justice:
The Jews frustration NOT being able *to exist on their
own abilities is now demonstrated by Jews themselves,
in 2011, when Jews finally took to the streets in Tel Aviv,
... MILLIONS of'em, for months now, in what they call
"the Housing Protest", the "Social justice protest", the
"Cost of Living protest", "the Real Estate Protest","the
Tents Protest" & "the Middle Class Protest" & now on
12-Oct, == "Israeli doctors resign en mass"== papers
*say... IOW, Jews themselves protest Jewish MO &
behavior, realizing that == Jewish ***** DOES stink! ==

http://tinyurl.com/2011-protests-in-Israel... & it gets
even better: Fox News aired Rabbi Epstein's commercial
on 13-Oct-2011, wherein he begs for $50 from Xtians
http://tinyurl.com/Jews-beg-Christians-for-money
to feed poor Jews in Israel, where "Soup-kitchen lines
get long and longer" in a State where 26% live under
the poverty line. -- (26% maybe the 26% of Arab Jews
in Israel.. and the kikes want the Xtians to feed them.)
.... ahahahaha....

"Tom Potter" wrote:

The *main problem that China has now, is to discourage
people from buying cars and getting fat, and preventing
the Mass Media from instigating a revolution.

hanson wrote:

... ahahahaha... Notwithstanding your factual, standard
railings against the kikes, the examples of your praise on
China can be seen daily on the english version of CCTV.

However, I haven't heard a word from you, what interests
me. *Here is the question again: *... *

* * * * *------------ * *What do the --------------
Chinese Planners contemplate and say when their
*--- *"1 child per family" policy does mature? ---

It looks to me like that each one of these now little
single kids, when they become 40-50 years of age,
will have to take care of and support 2 to 4 geriatric
family members, plus a huge govt. bureaucracy.

That disproportionate population ratio will become
by mid-century, by all measures an unsustainable
burden, no matter what you said above in your praise.
What say you, POTTER?

Brad Guth wrote:

Whatever China does is done with a great deal of experience.

hanson wrote:

Don't be such a lamenting dingbat, Brad. The modern
China has no more experience than has Israel, both
being countries that emerged out of WWII. China
worked hard and did well. The Kikes stole, quarreled
and (see above) reduced themselves to beggars.

Brad Guth wrote:

We should be so lucky (as is China).

hanson wrote:

Yea, Brad, you the unemployed pinko-anarchist would
really be so lucky there... in one of their "Re-education
labor camps"... ahahahaha...

HEY POTTER, be a sport now and respond to
the question that has been simmering over there
and in the news, long long before I have posted
it here about the
\"consequences of the maturation of China's 1 child Policy"

For any nation as old and frequently abused as China, they have to be
doing something right, such as not being in debt beyond the point of
no return seems kind of wise.

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On Oct 7, 10:22*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 10/7/11 3:53 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote:



The whole business of accelerating expansion of your universe is
believe in the Chandrasekhar limit which itself is made up of several
dubious assumptions.

You got to be nuts to believe in all the assumptions that manifest the
Chandrasekhar limit.

You are out of your mind to dictate how your universe behaves by
believing in the Chandrasekhar limit.

* *There are a number of independent measures that confirm accelerated
* *expansion... nothing to do with supernovae, Type Ia or otherwise.

In the ASOVAC's convention (Caracas 1982) I presented my thesis that
the near universe have an accelerated expantion. And that acceleration
is
mesured by Newton's Gravitation Constant. (Nobody then gave any
attention)

That constant mesures the acceleration of expanding tridimensional
space by unit
of mass. With the Hubble Constant one can determine the mean density
of our near universe and viceversa.
Ludovicus