Yay. In trouble with ITAR...

In article ,
Pat Flannery wrote:

Scott Lowther wrote:

"However, just before we left KSC, a guy from the NASA Export Control
Office (which is run by some contractor, maybe Analex?) came by our
office on an "inspection" and told us we had to take down all the
Saturn V drawings we had around ... now, these were just old NAA
public relation drawings, plus a few commercially-purchased posters
showing the Saturn V internals in very rough detail. He said they
were all covered by ITAR and therefore had to be locked up! We kept
telling him some were purchased at the Visitor Center Gift Shop, but
he did not care. He ended up coming around with an armed security cop
until we took them down and shredded them."


WTF??? Saturn V is under ITAR control? Has anyone told David Weeks?

You just can't make this **** up, can you?
This reminds me of them taking the Fat Man and Little Boy off display at
the National Atomic Museum because some terrorist might learn how to
make a nuclear weapon by studying them. "So that's what we've been doing
wrong! The fins go at the _back_ end!"
Somebody might want to point out to them that the Saturn V, and all
drawings of the Saturn V, were financed by taxpayers as part of a
civilian space project by a civilian agency, and therefore are public
property every bit as much as photos taken on the Moon's surface by the
astronauts are.
They are probably concerned that Iran or China will back-engineer a
Saturn V from the drawings and get to the Moon before we return.
This administration is completely off its rocker when it comes to
security and classifying things. Most of this seems to emanate from
Cheney's office, who I am becoming increasingly convinced is clinically
mentally unbalanced.

That's life in Bush's Amerika. No doubt some 'pug will now post an
explanation of how this is all actually Bill Kkkklinton's fault.

richard schumacher wrote:
That's life in Bush's Amerika. No doubt some 'pug will now post an
explanation of how this is all actually Bill Kkkklinton's fault.


They've already done that.
And I'm insane BTW. :-D

Pat

Why support Scott Loather when you can get the same info from Mark
Wade's site, plus in the book about the Saturn 5, the Saturn 5's
payload guide is right there in black and white. Plus go to the
library and scour back issues of AWST between 1965 qnd 1966

Pat

wrote:

Why support Scott Loather when you can get the same info from Mark
Wade's site, plus in the book about the Saturn 5, the Saturn 5's
payload guide is right there in black and white. Plus go to the
library and scour back issues of AWST between 1965 qnd 1966


I tune him out when he's in Rush Limbaugh mode.

However I listen attentively when Lowther talks about space or engineering.

Hop

On Jul 28, 1:13 pm, richard schumacher wrote:
In article ,
Pat Flannery wrote:



Scott Lowther wrote:

"However, just before we left KSC, a guy from the NASA Export Control
Office (which is run by some contractor, maybe Analex?) came by our
office on an "inspection" and told us we had to take down all the
Saturn V drawings we had around ... now, these were just old NAA
public relation drawings, plus a few commercially-purchased posters
showing the Saturn V internals in very rough detail. He said they
were all covered by ITAR and therefore had to be locked up! We kept
telling him some were purchased at the Visitor Center Gift Shop, but
he did not care. He ended up coming around with an armed security cop
until we took them down and shredded them."

WTF??? Saturn V is under ITAR control? Has anyone told David Weeks?

You just can't make this **** up, can you?
This reminds me of them taking the Fat Man and Little Boy off display at
the National Atomic Museum because some terrorist might learn how to
make a nuclear weapon by studying them. "So that's what we've been doing
wrong! The fins go at the _back_ end!"
Somebody might want to point out to them that the Saturn V, and all
drawings of the Saturn V, were financed by taxpayers as part of a
civilian space project by a civilian agency, and therefore are public
property every bit as much as photos taken on the Moon's surface by the
astronauts are.
They are probably concerned that Iran or China will back-engineer a
Saturn V from the drawings and get to the Moon before we return.
This administration is completely off its rocker when it comes to
security and classifying things. Most of this seems to emanate from
Cheney's office, who I am becoming increasingly convinced is clinically
mentally unbalanced.

That's life in Bush's Amerika. No doubt some 'pug will now post an
explanation of how this is all actually Bill Kkkklinton's fault.

I'm afraid that both major parties are bad news
when it comes to ITAR--and a lot of other
issues.

Len

"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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Somebody might want to point out to them that the Saturn V, and all
drawings of the Saturn V, were financed by taxpayers as part of a civilian
space project by a civilian agency, and therefore are public property
every bit as much as photos taken on the Moon's surface by the astronauts
are.

Our tax dollars funded the development of many defense projects that are
classified. Does this mean they should all be public domain now? Get a
grip man, get a grip.

Danny Deger

On Aug 1, 1:19 pm, "Danny Deger" wrote:
"Pat Flannery" wrote in message

...

snip

Somebody might want to point out to them that the Saturn V, and all
drawings of the Saturn V, were financed by taxpayers as part of a civilian
space project by a civilian agency, and therefore are public property
every bit as much as photos taken on the Moon's surface by the astronauts
are.

Our tax dollars funded the development of many defense projects that are
classified. Does this mean they should all be public domain now? Get a
grip man, get a grip.

Danny Deger

The only thing to grip about the Saturn V is the lies upon lies, as
based entirely upon the Yiddish conditional physics of those smart
Third Reich Jewish wizards that somehow made it all possible, before
they each fell off the edge of Earth.

Odd that we still can't manage to replicate any similar or scale
version of our Saturn V, and not even at half the inert mass is the
60:1 ratio capable of accomplishing anything related to orbiting our
moon, that is unless taking considerably greater time.
- Brad Guth

Danny Deger wrote:

Our tax dollars funded the development of many defense projects that
are classified. Does this mean they should all be public domain
now? Get a grip man, get a grip.

Oh, I have no problem with keeping defense projects details classified;
but the Saturn V/Apollo was a civilian, not military program.
Classifying it, especially forty years after it was made, is really a
case of closing the barn door after the horse has left...in this case
the horse is long dead of old age.
It would be rather like classifying the plans for Hoover Dam in the
1970's, and trying to seize all photos and drawings of it.

Pat

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:56:45 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

It would be rather like classifying the plans for Hoover Dam in the
1970's, and trying to seize all photos and drawings of it.

Bad example. The Hoover Dam plans might actually be useful to someone
who is up to no good.

If someone out there is planning to use the Saturn plans to build
their own rocket, maybe we should just give them to them and hire them
for Constellation. They can't really do any worse than Ares I.


Brian

Brian Thorn wrote:
Bad example. The Hoover Dam plans might actually be useful to someone
who is up to no good.


If one of those Canadian Lancaster bombers ever goes missing, watch out.
:-)
Seriusly, the thing is so massive that it would be very difficult to
destroy with anything less than a nuclear weapon.

Pat