OBIT: Original Blue Angel pilot dies at age 86

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 05:40:21 -0700, in a place far, far away, Dale
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to
indicate that:

But the media attention she's getting... that's another story.

It happens in every war:

http://www.transterrestrial.com/arch...19.html#005619

Well ,"two" doesn't equal "every", but I suspect similar protests can
be found for many more wars. Mothers generally don't enjoy the
deaths of their children.

I'm curious, though. Are the protestations of Mrs. Hanberg and Mrs.
Sheehan pretty much the same to you, or does one have more merit
than the other?

They're of equivalent merit. And they're both of equivalent mental
stability and grip on reality. They both have the excuse, of course,
of having suffered a grievous loss. I'm not sure what the media's
excuse is for exploiting them, though.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 06:29:34 -0700, in a place far, far away, Dale
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to
indicate that:

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:01:45 GMT, h (Rand Simberg)
wrote:

I'm curious, though. Are the protestations of Mrs. Hanberg and Mrs.
Sheehan pretty much the same to you, or does one have more merit
than the other?

They're of equivalent merit. And they're both of equivalent mental
stability and grip on reality. They both have the excuse, of course,
of having suffered a grievous loss. I'm not sure what the media's
excuse is for exploiting them, though.

Ratings, perhaps??

That's partly it, but only partly, if you parse the coverage.

In article ,
Scott Hedrick wrote:
I recently had the opportunity to meet someone just back from Iraq. He makes
it clear that the media is lying to the American public- the Iraqis are
*grateful* for our presence...

Others just back from Iraq tell very different stories. It's unwise to
rely too heavily on a single report, even (perhaps especially) if it is
telling you what you want to hear. Iraq is a sizable country and any
particular soldier is seeing only a very small piece of it.

In the same vein, it is no secret that the US media generally do a lousy
job and have serious tunnel vision. At least a partial answer to that is
not to rely exclusively on *US* media. For example, read The Economist
rather than Time Magazine (not only is it British rather than American,
it's also a whole lot better).
--
No, the devil isn't in the details. | Henry Spencer
The devil is in the *assumptions*. |

Dale wrote:

It happens in every war:

http://www.transterrestrial.com/arch...19.html#005619



Well ,"two" doesn't equal "every", but I suspect similar protests can
be found for many more wars. Mothers generally don't enjoy the
deaths of their children.



Careful, Dale... this isn't a real historical news story; just Rand
clumsily making up a fake news item in an attempt to further his neo-con
political agenda in regards to the war.
If you had been as superior to the common man in intelligence as he is,
you would have caught that.
Now you have revealed yourself as one of The Great Unwashed in his eyes,
and not a fit member for the Simberg Smart Set.
This will probably start spreading around the web as a true story, after
a copy of it is found in the pocket of that dead driver found embedded
in the side of the desert cliff in his JATO bottle-boosted Impala. ;-)

Pat

"Henry Spencer" wrote in message
...
At least a partial answer to that is
not to rely exclusively on *US* media.

Our local PBS station shows BBC World. Lama Hasan is a hottie, but in spite
of that I get the impression that she's a better *journalist* than the US
talking heads could be. Removing the direct need to generate revenue helps.

Even a tabloid like The Guardian has better journalistic scruples than CBS
News.

As to Time- well, perhaps it's time has passed. I happen to subscribe to US
News and World Report, and it has gradually been assimilated by the Newsweek
look.

I've spoken to 4 returnees who didn't know each other, and they all told
similar stories. I believe I need to talk to another 5000 in order to have a
statistically significant sample.

One fellow I talked to returned over a year ago and moved into recruiting.
He wasn't particularly enthusiastic to return, but the more recent returnees
report that the situation is a lot more stable now than then.

I suggested we make an official policy to begin pulling out 60 days after
the *last* insurgent incident, and halt any pullout for 60 days after any
such incident. The sooner the bad guys begin behaving, the sooner we can
leave. If they really want us to leave, then they need to contain their
behavior.

Where did you hear about Operation Teddy Drop?

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:49:38 -0500, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

Careful, Dale... this isn't a real historical news story; just Rand
clumsily making up a fake news item in an attempt to further his neo-con
political agenda in regards to the war.
If you had been as superior to the common man in intelligence as he is,
you would have caught that.

Yes, I hide it so well, what with my copyright notice, and all...

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:45:16 GMT, in a place far, far away,
(Henry Spencer) made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

In article ,
Scott Hedrick wrote:
I recently had the opportunity to meet someone just back from Iraq. He makes
it clear that the media is lying to the American public- the Iraqis are
*grateful* for our presence...

Others just back from Iraq tell very different stories.

There are lots of stories. We only seem to get the bad news, though.

It's unwise to
rely too heavily on a single report, even (perhaps especially) if it is
telling you what you want to hear. Iraq is a sizable country and any
particular soldier is seeing only a very small piece of it.

In the same vein, it is no secret that the US media generally do a lousy
job and have serious tunnel vision. At least a partial answer to that is
not to rely exclusively on *US* media. For example, read The Economist
rather than Time Magazine (not only is it British rather than American,
it's also a whole lot better).

Yes, but some of the best reporting is from people like Michael Yon.

http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:49:38 -0500, Pat Flannery wrote:

Careful, Dale... this isn't a real historical news story; just Rand
clumsily making up a fake news item in an attempt to further his neo-con
political agenda in regards to the war.

Thanks, Pat. I chose to eliminate the temptation to respond. I post enough
moronic crap as it is, without engaging Rand...

Dale

On 2005-08-20, Scott Hedrick wrote:

Our local PBS station shows BBC World. Lama Hasan is a hottie, but in spite
of that I get the impression that she's a better *journalist* than the US
talking heads could be. Removing the direct need to generate revenue helps.

Even a tabloid like The Guardian has better journalistic scruples than CBS
News.

Tabloid? The Grauniad was still broadsheet last I checked.

A quick random bit of context: most UK broadsheet newspapers have
done, or are going, "compact" - which is basically the same as tabloid
size. However, "broadsheet" and "tabloid" carry a lot of baggage in
common use, so using "tabloid" to describe a former broadsheet now in
tabloid form is horribly confusing, and so we get compact. Yeah, it's
confusing.

(The Guadrian is apparently actually going to Berliner format, so my
research tells me, which is a little bigger than compact/tabloid - but,
confusingly, not used by German newspapers)

As far as cultural shifts amongst the "broadsheets" - most of which are
shifting downmarket, true - I certainly wouldn't call the Grauniad
tabloid yet, not by a long shot; the Times is probably the closest
(sadly), and it still has a good way to fall.

--
-Andrew Gray

Dale wrote:

It happens in every war:

http://www.transterrestrial.com/arch...19.html#005619

Well ,"two" doesn't equal "every", but I suspect similar protests can
be found for many more wars. Mothers generally don't enjoy the
deaths of their children.

I'm curious, though. Are the protestations of Mrs. Hanberg and Mrs.
Sheehan pretty much the same to you, or does one have more merit
than the other?

The protest of Mrs. Hanberg is *fiction*.

D.
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-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL