The Mirror Universe

On May 29, 8:29*am, Zanthius wrote:
On 27 Mai, 20:03, dlzc wrote:

Given enough data... there remains "free will" and "causality" to be
reconciled. *Did something happen because of an event in the past
(event causal), or because the "tape" showed that happening next?


every individual is a part to the matrix of causality (including
morphogenetic fields).

at the moment the confusion is confusing me... why are they warring?
sometimes the individual has pride of place sometimes the events
mechanically have power.... over the individual. there is a degrees
thing... inter act... if one half of the pull has a all powerful thing
over the other then the will isn't likely to succeed, i believe that a
successful will acts in grace with the universe AND itself..... if it
succeeds and this is not the case, then success is apparent and i
believe in reprecussions.

I don't believe that I have free will, but I know that I have
consciousness, and explaining how a character in a video tape gains
consciousness would be a little hard to explain.

Perhaps my consciousness is some kind of friction generated as the
video tape of the universe is played.

"my consciousness" ?

On May 29, 9:09*am, dead wrote:
On May 29, 8:29*am, Zanthius wrote:

On 27 Mai, 20:03, dlzc wrote:

Given enough data... there remains "free will" and "causality" to be
reconciled. *Did something happen because of an event in the past
(event causal), or because the "tape" showed that happening next?

every individual is a part to the matrix of causality (including
morphogenetic fields).

at the moment the confusion is confusing me... why are they warring?
sometimes the individual has pride of place sometimes the events
mechanically have power.... over the individual. *there is a degrees
thing... inter act... if one half of the pull has a all powerful thing
over the other then the will isn't likely to succeed, i believe that a
successful will acts in grace with the universe AND itself..... if it
succeeds and this is not the case, then success is apparent and i
believe in reprecussions.

I don't believe that I have free will, but I know that I have
consciousness, and explaining how a character in a video tape gains
consciousness would be a little hard to explain.

Perhaps my consciousness is some kind of friction generated as the
video tape of the universe is played.

"my consciousness" ?

when the will breaches a universal code of ethic, which is unwritten
and intuitive and dependent one every individual, the disruption to
the greater power around.. their individual will, their field, their
actions and effect... will collapse in on them, only to balance the
universe.

in some way it is possible to succeed in exerting oneself against a
system of a larger will and power than oneself only because one is in
a higher state of grace with the universe. so an individual might
collapse a system if only because the unreality of their group mind
cannot withstand the forces of the universe together.

On May 29, 9:16*am, dead wrote:
On May 29, 9:09*am, dead wrote:





On May 29, 8:29*am, Zanthius wrote:

On 27 Mai, 20:03, dlzc wrote:

Given enough data... there remains "free will" and "causality" to be
reconciled. *Did something happen because of an event in the past
(event causal), or because the "tape" showed that happening next?

every individual is a part to the matrix of causality (including
morphogenetic fields).

at the moment the confusion is confusing me... why are they warring?
sometimes the individual has pride of place sometimes the events
mechanically have power.... over the individual. *there is a degrees
thing... inter act... if one half of the pull has a all powerful thing
over the other then the will isn't likely to succeed, i believe that a
successful will acts in grace with the universe AND itself..... if it
succeeds and this is not the case, then success is apparent and i
believe in reprecussions.

I don't believe that I have free will, but I know that I have
consciousness, and explaining how a character in a video tape gains
consciousness would be a little hard to explain.

Perhaps my consciousness is some kind of friction generated as the
video tape of the universe is played.

"my consciousness" ?

when the will breaches a universal code of ethic, which is unwritten
and intuitive and dependent one every individual, the disruption to
the greater power around.. their individual will, their field, their
actions and effect... will collapse in on them, only to balance the
universe.

in some way it is possible to succeed in exerting oneself against a
system of a larger will and power than oneself only because one is in
a higher state of grace with the universe. *so an individual might
collapse a system if only because the unreality of their group mind
cannot withstand the forces of the universe together.

or a system might murder say jesus who i am no fan of and evolution
tending to go his direction he still succeeded over the apparent
victory.

On May 29, 9:19*am, dead wrote:
On May 29, 9:16*am, dead wrote:





On May 29, 9:09*am, dead wrote:

On May 29, 8:29*am, Zanthius wrote:

On 27 Mai, 20:03, dlzc wrote:

Given enough data... there remains "free will" and "causality" to be
reconciled. *Did something happen because of an event in the past
(event causal), or because the "tape" showed that happening next?

every individual is a part to the matrix of causality (including
morphogenetic fields).

at the moment the confusion is confusing me... why are they warring?
sometimes the individual has pride of place sometimes the events
mechanically have power.... over the individual. *there is a degrees
thing... inter act... if one half of the pull has a all powerful thing
over the other then the will isn't likely to succeed, i believe that a
successful will acts in grace with the universe AND itself..... if it
succeeds and this is not the case, then success is apparent and i
believe in reprecussions.

I don't believe that I have free will, but I know that I have
consciousness, and explaining how a character in a video tape gains
consciousness would be a little hard to explain.

Perhaps my consciousness is some kind of friction generated as the
video tape of the universe is played.

"my consciousness" ?

when the will breaches a universal code of ethic, which is unwritten
and intuitive and dependent one every individual, the disruption to
the greater power around.. their individual will, their field, their
actions and effect... will collapse in on them, only to balance the
universe.

in some way it is possible to succeed in exerting oneself against a
system of a larger will and power than oneself only because one is in
a higher state of grace with the universe. *so an individual might
collapse a system if only because the unreality of their group mind
cannot withstand the forces of the universe together.

or a system might murder say jesus who i am no fan of and evolution
tending to go his direction he still succeeded over the apparent
victory.

cockroaches survive because they are adapted to apocalyptic
environment or so they told me.

On May 29, 9:24*am, dead wrote:
On May 29, 9:19*am, dead wrote:





On May 29, 9:16*am, dead wrote:

On May 29, 9:09*am, dead wrote:

On May 29, 8:29*am, Zanthius wrote:

On 27 Mai, 20:03, dlzc wrote:

Given enough data... there remains "free will" and "causality" to be
reconciled. *Did something happen because of an event in the past
(event causal), or because the "tape" showed that happening next?

every individual is a part to the matrix of causality (including
morphogenetic fields).

at the moment the confusion is confusing me... why are they warring?
sometimes the individual has pride of place sometimes the events
mechanically have power.... over the individual. *there is a degrees
thing... inter act... if one half of the pull has a all powerful thing
over the other then the will isn't likely to succeed, i believe that a
successful will acts in grace with the universe AND itself..... if it
succeeds and this is not the case, then success is apparent and i
believe in reprecussions.

I don't believe that I have free will, but I know that I have
consciousness, and explaining how a character in a video tape gains
consciousness would be a little hard to explain.

Perhaps my consciousness is some kind of friction generated as the
video tape of the universe is played.

"my consciousness" ?

when the will breaches a universal code of ethic, which is unwritten
and intuitive and dependent one every individual, the disruption to
the greater power around.. their individual will, their field, their
actions and effect... will collapse in on them, only to balance the
universe.

in some way it is possible to succeed in exerting oneself against a
system of a larger will and power than oneself only because one is in
a higher state of grace with the universe. *so an individual might
collapse a system if only because the unreality of their group mind
cannot withstand the forces of the universe together.

or a system might murder say jesus who i am no fan of and evolution
tending to go his direction he still succeeded over the apparent
victory.

cockroaches survive because they are adapted to apocalyptic
environment or so they told me.

we canot free will a nuclear explosion away from our body without
adapting to this kind of thing by holing under ground or becoming
super human in its context.

our will must be suited to conditions but conditions of course bend to
the will because our will is another condition everything has
'charge'. the observer and observed are both a part of the
experiments, we are not helpless. the possibilities are endless if we
develop our person in power and negotiated relation with systems all
the way other wise we fall out of the cloud when it is higher than our
mountain.

this helps me if the subject matter is not to your taste, lol.

Dear Zanthius:

"Zanthius" wrote in message
...
On 25 Mai, 20:24, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
wrote:
Personally, I think of a black hole as an entirely
new creation, from alpha to omega, with only the
container Universe as a "boundary condition".

I don't believe that a black hole is capable of
creating a universe with more "stuff" than what
the black hole is made of.

Assuming Hawking radiation is correct, how many times does the
contents of the black hole "recycle" back above the horizon, only
to fall back in? The question remains, is the "new" Universe
located between horizon and singularity, or does it wait for the
singularity to become stable before starting?

So in that case, a supermassive black hole
would create a larger universe than stellar size
black hole, and none of them would create a
universe with a size similar to ours.

Maybe all it does is provide a longer timeline...

David A. Smith

Dear Zanthius:

"Zanthius" wrote in message
...
On 27 Mai, 20:03, dlzc wrote:
Given enough data... there remains "free will" and
"causality" to be reconciled. Did something happen
because of an event in the past (event causal), or
because the "tape" showed that happening next?

I don't believe that I have free will, but I know that
I have consciousness, and explaining how a
character in a video tape gains consciousness
would be a little hard to explain.

Consider an actor in a play. The actions are constrained, but
the motivation is subject to internal unconstrained processes.

Perhaps my consciousness is some kind of
friction generated as the video tape of the universe
is played.

I think you belittle yourself, but that is your choice.

David A. Smith

On May 29, 9:31*am, dead wrote:
On May 29, 9:24*am, dead wrote:





On May 29, 9:19*am, dead wrote:

On May 29, 9:16*am, dead wrote:

On May 29, 9:09*am, dead wrote:

On May 29, 8:29*am, Zanthius wrote:

On 27 Mai, 20:03, dlzc wrote:

Given enough data... there remains "free will" and "causality" to be
reconciled. *Did something happen because of an event in the past
(event causal), or because the "tape" showed that happening next?

every individual is a part to the matrix of causality (including
morphogenetic fields).

at the moment the confusion is confusing me... why are they warring?
sometimes the individual has pride of place sometimes the events
mechanically have power.... over the individual. *there is a degrees
thing... inter act... if one half of the pull has a all powerful thing
over the other then the will isn't likely to succeed, i believe that a
successful will acts in grace with the universe AND itself..... if it
succeeds and this is not the case, then success is apparent and i
believe in reprecussions.

I don't believe that I have free will, but I know that I have
consciousness, and explaining how a character in a video tape gains
consciousness would be a little hard to explain.

Perhaps my consciousness is some kind of friction generated as the
video tape of the universe is played.

"my consciousness" ?

when the will breaches a universal code of ethic, which is unwritten
and intuitive and dependent one every individual, the disruption to
the greater power around.. their individual will, their field, their
actions and effect... will collapse in on them, only to balance the
universe.

in some way it is possible to succeed in exerting oneself against a
system of a larger will and power than oneself only because one is in
a higher state of grace with the universe. *so an individual might
collapse a system if only because the unreality of their group mind
cannot withstand the forces of the universe together.

or a system might murder say jesus who i am no fan of and evolution
tending to go his direction he still succeeded over the apparent
victory.

cockroaches survive because they are adapted to apocalyptic
environment or so they told me.

we canot free will a nuclear explosion away from our body without
adapting to this kind of thing by holing under ground or becoming
super human in its context.

our will must be suited to conditions but conditions of course bend to
the will because our will is another condition everything has
'charge'. the observer and observed are both a part of the
experiments, we are not helpless. the possibilities are endless if we
develop our person in power and negotiated relation with systems all
the way other wise we fall out of the cloud when it is higher than our
mountain.

this helps me if the subject matter is not to your taste, lol.

i am explaining my win over the universe in the casino the other
night... or is 23 "universally" lucky? or is it "just luck".

there were a few theories happening. one at the roullete table where
23 continued to occur where my cousin and i had been i felt compassion
for the nerdy guy in the booth and i believe that established a
connection and our will synchronised. then my lucky number became his
and his own magic made 23 continue occuring.

alas we left the table and the luck at table 313 continued and i won
on 23 as i had on one of the original bets. so all my money was
almost from only these 2 bets on 23 and i didn't bet much else because
i don't have the money.

total winnings were $230 after the loss.

there is some idea of power over and some idea of acting
synchronisation with the universe... and they are both happening. and
the universe includes other people... and the environment such as the
casino games themself.

these inanimate things can be considered in materialistic mechanics or
and from the point of view of being a part of the universal energy web
behind the scene.

the higher evolved a thing is the more the energy plays out of the
thing and that thing becomes animated and observably conscious by its
behaviour.

when we talk of individuals interacting there is a greater play of
energetic fields because we have evolved more deeply and powerfully
into this BTS "realm" of physical existence, experience, and the
mind. then the 'matrix' becomes way more complex and involved than
physical mechanics but i believe the causality argument still applies
to the social vs the individual, or even spirits vs individual come to
think of it.

there is this other subject of the prophet and the magician. they
compliment one another and one is the will and one is receptivity.
the prophet is attuned to all the forces and the physical situation
environment, social climate and process, and he makes predictions
based on his surrender of individuality to pure awareness of the whole
around him. and the magician plays into the flow of nature, society,
and the process of things with his own 'seed' and plays his part in a
more masculine way. however if he is out of touch with reality then he
is masturbating.

this is only the same old sense, motor, cognition, intention argument
rethought in more interesting terms.

On May 29, 10:20*am, dead wrote:
On May 29, 9:31*am, dead wrote:





On May 29, 9:24*am, dead wrote:

On May 29, 9:19*am, dead wrote:

On May 29, 9:16*am, dead wrote:

On May 29, 9:09*am, dead wrote:

On May 29, 8:29*am, Zanthius wrote:

On 27 Mai, 20:03, dlzc wrote:

Given enough data... there remains "free will" and "causality" to be
reconciled. *Did something happen because of an event in the past
(event causal), or because the "tape" showed that happening next?

every individual is a part to the matrix of causality (including
morphogenetic fields).

at the moment the confusion is confusing me... why are they warring?
sometimes the individual has pride of place sometimes the events
mechanically have power.... over the individual. *there is a degrees
thing... inter act... if one half of the pull has a all powerful thing
over the other then the will isn't likely to succeed, i believe that a
successful will acts in grace with the universe AND itself..... if it
succeeds and this is not the case, then success is apparent and i
believe in reprecussions.

I don't believe that I have free will, but I know that I have
consciousness, and explaining how a character in a video tape gains
consciousness would be a little hard to explain.

Perhaps my consciousness is some kind of friction generated as the
video tape of the universe is played.

"my consciousness" ?

when the will breaches a universal code of ethic, which is unwritten
and intuitive and dependent one every individual, the disruption to
the greater power around.. their individual will, their field, their
actions and effect... will collapse in on them, only to balance the
universe.

in some way it is possible to succeed in exerting oneself against a
system of a larger will and power than oneself only because one is in
a higher state of grace with the universe. *so an individual might
collapse a system if only because the unreality of their group mind
cannot withstand the forces of the universe together.

or a system might murder say jesus who i am no fan of and evolution
tending to go his direction he still succeeded over the apparent
victory.

cockroaches survive because they are adapted to apocalyptic
environment or so they told me.

we canot free will a nuclear explosion away from our body without
adapting to this kind of thing by holing under ground or becoming
super human in its context.

our will must be suited to conditions but conditions of course bend to
the will because our will is another condition everything has
'charge'. the observer and observed are both a part of the
experiments, we are not helpless. the possibilities are endless if we
develop our person in power and negotiated relation with systems all
the way other wise we fall out of the cloud when it is higher than our
mountain.

this helps me if the subject matter is not to your taste, lol.

i am explaining my win over the universe in the casino the other
night... or is 23 "universally" lucky? *or is it "just luck".

there were a few theories happening. *one at the roullete table where
23 continued to occur where my cousin and i had been i felt compassion
for the nerdy guy in the booth and i * * believe that established a
connection and our will synchronised. then my lucky number became his
and his own magic made 23 continue occuring.

alas we left the table and the luck at table 313 continued and i won
on 23 as i had on one of the original bets. *so all my money was
almost from only these 2 bets on 23 and i didn't bet much else because
i don't have the money.

total winnings were $230 after the loss.

there is some idea of power over and some idea of acting
synchronisation with the universe... and they are both happening. *and
the universe includes other people... and the environment such as the
casino games themself.

these inanimate things can be considered in materialistic mechanics or
and from the point of view of being a part of the universal energy web
behind the scene.

the higher evolved a thing is the more the energy plays out of the
thing and that thing becomes animated and observably conscious by its
behaviour.

when we talk of individuals interacting there is a greater play of
energetic fields because we have evolved more deeply and powerfully
into this BTS "realm" of physical existence, experience, and the
mind. * then the 'matrix' *becomes way more complex and involved than
physical mechanics but i believe the causality argument still applies
to the social vs the individual, or even spirits vs individual come to
think of it.

there is this other subject of the prophet and the magician. *they
compliment one another and one is the will and one is receptivity.
the prophet is attuned to all the forces and the physical situation
environment, social climate and process, and he makes predictions
based on his surrender of individuality to pure awareness of the whole
around him. *and the magician plays into the flow of nature, society,
and the process of things with his own 'seed' and plays his part in a
more masculine way. however if he is out of touch with reality then he
is masturbating.

this is only the same old sense, motor, cognition, intention argument
rethought in more interesting terms.

when you see what you're doing you're more effective because you are
orienting the behaviour to the inevitabilities of the environment. !!

On 29 Mai, 04:00, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" wrote:
Consider an actor in a play. The actions are constrained, but
the motivation is subject to internal unconstrained processes.

Much of human motivation can be explained by hormones. A female dog
scatters sexual pheromones into the air, a male dog catches the
pheromones with his nose, and this triggers a production of sexual
hormones in the male dog, which motivates him to run towards the
female dog.

All instinctive motivations are triggered by hormones, but mental
motivations can be a little harder to explain, especially if they are
of a very abstract nature, and seems to have nothing to do with the
genetic programming.

I tempted to believe that my mental motivated has been programmed to a
large degree by myself, and not so much by my genes, but even so, I
think my mental motivation is deterministic.

There always seems to be a reason for my mental motivation, which can
be traced back to my previous experiences, and the knowledge stored in
my brain.