A retrospective look at Sirius B in its red supergiant phase

On May 31, 5:20*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On May 29, 12:12*pm, BradGuth wrote:



On May 23, 10:26*am, BradGuth wrote:

On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:

Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

The absolutely vibrant and cosmic stunning Sirius Star/solar system
birth as of 250~300 MBP started off at ~12 Msun, burned through the
vast bulk of its hydrogen extremely fast and only somewhat recently
became worth ~3.5 Msun, as having lost 8.5 of its solar masses, as
such the original mass is still existing elsewhere and most likely
producing photons of its own or as part of some other star/solar
system.

According to the vast majority of the best available experts, the mass
of our universe stays exactly the same, no matters what takes place,
but as a whole we seem to keep getting more and more of them photons
(mostly of those we can’t see) and possibly even more of those free/
rogue electrons and positrons to deal with. *However, is there any
limit in physics or quantum whatever as to how many photons this
universe or any given cubic light year can safely contain?

In addition to whatever a dense molecular cloud of hydrogen and helium
represents as an average population of 1e6/cm3 (1e12/m3) for the
natural cosmic evolution process of creating stars and essentially
everything else, how about we start off fairly small in order to
figure out what the maximum number of photons that a given IGM cubic
second (2.7e25 m3) can possibly contain, outside of whatever molecular
clouds or stars represent. *Even though the average cubic second of
the IGM might offer as little as 2.7e30 raw elements of mostly
hydrogen and helium atoms, there’s always the minimum 3D worth of
1024^6/cm3 * 1e6 = 1.153e24 photons/m3 as coexisting within each cubic
meter of IGM, thereby we have a minimum of 3.113e49 photons per cubic
second. *The photons per universe having the volume of 1.7e80 m3 =
6.296e54 ly3 is thereby 6.296e54 * 3.113e49 = 1.96e104 photons/sec,
times the age of our universe and counting.

Notice how certain faith-based mindsets (mostly of the Old Testament
thumping and politically skewed types of the born-again republican and/
or pretend-Atheist kind) are continually obfuscating by acting
oblivious and/or dumbfounded as to most of everything around us,
especially if such involves anything of ETs or bad and otherwise
unexpectedly spendy as hell. *Of course their not willing to share the
truth about much of anything doesn’t exactly help.

Secondly, notice how those in charge of most everything can’t ever
manage to say with any expertise or much less supercomputer simulated
within their own peer replicated results, as to where exactly the very
recent creation/birth of the truly massive Sirius star/solar system
took place, other than insisting it was supposedly nowhere nearby our
solar system. *However, I find these highly subjective and typically
obfuscation loaded kinds of replies somewhat disingenuous and/or less
believable than LeapFrog published infomercial physics along with all
of their nifty eye-candy science stuff, but then that’s understandably
setting our ‘no child left behind’ of uneducated truth standards a bit
high.

One of the newest and truly substantially massive star/solar systems
created within our galaxy, as having been situated extremely nearby
our well established solar system, and yet folks here within Usenet/
newsgroup of denial and perpetual naysay land do not seem to know
squat about its beginning, of its absolutely vibrant and fast
evolution (nearly a slow nova that would have given us one hell of a
sun burn, plus x-rays and gamma), much less of its absolutely
impressive red supergiant phase that only most recently converted
Sirius B into a white dwarf.

So, where's all the mainstream physics, of their astronomy eye-candy
science and their stacked composites and highly false colorized images
of its molecular cloud?

Interesting, that if we nicely ask of those in charge and supposedly
as smart as Einstein to put up or shut up, as to sharing the orbital
whereabouts of the original Sirius star/solar system, and/or forbid
our asking anything about its impressive red supergiant phase that
only recently flashed over into a white dwarf, or even that of
locating the remainder of its original cosmic molecular cloud of
perhaps 120,000 solar masses, all the sudden the Usenet/newsgroups
lights go out, and the doors start slamming shut. (it's as deafening
quite as if the Pope or Taliban leader walked unannounced into a local
synagogue)

Same thing goes for asking what should happen if Sirius ABC merge into
one combined nova/supernova, as Sirius B continues to feed off Sirius
A and turns itself into a neutron star. What could possibly go wrong
for us?

~ BG

On May 31, 5:20*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On May 29, 12:12*pm, BradGuth wrote:



On May 23, 10:26*am, BradGuth wrote:

On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:

Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

The absolutely vibrant and cosmic stunning Sirius Star/solar system
birth as of 250~300 MBP started off at ~12 Msun, burned through the
vast bulk of its hydrogen extremely fast and only somewhat recently
became worth ~3.5 Msun, as having lost 8.5 of its solar masses, as
such the original mass is still existing elsewhere and most likely
producing photons of its own or as part of some other star/solar
system.

According to the vast majority of the best available experts, the mass
of our universe stays exactly the same, no matters what takes place,
but as a whole we seem to keep getting more and more of them photons
(mostly of those we can’t see) and possibly even more of those free/
rogue electrons and positrons to deal with. *However, is there any
limit in physics or quantum whatever as to how many photons this
universe or any given cubic light year can safely contain?

In addition to whatever a dense molecular cloud of hydrogen and helium
represents as an average population of 1e6/cm3 (1e12/m3) for the
natural cosmic evolution process of creating stars and essentially
everything else, how about we start off fairly small in order to
figure out what the maximum number of photons that a given IGM cubic
second (2.7e25 m3) can possibly contain, outside of whatever molecular
clouds or stars represent. *Even though the average cubic second of
the IGM might offer as little as 2.7e30 raw elements of mostly
hydrogen and helium atoms, there’s always the minimum 3D worth of
1024^6/cm3 * 1e6 = 1.153e24 photons/m3 as coexisting within each cubic
meter of IGM, thereby we have a minimum of 3.113e49 photons per cubic
second. *The photons per universe having the volume of 1.7e80 m3 =
6.296e54 ly3 is thereby 6.296e54 * 3.113e49 = 1.96e104 photons/sec,
times the age of our universe and counting.

Notice how certain faith-based mindsets (mostly of the Old Testament
thumping and politically skewed types of the born-again republican and/
or pretend-Atheist kind) are continually obfuscating by acting
oblivious and/or dumbfounded as to most of everything around us,
especially if such involves anything of ETs or bad and otherwise
unexpectedly spendy as hell. *Of course their not willing to share the
truth about much of anything doesn’t exactly help.

Secondly, notice how those in charge of most everything can’t ever
manage to say with any expertise or much less supercomputer simulated
within their own peer replicated results, as to where exactly the very
recent creation/birth of the truly massive Sirius star/solar system
took place, other than insisting it was supposedly nowhere nearby our
solar system. *However, I find these highly subjective and typically
obfuscation loaded kinds of replies somewhat disingenuous and/or less
believable than LeapFrog published infomercial physics along with all
of their nifty eye-candy science stuff, but then that’s understandably
setting our ‘no child left behind’ of uneducated truth standards a bit
high.

One of the newest and truly substantially massive star/solar systems
created within our galaxy, as having been situated extremely nearby
our well established solar system, and yet folks here within Usenet/
newsgroup of denial and perpetual naysay land do not seem to know
squat about its beginning, of its absolutely vibrant and fast
evolution (nearly a slow nova that would have given us one hell of a
sun burn, plus x-rays and gamma), much less of its absolutely
impressive red supergiant phase that only most recently converted
Sirius B into a white dwarf.

So, where's all the mainstream physics, of their astronomy eye-candy
science and their stacked composites and highly false colorized images
of its molecular cloud?

Interesting, that if we nicely ask of those in charge and supposedly
as smart as Einstein to put up or shut up, as to sharing the orbital
whereabouts of the original Sirius star/solar system, and/or forbid
our asking anything about its impressive red supergiant phase that
only recently flashed over into a white dwarf, or even that of
locating the remainder of its original cosmic molecular cloud of
perhaps 120,000 solar masses, all the sudden the Usenet/newsgroups
lights go out, and the doors start slamming shut. (it's as deafening
quite as if the Pope or Taliban leader walked unannounced into a local
synagogue)

The exact same thing goes for asking of other expertise, as to what
should happen if Sirius ABC merge into one combined nova/supernova,
such as Sirius B continues to feed off Sirius A and turns itself into
a neutron star. What could possibly go wrong for us?

~ BG

I can see clearly now, but then so can ETs half as smart see even
better

If the extremely nearby planet Venus that gives us panspermia flu most
every 19 months is officially mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated
(much the same taboo/banishment as for our moon or its L1), then
perhaps going further out is the only viable option for this paranoid
Usenet/newsgroup that so fears anything new or much less revision of
any kind.

HR 8799 at 130 ly distance, as viewed by a pair of terrestrial
telescopes having to deal with atmospheric distortions, offers us a
good example of what ETs might view of our solar system. However,
imagine if such telescopes were in orbit, whereas instead of just
obtaining those deep IR detections of worthy exoplanets, whereas those
better equipped ETs could go for a visual and even the far better UV
look-see at us.

Too bad we still can not manage to place a pair of super-sized
telescopes in LEO, or much less within the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1
and perhaps Selene L2) whereas the bulk of whatever volume or mass
would make hardly any difference. Even a dirt cheap TRACE(e2) which
could give us a 100x better than existing TRACE resolution plus
superior dynamic range of our own sun would have been a nice thing as
of a decade ago. Deploying a TRACE(e3) with sufficient DR(dynamic
range) for looking directly at the Sirius star/solar system should by
now have been possible, and we might even discover Sirius C as well as
the original molecular cloud which gave such a recent and aggressive
birth to Sirius, and can't be any too far off considering how recently
everything evolved.

The vast majority of exoplanet worlds may be inhospitable to naked
humans for any number of reasons, but just imagine what happened
within our environment of this most recent cosmic era, while the
impressive Sirius solar system was getting created from such a massive
molecular cloud of perhaps 120,000 solar masses (or was it another
galactic black hole merging kind of thing), as for Sirius B having so
vibrantly evolved itself so quickly into becoming the red supergiant
and then suddenly becoming the little white dwarf, is what must have
been every bit as good as our having a second sun, especially
interesting if we’re still making our trinary orbit every 100 thousand
years. But then it seems we can’t discuss intelligent other life, no
matters how probable or technology assisted, without every topic
attracting those brown-nosed clowns like a swarm of killer bees.



On May 23, 10:26*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:



Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

The absolutely vibrant and cosmic stunning Sirius Star/solar system
birth as of 250~300 MBP started off at ~12 Msun, burned through the
vast bulk of its hydrogen extremely fast and only somewhat recently
became worth ~3.5 Msun, as having lost 8.5 of its solar masses, as
such the original mass is still existing elsewhere and most likely
producing photons of its own or as part of some other star/solar
system.

According to the vast majority of the best available experts, the mass
of our universe stays exactly the same, no matters what takes place,
but as a whole we seem to keep getting more and more of them photons
(mostly of those we can’t see) and possibly even more of those free/
rogue electrons and positrons to deal with. *However, is there any
limit in physics or quantum whatever as to how many photons this
universe or any given cubic light year can safely contain?

In addition to whatever a dense molecular cloud of hydrogen and helium
represents as an average population of 1e6/cm3 (1e12/m3) for the
natural cosmic evolution process of creating stars and essentially
everything else, how about we start off fairly small in order to
figure out what the maximum number of photons that a given IGM cubic
second (2.7e25 m3) can possibly contain, outside of whatever molecular
clouds or stars represent. *Even though the average cubic second of
the IGM might offer as little as 2.7e30 raw elements of mostly
hydrogen and helium atoms, there’s always the minimum 3D worth of
1024^6/cm3 * 1e6 = 1.153e24 photons/m3 as coexisting within each cubic
meter of IGM, thereby we have a minimum of 3.113e49 photons per cubic
second. *The photons per universe having the volume of 1.7e80 m3 =
6.296e54 ly3 is thereby 6.296e54 * 3.113e49 = 1.96e104 photons/sec,
times the age of our universe and counting.

Notice how certain faith-based mindsets (mostly of the Old Testament
thumping and politically skewed types of the born-again republican and/
or pretend-Atheist kind) are continually obfuscating by acting
oblivious and/or dumbfounded as to most of everything around us,
especially if such involves anything of ETs or bad and otherwise
unexpectedly spendy as hell. *Of course their not willing to share the
truth about much of anything doesn’t exactly help.

Secondly, notice how those in charge of most everything can’t ever
manage to say with any expertise or much less supercomputer simulated
within their own peer replicated results, as to where exactly the very
recent creation/birth of the truly massive Sirius star/solar system
took place, other than insisting it was supposedly nowhere nearby our
solar system. *However, I find these highly subjective and typically
obfuscation loaded kinds of replies somewhat disingenuous and/or less
believable than LeapFrog published infomercial physics along with all
of their nifty eye-candy science stuff, but then that’s understandably
setting our ‘no child left behind’ of uneducated truth standards a bit
high.
*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

I can see clearly now, but then so can ETs half as smart see even
better

If the extremely nearby planet Venus that gives us panspermia flu most
every 19 months is officially mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated
(much the same as our moon), then perhaps going further out is the
only option for this paranoid Usenet/newsgroup that so fears anything
new or much less revision of any kind.

HR 8799 at 130 ly distance, as viewed by a pair of terrestrial
telescopes having to deal with atmospheric distortions, offers us a
good example of what ETs might view of our solar system. Imagine if
such telescopes were in orbit, whereas instead of just obtaining those
deep IR detections of worthy exoplanets, whereas those better equipped
ETs could go for a visual and even the far better UV look-see at us.

Too bad we still can not manage to place a pair of super-sized
telescopes in LEO, or much less within the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1
and perhaps Selene L2) whereas the bulk of whatever volume or mass
would make hardly any difference. Even a dirt cheap TRACE(e2) which
could give us a 100x better than existing TRACE resolution plus
superior dynamic range of our own sun would have been a nice thing as
of a decade ago. Deploying a TRACE(e3) with sufficient DR(dynamic
range) for looking directly at the Sirius star/solar system should by
now be possible, and we might even discover Sirius C as well as the
original molecular cloud which gave such a recent and aggressive birth
to Sirius, and can't be too far off.

Just imagine what happened within our environment while the impressive
Sirius solar system was getting created from such a massive molecular
cloud of perhaps 120,000 solar masses (or was it another black hole
merging thing), as for Sirius B having so vibrantly evolved into
becoming the red supergiant and then suddenly becoming the little
white dwarf, is what must have been every bit as good as our having a
second sun.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”


On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:
Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T....
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m....

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.
*~ BG

On Jun 5, 5:31*am, BradGuth wrote:
I can see clearly now, but then so can ETs half as smart see even
better

If the extremely nearby planet Venus that gives us panspermia flu most
every 19 months is officially mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated
(much the same as our moon), then perhaps going further out is the
only option for this paranoid Usenet/newsgroup that so fears anything
new or much less revision of any kind.

HR 8799 at 130 ly distance, as viewed by a pair of terrestrial
telescopes having to deal with atmospheric distortions, offers us a
good example of what ETs might view of our solar system. *Imagine if
such telescopes were in orbit, whereas instead of just obtaining those
deep IR detections of worthy exoplanets, whereas those better equipped
ETs could go for a visual and even the far better UV look-see at us.

Too bad we still can not manage to place a pair of super-sized
telescopes in LEO, or much less within the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1
and perhaps Selene L2) whereas the bulk of whatever volume or mass
would make hardly any difference. *Even a dirt cheap TRACE(e2) which
could give us a 100x better than existing TRACE resolution plus
superior dynamic range of our own sun would have been a nice thing as
of a decade ago. *Deploying a TRACE(e3) with sufficient DR(dynamic
range) for looking directly at the Sirius star/solar system should by
now be possible, and we might even discover Sirius C as well as the
original molecular cloud which gave such a recent and aggressive birth
to Sirius, and can't be too far off.

Just imagine what happened within our environment while the impressive
Sirius solar system was getting created from such a massive molecular
cloud of *perhaps 120,000 solar masses (or was it another black hole
merging thing), as for Sirius B having so vibrantly evolved into
becoming the red supergiant and then suddenly becoming the little
white dwarf, is what must have been every bit as good as our having a
second sun.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:

Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

*~ BG

I do not believe we've been excluded from the local interstellar
trauma of what the Sirius star/solar system represents, but then
others here do not seem to care either way. Understanding our solar
system has to include the understanding as to how the truly massive
and vibrant Sirius star/solar system came to exist/coexist so nearby
and supposedly without ever affecting our local environment.

The Hipparcos Space Astrometry Mission: (mainstream media ignored)
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/are...cfm?fareaid=20
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-04m.html

Local galactic motion simulation:
"The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighbourhood", by B.
Nordström et al.
http://www.aanda.org/content/view/71/42/lang,en

According to several physics and astronomy kinds of science, our
Milky Way is made up of at least two galactic units, with more on
their blue-shift way towards encountering us.

Our Milky Way Galaxy and its Companions (we are not alone)
http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjansen/l...ocalgroup.html

~ BG

On Jun 7, 9:23*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Jun 5, 5:31*am, BradGuth wrote:



I can see clearly now, but then so can ETs half as smart see even
better

If the extremely nearby planet Venus that gives us panspermia flu most
every 19 months is officially mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated
(much the same as our moon), then perhaps going further out is the
only option for this paranoid Usenet/newsgroup that so fears anything
new or much less revision of any kind.

HR 8799 at 130 ly distance, as viewed by a pair of terrestrial
telescopes having to deal with atmospheric distortions, offers us a
good example of what ETs might view of our solar system. *Imagine if
such telescopes were in orbit, whereas instead of just obtaining those
deep IR detections of worthy exoplanets, whereas those better equipped
ETs could go for a visual and even the far better UV look-see at us.

Too bad we still can not manage to place a pair of super-sized
telescopes in LEO, or much less within the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1
and perhaps Selene L2) whereas the bulk of whatever volume or mass
would make hardly any difference. *Even a dirt cheap TRACE(e2) which
could give us a 100x better than existing TRACE resolution plus
superior dynamic range of our own sun would have been a nice thing as
of a decade ago. *Deploying a TRACE(e3) with sufficient DR(dynamic
range) for looking directly at the Sirius star/solar system should by
now be possible, and we might even discover Sirius C as well as the
original molecular cloud which gave such a recent and aggressive birth
to Sirius, and can't be too far off.

Just imagine what happened within our environment while the impressive
Sirius solar system was getting created from such a massive molecular
cloud of *perhaps 120,000 solar masses (or was it another black hole
merging thing), as for Sirius B having so vibrantly evolved into
becoming the red supergiant and then suddenly becoming the little
white dwarf, is what must have been every bit as good as our having a
second sun.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:

Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

*~ BG

I do not believe we've been excluded from the local interstellar
trauma of what the Sirius star/solar system represents, but then
others here do not seem to care either way. *Understanding our solar
system has to include the understanding as to how the truly massive
and vibrant Sirius star/solar system came to exist/coexist so nearby
and supposedly without ever affecting our local environment.

The Hipparcos Space Astrometry Mission: (mainstream media ignored)
*http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/are...cfm?fareaid=20
*http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-04m.html

Local galactic motion simulation:
*"The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighbourhood", by B.
Nordström et al.
*http://www.aanda.org/content/view/71/42/lang,en

According to several physics and astronomy kinds of *science, our
Milky Way is made up of at least two galactic units, with more on
their blue-shift way towards encountering us.

Our Milky Way Galaxy and its Companions (we are not alone)
*http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjansen/l...ocalgroup.html

Why would a devout faith-based mindset (including those of the pretend-
Atheist kind) be so deathly afraid of whatever the advancing and
extremely nearby Sirius star/solar system represents?

These official spooks and moles plus all of their brown-nosed minion
army of public media jamming clowns can’t even suggest the whereabouts
of the Sirius beginning, or much less that of tracking throughout its
fast and furious evolution that subsequently took place so nearby.
Where’s that terrific stellar birthing molecular cloud, as hardly none
too small and worth perhaps 120,000 solar masses, that can’t possibly
be too far away?

How can such a vibrant and recent stellar evolution along with such a
sudden tidal radius demise of Sirius B not have directly affected our
environment, as well as that of Mars and most every other planet and
moon of our unusually passive solar system?

How can the original molecular cloud of whatever created the original
12 solar mass of Sirius ABC not have our solar system established in
some kind of orbital or barycenter tidal association, that’s by now
considerably weaker but still in affect because it’s the closest game
in town?

Why are the public funded supercomputers, along with their vast
archives of nifty public owned software and otherwise public funded
operators forbidden to run any of this in 3D orbital format of
interactive simulations?

In other words, which side is this mainstream God on, and why does
this politically correct God have to use an army of bogus Usenet folks
as brown-nosed clowns, plus having public funded spooks and moles that
clearly favor the kinds of Zionism which simply fail to police their
own kind?

Is the public record of history and whatever’s being taught at public
and private expense become that corrupted and/or faith-based skewed
beyond the point of no return?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:
Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red GiantStarFound to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T....
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dyingstarsituated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m....

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solarmass)star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Siriusstar/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its originalmass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosivemassshedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spentstar, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold themassof our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold themassof the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

We seem to have become closely associated with the Sirius star
cluster, even though Sirius has been a relatively newish and extremely
vibrant stellar evolution (quite possibly contributed from another
galaxy), and especially terrestrial illuminating of the first 200~250
million years worth.

It took a cosmic molecular cloud worth perhaps at least 120,000 solar
masses in order to produce such a 12+ mass star system, leaving 99.99%
of that molecular mass blown away and to fend for itself, at a place
and time when our existing solar system wasn't any too far away.
Others might go so far as to suggest a molecular cloud mass of 1.2
million, and others yet would prefer that this terrific cloud had
emerged from a smaller galaxy that encountered our Milky Way.

There's no way that our passive little solar system wasn't somehow
directly affected by and otherwise having become somewhat tidal radius
interrelated with such a nearby mass, at least associated with the
mutual barycenter that's primarily dominated by the Sirius star/solar
system.

Lo and behold, it seems the mergers of galactic proportions isn’t
nearly as uncommon as some naysayers might care to think.

The Hipparcos Space Astrometry Mission: (mainstream media ignored)
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/are...cfm?fareaid=20
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-04m.html

Local galactic motion simulation:
"The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighbourhood", by B.
Nordström et al.
http://www.aanda.org/content/view/71/42/lang,en

According to several physics and astronomy kinds of observationology
science (deductive interpretation of eye-candy), our Milky Way is made
up of at least two galactic units, with more on their blue-shifted way
towards encountering us. Seems hardly fair considering that
everything was supposedly created via one singular big bang, not to
mention that hundreds to thousands of galaxies seem headed into the
Great Attractor (including us) for their final demise and/or rebirth.

Our Milky Way Galaxy and its Companions (we are not alone)
http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjansen/l...ocalgroup.html

Don’t forget to appreciate those Hubble, KECK and multiple other
archives (including those of FAS) depicting “colliding galaxies”, soon
to be ESA enhanced and expanded upon via a trio of their impressive
orbital observatories, not to mention whatever the renewed and
improved Hubble plus our next generation of orbital observatories
should further document. It may even become hard to find galaxies as
massive as ours and Andromeda that are entirely original without their
having gown via mergers.

Where's the all-knowing expertise from FAS, telling us whatever they
seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely. Surely these
brown-nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our
Usenet/newsgroup that are enforcing their mainstream status quo (much
like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do), are hopefully not
speaking on behalf of FAS.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jun 20, 6:16*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:



Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red GiantStarFound to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dyingstarsituated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solarmass)star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Siriusstar/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its originalmass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosivemassshedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spentstar, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold themassof our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold themassof the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

We seem to have become closely associated with the Sirius star
cluster, even though Sirius has been a relatively newish and extremely
vibrant stellar evolution (quite possibly contributed from another
galaxy), and especially terrestrial illuminating of the first 200~250
million years worth.

It took a cosmic molecular cloud worth perhaps at least 120,000 solar
masses in order to produce such a 12+ mass star system, leaving 99.99%
of that molecular mass blown away and to fend for itself, at a place
and time when our existing solar system wasn't any too far away.
Others might go so far as to suggest a molecular cloud mass of 1.2
million, and others yet would prefer that this terrific cloud had
emerged from a smaller galaxy that encountered our Milky Way.

There's no way that our passive little solar system wasn't somehow
directly affected by and otherwise having become somewhat tidal radius
interrelated with such a nearby mass, at least associated with the
mutual barycenter that's primarily dominated by the Sirius star/solar
system.

Lo and behold, it seems the mergers of galactic proportions isn’t
nearly as uncommon as some naysayers might care to think.

The Hipparcos Space Astrometry Mission: (mainstream media ignored)
*http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/are...cfm?fareaid=20
*http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-04m.html

Local galactic motion simulation:
*"The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighbourhood", by B.
Nordström et al.
*http://www.aanda.org/content/view/71/42/lang,en

According to several physics and astronomy kinds of *observationology
science (deductive interpretation of eye-candy), our Milky Way is made
up of at least two galactic units, with more on their blue-shifted way
towards encountering us. *Seems hardly fair considering that
everything was supposedly created via one singular big bang, not to
mention that hundreds to thousands of galaxies seem headed into the
Great Attractor (including us) for their final demise and/or rebirth.

Our Milky Way Galaxy and its Companions (we are not alone)
*http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjansen/l...ocalgroup.html

Don’t forget to appreciate those Hubble, KECK and multiple other
archives (including those of FAS) depicting “colliding galaxies”, soon
to be ESA enhanced and expanded upon via a trio of their impressive
orbital observatories, not to mention whatever the renewed and
improved Hubble plus our next generation of orbital observatories
should further document. *It may even become hard to find galaxies as
massive as ours and Andromeda that are entirely original without their
having gown via mergers.

Where's the all-knowing expertise from FAS, telling us whatever they
seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely. *Surely these
brown-nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our
Usenet/newsgroup that are enforcing their mainstream status quo (much
like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do), are hopefully not
speaking on behalf of FAS.

For as little as another two cents, what do we get?

Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
cost as one CoRoT.

The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although heavier and
too large of package for another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.

TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg1000 kg should have
no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
system. With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.

Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
gyros could fail at most any time. A decade worth of CCD improvements
and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
http://trace.lmsal.com/
http://directory.eoportal.org/presen...129/10301.html

Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
as little as $1000/kg.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/...ssia/shtil.htm

Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?t...ort_estimation

How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
costing us? Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
observing instrument?
http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_s...it_English.pdf

It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of their satellite
observatory R&D plus its mission cost been mentioned. If it can’t
even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic or vibrating activity of
Sirius, then what good is it?

I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
170 million euros ($225M). That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
another orbiting telescope, and probably that reported amount didn’t
even include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the
annual/decade budget for gathering and publishing its data. A TRACEe3
could be accomplished in less than a forth the time, and for as little
as one cent per human global population, as well as deployed and
operated for a decade on perhaps less than another one cent per human
population. TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty darn good deal,
especially when we could see the extremely vibrant photosphere of
Sirius A and possibly even a few actual pixels worth of Sirius B.

Speaking of accomplishing dirt cheap, quick and downright nifty
missions that could have been and should have been. It seems we
already own the shuttle bay SAR imaging equipment, that with minor
upgrades and getting that already spendy sucker deployed around Venus
could yield 0.75 meter resolution (100 fold better than the original
Magellan mission, plus another two fold improved dynamic range), or
perhaps as good as 0.15 meter if doing our moon from 50 km.

Lord of our GAO forbid we should merely scrap everything that’s bought
and paid for with our hard earned loot, instead of reutilizing,
because we sure as hell wouldn’t want the general public that’s paying
for everything and in debt to the tune of trillions to ever get their
hard earned moneys worth, much less discover whatever’s happening via
intelligent other life that’s nicely existing/coexisting on Venus.

What would our President BHO and his crack team of mostly young
advisers do?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

For as little as another two cents, what do we get?

Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
cost as one CoRoT.

The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was one of those
fast-track developed satellite, as a seriously dirt cheap polar-
orbital solar observatory, deployed by that little and costly Pegasus
XL, so thereby the R&D for accomplishing a thousand fold optical/
imaging improvement by the exact same team should be as equally quick
and dirt cheap, although unavoidably heavier and too large of package
for another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.

TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg1000 kg should have
no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
system. With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length (which
adds relatively little mass) and newer CCD imager could extend its
observing spectrum well into far/extreme UVc, although the quality of
telephoto optics already utilized by the existing TRACE along with
those narrow bandpass filters would still be more than sufficient for
UVa through IR imaging.

Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes (ultra
lampblack) should also improve their imaging results of TRACEe3 and
most any other optics, and we do in fact need a replacement for the
existing TRACE anyway because its maneuvering fuel is running low, as
well as any one of its essential gyros or rad-hard processors could
fail at most any time. A decade worth of terrific CCD improvements
and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
http://trace.lmsal.com/
http://directory.eoportal.org/presen...129/10301.html

Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in Russian surplus
inventory along with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a
TRACEe3 payload for as little as $1000/kg.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/...ssia/shtil.htm

Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?t...ort_estimation

How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
costing us? Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
observing instrument?
http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_s...it_English.pdf

Apparently CoRoT must have been terribly spendy (including its launch
via the Soyuz launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of
their satellite observatory R&D plus its mission cost been mentioned
in the above documant. However, if it can’t even look at the stellar
vibrance and seismic or vibrating/oscillating activity of Sirius, then
what good is it?

I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
170 million euros ($225M). That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
another orbiting telescope, and probably that reported amount didn’t
even include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the
annual/decade budget for gathering and publishing its data. A TRACEe3
could have been accomplished in less than a forth the time, and for as
little as one cent per human global population, as well as deployed
and operated for a decade on perhaps less than another one cent per
human population (with loot to spare). TRACEe3 for two cents seems
like a pretty darn good deal, and all three TRACEe3s for roughly a
nickel per global population, seems especially nifty when we could see
the extremely vibrant photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few
actual pixels worth of Sirius B, as well as a thousand fold better
resolution of our own sun (might be too good of a look-see).

Speaking of accomplishing dirt cheap, quick and downright nifty
missions that could have been and should have been. It seems we
already own the shuttle bay SAR imaging equipment, that with minor
upgrades and getting that already spendy sucker deployed around Venus
could yield 0.75 meter resolution (100 fold better than the original
Magellan mission, plus another two fold improved dynamic range), or
perhaps as good as 0.15 meter if doing our moon from 50 km.

Lord GAO, forbid we should merely scrap everything that’s bought and
paid for with our hard earned loot, instead of reutilizing, because we
sure as hell wouldn’t want the general public that’s paying for
everything and in debt to the tune of trillions to ever get their hard
earned moneys worth, much less discover whatever’s happening via
intelligent other life that’s nicely existing/coexisting on Venus.

What would our President BHO and his crack team of mostly young
advisers do?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”


On Jun 20, 6:16*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:


Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red GiantStarFound to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dyingstarsituated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solarmass)star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Siriusstar/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its originalmass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosivemassshedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spentstar, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold themassof our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold themassof the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

We seem to have become closely associated with the Sirius star
cluster, even though Sirius has been a relatively newish and extremely
vibrant stellar evolution (quite possibly contributed from another
galaxy), and especially terrestrial illuminating of the first 200~250
million years worth.

It took a cosmic molecular cloud worth perhaps at least 120,000 solar
masses in order to produce such a 12+ mass star system, leaving 99.99%
of that molecular mass blown away and to fend for itself, at a place
and time when our existing solar system wasn't any too far away.
Others might go so far as to suggest a molecular cloud mass of 1.2
million, and others yet would prefer that this terrific cloud had
emerged from a smaller galaxy that encountered our Milky Way.

There's no way that our passive little solar system wasn't somehow
directly affected by and otherwise having become somewhat tidal radius
interrelated with such a nearby mass, at least associated with the
mutual barycenter that's primarily dominated by the Sirius star/solar
system.

Lo and behold, it seems the mergers of galactic proportions isn’t
nearly as uncommon as some naysayers might care to think.

The Hipparcos Space Astrometry Mission: (mainstream media ignored)
*http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/are...cfm?fareaid=20
*http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-04m.html

Local galactic motion simulation:
*"The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighbourhood", by B.
Nordström et al.
*http://www.aanda.org/content/view/71/42/lang,en

According to several physics and astronomy kinds of *observationology
science (deductive interpretation of eye-candy), our Milky Way is made
up of at least two galactic units, with more on their blue-shifted way
towards encountering us. *Seems hardly fair considering that
everything was supposedly created via one singular big bang, not to
mention that hundreds to thousands of galaxies seem headed into the
Great Attractor (including us) for their final demise and/or rebirth.

Our Milky Way Galaxy and its Companions (we are not alone)
*http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjansen/l...ocalgroup.html

Don’t forget to appreciate those Hubble, KECK and multiple other
archives (including those of FAS) depicting “colliding galaxies”, soon
to be ESA enhanced and expanded upon via a trio of their impressive
orbital observatories, not to mention whatever the renewed and
improved Hubble plus our next generation of orbital observatories
should further document. *It may even become hard to find galaxies as
massive as ours and Andromeda that are entirely original without their
having gown via mergers.

Where's the all-knowing expertise from FAS, telling us whatever they
seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely. *Surely these
brown-nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our
Usenet/newsgroup that are enforcing their mainstream status quo (much
like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do), are hopefully not
speaking on behalf of FAS.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

"For as little as another two cents, what do we get?"

If Saul Levy and his devout Zionist Nazi Republican friends have
anything to say, we get absolutely nothing, or less than nothing (just
like what we're getting but grief back from their SEC approved Ponzi
Madoff). Go figure, that most all of the bad guys seem to belong to
the same cartel/cabal faith or fellowship faith that wouldn't dare
police their own kind.

Otherwise we'd get our moneys worth, and then some.
~ BG

On Jun 27, 12:54*pm, BradGuth wrote:
For as little as another two cents, what do we get?

Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
cost as one CoRoT.

The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was one of those
fast-track developed satellite, as a seriously dirt cheap polar-
orbital solar observatory, deployed by that little and costly Pegasus
XL, so thereby the R&D for accomplishing a thousand fold optical/
imaging improvement by the exact same team should be as equally quick
and dirt cheap, although unavoidably heavier and too large of package
for another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.

TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg1000 kg should have
no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
system. *With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length (which
adds relatively little mass) and newer CCD imager could extend its
observing spectrum well into far/extreme UVc, although the quality of
telephoto optics already utilized by the existing TRACE along with
those narrow bandpass filters would still be more than sufficient for
UVa through IR imaging.

Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes (ultra
lampblack) should also improve their imaging results of TRACEe3 and
most any other optics, and we do in fact need a replacement for the
existing TRACE anyway because its maneuvering fuel is running low, as
well as any one of its essential gyros or rad-hard processors could
fail at most any time. *A decade worth of terrific CCD improvements
and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
*http://trace.lmsal.com/
*http://directory.eoportal.org/presen...129/10301.html

Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in Russian surplus
inventory along with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a
TRACEe3 payload for as little as $1000/kg.
*http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/...ssia/shtil.htm

Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
*http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?t...ort_estimation

How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
costing us? *Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
observing instrument?
*http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_s...it_English.pdf

Apparently CoRoT must have been terribly spendy (including its launch
via the Soyuz launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of
their satellite observatory R&D plus its mission cost *been mentioned
in the above documant. *However, if it can’t even look at the stellar
vibrance and seismic or vibrating/oscillating activity of Sirius, then
what good is it?

I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
170 million euros ($225M). *That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
another orbiting telescope, and probably that reported amount didn’t
even include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the
annual/decade budget for gathering and publishing its data. *A TRACEe3
could have been accomplished in less than a forth the time, and for as
little as one cent per human global population, as well as deployed
and operated for a decade on perhaps less than another one cent per
human population (with loot to spare). *TRACEe3 for two cents seems
like a pretty darn good deal, and all three TRACEe3s for roughly a
nickel per global population, seems especially nifty when we could see
the extremely vibrant photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few
actual pixels worth of Sirius B, as well as a thousand fold better
resolution of our own sun (might be too good of a look-see).

Speaking of accomplishing dirt cheap, quick and downright nifty
missions that could have been and should have been. *It seems we
already own the shuttle bay SAR imaging equipment, that with minor
upgrades and getting that already spendy sucker deployed around Venus
could yield 0.75 meter resolution (100 fold better than the original
Magellan mission, plus another two fold improved dynamic range), or
perhaps as good as 0.15 meter if doing our moon from 50 km.

Lord GAO, forbid we should merely scrap everything that’s bought and
paid for with our hard earned loot, instead of reutilizing, because we
sure as hell wouldn’t want the general public that’s paying for
everything and in debt to the tune of trillions to ever get their hard
earned moneys worth, much less discover whatever’s happening via
intelligent other life that’s nicely existing/coexisting on Venus.

What would our President BHO and his crack team of mostly young
advisers do?

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

For those of you using Google Groups or an unfiltered newsreader:

Just because my resident kosher shadow can not stand the thought of
anyone having and sharing an honest thought or idea is perhaps why
he's on his deathbed, miserable and doing as much media damage-control
as he can muster, and as always unpoliced by his own kind, and as per
usual full of as much hate as only his faith-based friends and Hitler
would understand.

Imagine a wore kind of hell on Earth, with this kind of perverted and
kosher biased leadership at the helm, sort of makes republicans, their
Zionist Nazi friends and of course the likes of their private Federal
Reserve and SEC approved Ponzi Madoff seem rather tame.

~ BG