Military Space Plane vs. Ares 1...which could be operational first?

"Derek Lyons" wrote in message
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"Jonathan" wrote:

RAPID CAPABILITIES OFFICE


Mission

"The Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office expedites development and fielding
of select Department of Defense combat support and weapon systems by
leveraging defense-wide technology development efforts and existing
operational capabilities. The Board of Directors tasks the office directly
to address needs that involve mission applications and operational concepts
requiring specialized expertise, and involve sensitive activities managed
by other government agencies. The office also conducts projects on
accelerated timelines."
http://www.af.mil/information/factsh....asp?fsID=3466


Notice the two important statements, that this office deals with
higly secret military systems which need to be ...QUICKLY....
developed.

Notice that the above says neither 'quickly' nor 'highly secret'.


Now I know why you lose every single debate with me, you
can't read. The above statement explains what this office does.
I quote, it "expedites development and fielding...". Can you
comprehend that statement? And the other is and I quote
"sensitive activities". Is the meaning of that also outside
your comprehension?

Come back when you've learned to read at no less than
a jr high level. Responses like this make it hard to take
you seriously.






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"Me" wrote in message
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This is not a shuttle replacement.


And one of those boosters below with a 'next-gen'
X-37 on top can't become the shuttle replacement?
And maybe that will be the better choice than
The Ares Stick and Heavy? I

The shuttle replacements were
the Titan IV, Delta II, Atlas II, Atlas V and Delta IV

In sci.space.history Jonathan wrote:
And one of those boosters below with a 'next-gen'
X-37 on top can't become the shuttle replacement?
And maybe that will be the better choice than
The Ares Stick and Heavy? I

No worse (although I'm not certain) than saying one could convert a
V-1 to manned flight from the unmanned version. Sure, it was done, it
didn't necessarily work all that well as a manned craft as the
precursor wasn't designed with that in mind. Or perhaps Regulus (sp)
would be a better example? One *could* conceivably see the Tomahawk
as a prototype for a small manned jet. The world is full of
possibilities, the set of probabilities is far smaller.

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On Nov 18, 6:40*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"Me" wrote in message

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* This is not a shuttle replacement.

And one of those boosters below with a 'next-gen'
X-37 on top can't become the shuttle replacement?
And maybe that will be the better choice than
The Ares Stick and Heavy? I

*The shuttle replacements were
the Titan IV, Delta II, Atlas II, Atlas V and Delta IV

No, that defeats the purpose. the X-37 just gets in the way.
Payloads don't need the X-37.
As for Orion, which can fly without the Stick,it can fly on EELV's.
X-37 is not for lunar flights or beyond

"Jonathan" wrote:

"Me" wrote in message
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This is not a shuttle replacement.


And one of those boosters below with a 'next-gen'
X-37 on top can't become the shuttle replacement?

Nope. They can become the next crew transport, but none of those
boosters have sufficient payload capability to carry a reusable
spacecraft with significant cargo capacity.

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"Jonathan" wrote:


"Derek Lyons" wrote in message
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"Jonathan" wrote:

RAPID CAPABILITIES OFFICE


Mission

"The Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office expedites development and fielding
of select Department of Defense combat support and weapon systems by
leveraging defense-wide technology development efforts and existing
operational capabilities. The Board of Directors tasks the office directly
to address needs that involve mission applications and operational concepts
requiring specialized expertise, and involve sensitive activities managed
by other government agencies. The office also conducts projects on
accelerated timelines."
http://www.af.mil/information/factsh....asp?fsID=3466


Notice the two important statements, that this office deals with
higly secret military systems which need to be ...QUICKLY....
developed.

Notice that the above says neither 'quickly' nor 'highly secret'.


Now I know why you lose every single debate with me,

Given that I haven't lost one yet, I fail to see how you can reach
that conclusion.

you can't read.

On the contrary, I *can* read.

The above statement explains what this office does. I quote, it
"expedites development and fielding...". Can you comprehend that
statement?

Yes I can. In military buzzword parlance, "expedite" means (among
other things) "without the normal burdens of paperwork, oversight, and
review that slow down projects in hopes of actually speeding up the
project". It does not have the civilian meaning of "quickly".

And the other is and I quote "sensitive activities". Is the meaning
of that also outside your comprehension?

Nope, that statement is trivially understood - once you grasp that
"sensitive" != "classified". "Sensitive" has a wide variety of
meanings, including "classified", but also "mission critical", "time
critical", etc... etc...

Only in Hollywood and bad technothrillers does "sensitive" invariable
mean "highly classified".

Come back when you've learned to read at no less than
a jr high level. Responses like this make it hard to take
you seriously.

ROTFLMAO.

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Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

Derek Lyons wrote:
Nope. They can become the next crew transport, but none of those
boosters have sufficient payload capability to carry a reusable
spacecraft with significant cargo capacity.

Although I'm still at a loss about what exactly the USAF X-37B is
supposed to do, the NASA X-37A variant would have been very useful for
automated microgravity manufacture and return of the things manufactured
to Earth - vaccines, new alloys, microspheres, etc.
There could be a real opening for a profitable commercial venture based
on a vehicle like this, particularly if it could be launched by a
economical booster.

Pat

Rick Jones wrote:
One *could* conceivably see the Tomahawk
as a prototype for a small manned jet.

Gonna take a really tiny pilot... ;-)

Pat

In sci.space.history Pat Flannery wrote:
Rick Jones wrote:
One *could* conceivably see the Tomahawk as a prototype for a
small manned jet.

Gonna take a really tiny pilot... ;-)

Instead of announcing the arrival, Tatoo could be flying zee plane

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Rick Jones wrote:
Gonna take a really tiny pilot... ;-)

Instead of announcing the arrival, Tatoo could be flying zee plane

The manned cruise missile that would have been really wild to fly was
the proposed manned version of the Soviet "Buran" Mach 3 rocket boosted
intercontinental ramjet.
Myasishchev intended to use that in somewhat the same manner that the US
did the X-15.
I don't know if this was a serious North American proposal or just
Strombecker models screwing around, but a manned interceptor based on
the Navaho missile is fairly nifty also:
http://fantastic-plastic.com/ITCF-108RAPIERPAGE.htm
The F-108 design they finally settled on didn't ride on the back of a
booster rocket, but they did propose launching a X-15 on a Navaho
booster: http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/g26x15.jpg

Pat