Toward understanding the Double Slit Experiment, pt. 1

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ok thanks
now
how do you know it was a single photon
and not 4 6 or 10 photons ??

TIA
Y.Porat
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I wasn't really addressing that point, as I mentioned.

Perhaps you can tell me what happens if the slits lead to separate
compartments; does the photon-wave only enter one?

--
Peter Kinane
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Dear Mr Kinane

you are asking about entring one photon!!

while me and apparently you as well
do not know
what is** one** photon !!!
what is a single photon definition??

before starting walking we have to learn how to crawl
ist that ??

TIA
Y.Porat
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Agreed. But in so far as the standard experiment goes, if the slits lead to
separate compartments, does 'the wave' , to a greater extent than if there
is only one compartment, only enter one?

--
Peter Kinane
http://www.effectuationism.com

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ok thanks
now
how do you know it was a single photon
and not 4 6 or 10 photons ??

TIA
Y.Porat
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I wasn't really addressing that point, as I mentioned.

Perhaps you can tell me what happens if the slits lead to separate
compartments; does the photon-wave only enter one?

--
Peter Kinane
-------------------------------
Dear Mr Kinane

you are asking about entring one photon!!

while me and apparently you as well
do not know
what is** one** photon !!!
what is a single photon definition??

before starting walking we have to learn how to crawl
ist that ??

TIA
Y.Porat
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A single photon with a specific energy when absorbed by an electron in
an atom, will cause that electron to jump to a specific energy level,
or if the photon has enough energy, it will cause the electron to be
emitted from the atom.

See, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect

Peter Kinane wrote:
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http://www.effectuationism.com
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I wasn't really addressing that point, as I mentioned.

Perhaps you can tell me what happens if the slits lead to separate
compartments; does the photon-wave only enter one?

--
Peter Kinane
-------------------------------
Dear Mr Kinane

you are asking about entring one photon!!

while me and apparently you as well
do not know
what is** one** photon !!!
what is a single photon definition??

before starting walking we have to learn how to crawl
ist that ??

TIA
Y.Porat
--------------------------------


Agreed. But in so far as the standard experiment goes, if the slits lead to
separate compartments, does 'the wave' , to a greater extent than if there
is only one compartment, only enter one?

--
Peter Kinane
http://www.effectuationism.com
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let me reveal my sucpicions
i am not just asking questions
itis motivated by some sucpicions ans some intuitive guesses
about why is all that old confusion around the
,strange creature that can be in two places at a time'

my sucpicion is that it is not at all *one creatuere* !!
it is at least a few of them
and if it is so the enigma is solved ......

so we have to satrrt with a question that i start to sucpect that no
one
thought about it :

what is the QUANTITATIVE DEFINITION of a single photon!!!??

while you present it by an abstarct spreading in space
entity(mathematical formula )
you ddint give a definit quantitative answer about
waht is quantitatively the smallest unit of the photon that every
body speakes about
as if it was comonly understood and defined !! ???

TIA
Y.Porat
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ok thanks
now
how do you know it was a single photon
and not 4 6 or 10 photons ??

TIA
Y.Porat
---------------------------


I wasn't really addressing that point, as I mentioned.

Perhaps you can tell me what happens if the slits lead to separate
compartments; does the photon-wave only enter one?

--
Peter Kinane
-------------------------------
Dear Mr Kinane

you are asking about entring one photon!!

while me and apparently you as well
do not know
what is** one** photon !!!
what is a single photon definition??

before starting walking we have to learn how to crawl
ist that ??

TIA
Y.Porat
--------------------------------


Agreed. But in so far as the standard experiment goes, if the slits lead
to separate compartments, does 'the wave' , to a greater extent than if
there is only one compartment, only enter one?

--
Peter Kinane
http://www.effectuationism.com

If you can somehow separate off the two paths at the slit exits, then there
is no way possible for the matter-wave to interact and you have reduced the
experiment to, again, a single slit. You will register the electron in one
or the other chamber.
Greysky

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"Peter Kinane" wrote in message
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Agreed. But in so far as the standard experiment goes, if the slits lead
to separate compartments, does 'the wave' , to a greater extent than if
there is only one compartment, only enter one?

--
Peter Kinane
http://www.effectuationism.com

If you can somehow separate off the two paths at the slit exits, then
there is no way possible for the matter-wave to interact and you have
reduced the experiment to, again, a single slit. You will register the
electron in one or the other chamber.
Greysky

I don't see that there would be a difficulty in having each slit lead to a
separate chamber. The idea is that there would be no way possible for the
matter-wave to interact. But I'm wondering if only one compartment would
register anything?

You don't seem to definitely imply that that test has been done?

--
Peter Kinane
http://www.effectuationism.com

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"Peter Kinane" wrote in message
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Agreed. But in so far as the standard experiment goes, if the slits lead
to separate compartments, does 'the wave' , to a greater extent than if
there is only one compartment, only enter one?

--
Peter Kinane
http://www.effectuationism.com

If you can somehow separate off the two paths at the slit exits, then
there is no way possible for the matter-wave to interact and you have
reduced the experiment to, again, a single slit. You will register the
electron in one or the other chamber.
Greysky

I don't see that there would be a difficulty in having each slit lead to a
separate chamber. The idea is that there would be no way possible for the
matter-wave to interact. But I'm wondering if only one compartment would
register anything?

You don't seem to definitely imply that that test has been done?

--
Peter Kinane
http://www.effectuationism.com

Greysky:
*If you put the electron emitter on a movable track such that it moves
parallel to the slit material, you could control how successful the
electron will be in hitting the detector at the target by moving the
electron emitter along the track.. At some point directly in line with the
slit material, the probability that an electron will pass through the open
slit to be detected at the target is 100%, while at some other point along
the track the probability of passing through the slit decreases to 0%. *

This seems to imply that there is no partial registration- -detection.

pk

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"Peter Kinane" wrote in message
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Agreed. But in so far as the standard experiment goes, if the slits
lead to separate compartments, does 'the wave' , to a greater extent
than if there is only one compartment, only enter one?

--
Peter Kinane
http://www.effectuationism.com

If you can somehow separate off the two paths at the slit exits, then
there is no way possible for the matter-wave to interact and you have
reduced the experiment to, again, a single slit. You will register the
electron in one or the other chamber.
Greysky

I don't see that there would be a difficulty in having each slit lead to
a separate chamber. The idea is that there would be no way possible for
the matter-wave to interact. But I'm wondering if only one compartment
would register anything?

You don't seem to definitely imply that that test has been done?

I'm not aware of al the various myriad tests that have been conducted
throughout the years.


--
Peter Kinane
http://www.effectuationism.com

Greysky:
*If you put the electron emitter on a movable track such that it moves
parallel to the slit material, you could control how successful the
electron will be in hitting the detector at the target by moving the
electron emitter along the track.. At some point directly in line with
the
slit material, the probability that an electron will pass through the open
slit to be detected at the target is 100%, while at some other point along
the track the probability of passing through the slit decreases to 0%. *

This seems to imply that there is no partial registration- -detection.


Right. The electron must be someplace - either at the slit or at the target.
The probability can be defined by the angle the electron emitter makes to
the slit material. At some point the electron will be at an angle where it
can never make it through the slit: the probability of impacting the slit
material approaches 100% . Conversely if the electron emitter is directly in
front of the slit the probability of passing through to the target
approaches 100% - you can't have your cake and eat it too. The electron must
be somewhere. Everywhere else it is not. The defining event is the detection
event.

However, if you read my web site carefully, or wait for part 2 of this post,
you will see there may be a strange example of where this is not always
true...

Greysky

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Learn how to build a FTL radio.

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Y.Porat wrote:

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Dear Mr Kinane

you are asking about entring one photon!!

while me and apparently you as well
do not know
what is** one** photon !!!
what is a single photon definition??

before starting walking we have to learn how to crawl
ist that ??

TIA
Y.Porat
--------------------------------



Y. Porat:

If questions are a measure of intelligence then you are a genius.

The religionist creationists and the Doppler-Hubble creationists,
and maybe other sorts of expansionist creationists, base all their
conclusions either upon the Bible or upon the Apparent Red Shift
of EM spectral light frequencies.

They adamantly refuse to consider the interaction of photons
and electrons regarding interactions and velocity differentials.

They are totally intellectually closed on that topic. By that they
refuse to gain information regarding, not the origin of the
universe, but its cause insofar as the identity and properties
of the existents that continue to exist, however changed due
to their properties or potentials.

What is more, they refuse to accept that the entity that is the
photon has any identity whatsoever, albeit, except for a few
magnificently discovered properties of photons, e.g., refraction
and gravitational influences, and more.

They actually don't have any idea at all about what the photon is,
and yet they make stupendous pronouncements regarding
suppositions of the assumed causes of the universe.

They don't even know what the properties of gravity existents
are, much less what the substance of matter or energy is.

They are intellectually and factually bankrupt.

More so, they have not opened their eyes to see that the
universe exists continually, that is everything that exists, - e.g.,
would you believe, without start, interruption, or end, continually.
The universe simply continues to exist and its plural existents to
function according to their natural properties.

You said it right.

Scientists, especially astronomer creationist cosmologist
physicists, have no clue whatsoever what a photon is.

They posture madly about the supposed original
discontinuities of the universe, qua their assumed
creationism, this or that nothingness, let alone about what
universal termination is, and still they don't even know what
a photon is.

Or any of the existing existents of existence.

The gentleman has asked the question.

What is the photon?

Ralph Hertle

Y.Porat:
AND
Mr Kinane:


Please excuse my confusion regarding your
identities on the current discussion thread.

Your individual and separate replies will be
appropriately welcomed and respected.

Thank you.

Ralph Hertle

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Y.Porat wrote:

[....]

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Dear Mr Kinane

you are asking about entring one photon!!

while me and apparently you as well
do not know
what is** one** photon !!!
what is a single photon definition??

before starting walking we have to learn how to crawl
ist that ??

TIA
Y.Porat
--------------------------------



Y. Porat:

If questions are a measure of intelligence then you are a genius.

The religionist creationists and the Doppler-Hubble creationists,
and maybe other sorts of expansionist creationists, base all their
conclusions either upon the Bible or upon the Apparent Red Shift
of EM spectral light frequencies.

They adamantly refuse to consider the interaction of photons
and electrons regarding interactions and velocity differentials.

They are totally intellectually closed on that topic. By that they
refuse to gain information regarding, not the origin of the
universe, but its cause insofar as the identity and properties
of the existents that continue to exist, however changed due
to their properties or potentials.

What is more, they refuse to accept that the entity that is the
photon has any identity whatsoever, albeit, except for a few
magnificently discovered properties of photons, e.g., refraction
and gravitational influences, and more.

They actually don't have any idea at all about what the photon is,
and yet they make stupendous pronouncements regarding
suppositions of the assumed causes of the universe.

They don't even know what the properties of gravity existents
are, much less what the substance of matter or energy is.

They are intellectually and factually bankrupt.

More so, they have not opened their eyes to see that the
universe exists continually, that is everything that exists, - e.g.,
would you believe, without start, interruption, or end, continually.
The universe simply continues to exist and its plural existents to
function according to their natural properties.

You said it right.

Scientists, especially astronomer creationist cosmologist
physicists, have no clue whatsoever what a photon is.

They posture madly about the supposed original
discontinuities of the universe, qua their assumed
creationism, this or that nothingness, let alone about what
universal termination is, and still they don't even know what
a photon is.

Or any of the existing existents of existence.

The gentleman has asked the question.

What is the photon?

Ralph Hertle
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Thank you Ralph

now to be more precise the key question is:

WHAT IS THE **QUANTITATIVE DEFINITION OF A SINGLE PHOTON**??!!

it sems that people speak about a 'single photon' whithout knowing
about aht they are talking
without that definition all the talking about a single photon is
nonsense physics

so ??? waht is the above definition????
does a photon that is emmited from Radium is the same as that form
say nickel evn if the frequescy of them are the same
to be even more specific :

is the **duration of emittance** is the same in radion 'single photon'
as in say Kalium 'single photon ' ????!!!!

TIA
Y.Porat
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TIA
Y.Porat
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