Our Taboo/Nondisclosure Moon

"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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"TheEnigmaMachine" wrote in message


Whoopsie daisy!

Guthian mind vomit wandered about Lagrange point #2 and got stuck there.
Inquiring minds that don't want to know should visit Brad's post-anal
dark
matter at that location.

Is that more jewspeak, like the time when you got others to put one of
your own kind on a stick?

Obviously you're way too dumbfounded to constructively share and share
alike, that is without blowing out another Old Testament gasket.
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Brad Guth


We could fry your azz on Venus too but the grease splatters from all the fat
would make it far too messy.

We might be able to run Venus' axis up through your butt Oliver Cromwell
style. We could then use Venus as a rotisserie. A little barbecue sauce,
some big chunks of onions and peppers...even Brad Guth might be edible?
Don't eat the brains though. You'll get kuru.

As for Guthian brain fat, at absolute zero, it resembles bacon grease. To
dispose of, place in permanent orbit in the Keiper belt. Space junk is best
kept at arm's length.

"TheEnigmaMachine" wrote in message


TheEnigmaMachine,
So, you obviously have to admit that you and others of your kind do not
believe in the regular laws of physics, nor in whatever's of replicated
science, much less in utilizing applied technology no matters what.
That's interesting that there's still the sorts of intellectually
perverted folks like yourself believing the Earth is actually flat, and
that everything still revolves around your flat Earth plus each of those
stinking Old Testament spewing butts. It's as though you folks are
equal if not better than God.

Venus simply offers unlimited loads of perfectly constructive (meaning
positive) physics and thus quite doable energy alternatives for
sustaining intelligent life as we know it (meaning ETs or us and
possibly even Venusian locals), that which is entirely supported by
those pesky regular laws of physics and by whatever the best available
replicated science has to say, right along with those honest historical
truth(s) that are available to behold even if you were blind. I merely
tend to agree with the fine research and expertise of so many others
that you folks obviously despise with all of your collective black
hearts.

With all of that spare and 100% renewable energy available while doing
Venus, seems a touch weird that you folks can't manage to keep your beer
cold, much less your dumbfounded "azz" from getting summarily fried.
That problem of yours must be because of all those incest mutated DNA
codes that's are at fault.

Would you or others in your all-knowing realm of promoting NASA's
infomercials and subsequent hypology like to openly talk about or
otherwise constructively share an honest thought or two, such as by way
of contributing to my honestly subjective observationology of Venus, or
perhaps on behalf of reviewing the LSE-CM/ISS that's likely going to be
accomplished by China, or how about the daunting task of our
not-so-simply relocating that GW pesky moon of our's out to Earth's L1,
for accomplishing a little shade and much less gravity/tidal induced
trauma? (or is any of that asking too much of your Skull and Bones
incest mutated naysay mindset?)
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First of all, taboo/nondisclosure worthy topic or not, Earth w/o moon
would still be humanly livable, although soon enough becoming an icy
cold sucker and we'd all have to learn how to effectively snowshoe and
ski. However, Earth w/o magnetosphere will soon become a larger version
of Mars, and thus not so surface livable, especially as the solar winds
rip and excavate away at our atmosphere that's otherwise getting more
and more locked up in the form of ice, soon to become partially polar
dry-ice.

An ongoing question is: What can we best afford to move into Earth's L1
that'll give us the most interactive control of shade, and still provide
us with multiple other nifty considerations that are much better off
than we currently have to work with?

The previous pun of a notion that's on behalf of relocating Sedna to
Earth's L1 might eventually become one of our best solutions for
accomplishing a solar shade that's a little big but otherwise just about
the right size of solar shade. However, as for my going along with John
Schilling, I'd have to agree that a relocation of Sedna to Earth's L1 is
a stretch, not to mention a serious long term alternative that sucks at
being at least a good century at best away from benefiting our GW
situation, that's only going to get worse per year after year no matters
what. Or, don't you folks fully appreciate where the vast majority of
our ice age thawing and ongoing GW energy is actually coming from?

Did by chance any of you folks even once bother to ask our resident
lord/wizard William Mook, as to exactly how much tonnage of U238/U235
we're talking about, as per relocating our very own moon, to Earth's L1?

Or, what if instead of wasting a perfectly good 2000 kg cache of U238
that we're likely going to need for WW-III, we simply utilized Sedna's
arriving worth of KE, as for having a direct impact at just the right
timing and angle?

Say if Sedna's icy mass of 5e21 kg were orchestrated on behalf of
arriving at the final moon impact velocity of 2 km/s = 1e28 x eff joules

Even if that were at 10% KE impact efficiency, that's offering 1e27
joules, although a rear-ender/(sucker punch) at 1 km/sec would become a
much softer 2.5e26 joules, that by rights should still accomplish a
little something impressive.
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Alternative if not a whole lot better local Plan-B: Relocate our moon

Relocating lunar mass via L2 deployed tether, far out past the moon's L2
point of no return. Say going way out there for using this 2X L2, and
say we/robotics somehow manage to place 1e9 tonnes out there on the
tippy end of that nifty 2X L2 tethered distance away from the moon's CG,
a placement distance of roughly 129,400 km for starters seems perfectly
doable.

How much applied exit or delta-v force is that going to provide?

Here's the best preliminary math that seems about right.

2X moon L2 = 129,400 km

129,400 / 384,400 = .33663

Orbital velocity: 1.33663 x 1.023 km/s = 1.367 km/s

2X L2 orbital Earth velocity = 1.367 km/s (in relation to Earth)

2X L2 orbital moon velocity = 344.421 m/s (in relation to the moon)

Centripetal/Centrifugal force: Fc=MV2/r
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cf.html#cf

If we're given the 2X L2 orbital mass of 1e12 kg (including whatever's
tether)

Moon's 2X L2: Fc=MV2/r = 9.167374e8 N = 93,481 tonnes

Earth/moon 2X L2: Fc=MV2/r = 3.637e9 N = 370,871 tonnes

That's a combined total of 464,353 tonnes of centrifugal applied force
that's worthy of accomplishing something, especially when applied over
the time span of perhaps a few years, of which I don't believe it'll
actually take all that long, or even nearly the 1e12 kg placement of
mass at the moon's 2X L2.

Roughly/swag speaking; using this moon L2 package of 1e12 kg in
tethered mass acting as a physical tug upon getting that nasty moon
further away from Earth, how long will it take for that task of getting
rid of our moon (relocated to Earth L1 that is)?

Seems having our moon relocated to Earth's L1 is actually a
multi-tasking win-win for accomplishing all sorts of future science and
space exploration, and otherwise of direct benefit to our environment,
and of most everything else I can think of seems better off. As for the
naysay or whatever negatives, at least thus far I have a list of zilch
to offer because, it even benefits my LSE-CM/ISS that can still deploy
its tether dipole element to within 4r of Earth, and there's lots more
to consider if you still have that yaysay open mindset to work with.
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Without hardly much question, our infomercial spewing space policy
sucks, while our moon remains as taboo/nondisclosure, and there's
intelligent other Life existing/coexisting on Venus is simply no lie.
However, in spite of our dumbfounded selves and the likes of our silly
infomercial spewing NASA, and that of their fearless resident LLPOF
warlord(GW Bush), there's plenty of what needs to get accomplished
that'll help to insure a future quality of terrestrial life that's a
whole lot less lethal and otherwise made affordable to most.

Because our moon's physically dark surface is actually made hotter by
day via solar influx energy than is the surface of Venus getting solar
heated, and it's certainly sufficiently naked enough as to being
cosmic/solar reactive as all get out, not to mention the unavoidable
tidal affects that get introduced into our polluted terrestrial
environment, are each representing perfectly good reasons for relocating
our moon further away from Earth, such as ideally locked into Earth's L1
sweet spot, even if it means a little interactive station-keeping effort
is in order.

In addition to all the other bad environmental news coming our way,
Earth may soon enough be w/o its nifty magnetosphere (at least running
on near empty), thus making our GW fiasco a somewhat minor issue for
those of us without sufficient loot for a good enough shelter or a
viable resource of affordable rad-hard food. In other pesky words,
where the hell is all of that supposed intelligent design expertise in
DNA/RNA genetics when you need it?

Since accomplishing most anything upon or even anywhere near our
hocus-pocus moon (where those regular laws of physics apparently do not
apply), which seems as though our moon is rather Usenet
taboo/nondisclosure (especially Mailgate/Usenet off limits), and since
folks here in this silly Usenet land of all that's spook/mole
orchestrated as mostly anti-think-tank as much naysayism as they can
muster, or otherwise stuck in their usual damage control cesspool mode
that simply can't manage to behave themselves, much less focus
constructively upon the original topic at hand; here's yet another of
my constructive GS(global shading) contributions, of related research
work that's in progress, to share and share alike:

Though not impossible, it is simply not all that likely that Earth's
moon emerged for whatever reason(s) from within mother Earth, whereas
more likely as having materialized from an incoming glancing sucker
punch, such as by that of a Sirius Oort cloud icy item, as for Earth
having received a nasty blow (say having created an arctic ocean basin
like impression, along with causing that seasonal tilt), by a very icy
proto-moon (possibly of 4,000 km).

For a brief example of this argument; If the orbital distance were made
half and thus the velocity would have to double because the mutual
gravity of attraction would have become 4X, therefore we'd have
introduced 16 fold more inside and out worth of centripetal/tidal energy
to deal with, and I'm not all that sure mother Earth would have stayed
glued together at that level of horrific gravitional and internal tidal
forced trauma, much less for cutting that orbital distance by yet
another half (making its previous orbit at 96,100 km and velocity of
4.092 km/s) would have to impose yet another 16 fold factor, or rather
suggesting 256 fold worse global warming trauma than what we currently
are suffering from the existing tidal and thereby unavoidable GW affects
as is.

The mainstream argument(s) against my icy proto-moon argument, as to
what's not quite adding up, soon becomes a real physics ****-off; How
much time did it take for that moon which supposedly emerged from within
Earth, to have reached the orbital altitude of 96,100 km, then having
migrated from 96,100 km out to where it's currently operating at 384,400
km? (thus far, none of those spendy computer simulations seem clean
enough)

If within the regular laws of physics and by way of scientific matter of
fact, suggesting that we do seem to have at our disposal 2e20 joules of
potential mascon tidal energy via the mutual Earth/moon gravity and the
for ever ongoing centripetal force to deal with, as applied energy
that's coming or ongoing per each and every second, as such that's
actually imposing a rather great potential of interactive planet--moon
energy that's obviously existing and ongoing, or simply as coming or
going as to/from somewhere or otherwise having to coexist as real
energy.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cf.html#cf
AJ Gravity Equations Formulas Calculator

http://www.ajdesigner.com/phpgravity...tion_force.php
Just for our calculating the Earth/moon static or passive worth of
gravitational force:

object 1 mass (m1) = 5.9736e24 kilogram
object 2 mass (m2) = 7.349e22 kilogram
distance between objects (r) = 384.4e6 meters

grams of gravitational force(F) = 2.021492e22 g
The kg of gravitational force = 2.021492e19 kg

Here's some more of this weird physics math that doesn't quite fit the
status quo mold, suggesting as to what it'll create by way of our having
placed 7.35e22 kg at Earth's L1 if we excluded the sun itself, which of
course can't ever be the case.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cf.html#cf
r = 1.5376e9 meters
M = 7.35e22 kg
V = 112e3 m/s (if in relation to Earth's 24 hr rotation)
Centripetal force: Fc = 5.996254e23 N = 6.11448e22 kgf
6.11448e22 kgf * 9.80665 = 5.996e23 joules Earth--L1

However, since the notion of having our moon relocated at Earth's L1 is
essentially having diverted such a mascon into no longer orbiting us,
there's actually zero centripetal interaction taking place (Earth is
simply rather nicely spinning for no apparent reason at the end of this
mutual and somewhat nullified sol/moon/Earth gravity string), whereas
Sol--Earth L1 is supposedly the primary gravity influence of what takes
back or rather nullifies all of the moon's gravity, as well as having
eliminated the centripetal force of whatever's equivalent in joules
worth of all that implied energy:

As for the sol--moon orbital interaction, as having established a
7.35e22 kg planetoid of orbital Fc = 44.4975e25 joules

object 1 mass (m1) = 1.989e30 kilogram
object 2 mass (m2) = 7.35e22 kilogram
distance between objects (r) = 148060290 meters
gravitational force (F) = 4.5375282969184E+25 kgf
The kgf as energy.s = 4.5375283e25 * 9.80655 = 44.4975e25 joules

Obviously the opposing gravity force/energy relationship that's
involving mother Earth has to be taken into account. I simply haven't
gotten that far.

In other words, with our moon relocated out to Earth L1, we/Earth lose
out on the original 2e20 joules, replaced by the sol/moon combined
gravity and tidal influence that's going to become considerably less
imposing than what we'd had ongoing from having that horrific amount of
nearby orbiting mass of 7.35e22 kg and cruising at 1.023 km/s. However,
we/Earth get to deal with our fair share portion of the 44.4975e25
joules while that moon becomes our local planetoid that's cruising
within Earth's L1, as our binary partner on behalf of offering that much
needed shade.

Since we're talking about the existing Fc as a centripetal force per
second, therefore the conversion over to joules is also of one that's
based upon a second by second basis.

1 joule = 1 W.s (watt second)
3600 j = 1 W.h (watt hour)
1 watt hour of applied energy is therefore worth: 3600 joules
1 joule/sec as applied for an hour thereby also = 3600 joules

Each kgf (kg of applied force/m/s) = 9.80665 joules

There's roughly 2.0394e19 kgf of Fc (centripetal force) that's
continually second by second as ongoing opposing force between Earth and
our unusually massive and nearby orbiting mascon/moon.

The second by second amount of centripetal force becomes:
2.0215e19 * 9.80665 = 19.824e19 joules

Per hour, that amount of second by second applied energy becomes worth:
2e20 j * 3.6e3 = 7.2e23 W.h (watts per hour), or 7.2e20 kw

At 7.2e20 / 5.112e14 m2 = 1.408e6 kw/m2

Obviously we're not getting ourselves mascon/moon roasted or otherwist
tramatised to death by way of that horrific amount of applied energy,
though a small portion of that mutual (inside and out) tidal induced
energy is unavoidably becoming thermal energy via friction (inside and
out). In addition to the Fc of 7.2e20 KW.h, there's also a touch of the
moon's IR/FIR as terrestrial influx, although because we're continually
being science data starved, as without having moon/L1 data, is why I've
not yet accounted for the reflected and secondary worth of such IR/FIR
energy that's received by Earth.

The slight portion of the mascon gravity that's offset by centripetal
force is what I'm suggesting is capable of global warming us inside and
out, as listing below:
0.1% = 1.408 kw/m2
0.01% = 140.8 w/m2
0.001% = 14.1 w/m2
0.0001% = 1.4 w/m2

However, since I'm on such a Usenet taboo or banishment status of a
need-to-know basis, and since I clearly do not already know all there is
to know, is why some of my math could be unintentionally skewed or even
dead wrong. Therefore, if your wizardly expertise should know any
better, perhaps you could simply share by telling us how much or how
little of that total amount of nearby mascon gravity and centripetal
force of applied tidal energy is actually keeping us a little extra warm
and toasty. My swag is leaning towards the 0.001% of the 7.2e20 KW.h,
as being worth 14 w/m2. Of course that's applied inside and out,
including a tidal forced atmosphere and otherwise all the way down to
the very core of Earth, and thereby affecting most everything in between
that's in any way fluid or capable of getting moved along by such
forces.

Therefore, take away our moon and subsequently a major portion of our
surface environment becomes rather extra snowy and icy cold to the
touch, not to mention rather albedo reflective to boot, perhaps even ice
age cold enough as to reestablish a few of those badly receding glaciers
and otherwise expand those polar caps. At least that's what the regular
laws of physics and of replicated science has been suggesting. That's
not my excluding or disqualifying the human GW factor of our global
dimming via soot and by having added those nasty elements (including
h2o) into our frail environment that's obviously anything but within
energy balance, that are directly and/or indirectly polluting our oceans
and atmosphere, like none other or even by what the entire collective of
known species other than human can accomplish (are we humans good at
raping and sucking the very life out of mother Earth, or what).
However, as bad off as that sounds, I simply do not place more than 25%
responsibility onto ourselves, and perhaps that's even worth as little
as 10% of the ongoing global warming demise that's plaguing us until we
manage to relocate that pesky moon of our's.

Too bad there's not one American supercomputer that's worthy of running
any of this analogy, at least not without blowing out their mainstream
status quo CPUs. Apparently only of what's Old Testament faith based,
or as hocus-pocus and/or cloak and dagger pro-NASA/Apollo analogies can
be run as fully 3D interactive computer simulations. As God forbid, you
certainly wouldn't want to rock thy good ship LOLLIPOP with the new and
improved truth, now would we.

Unfortunately, our ongoing demise of our highly protective
magnetosphere, at the rate of -0.05%/year, may eventually overtake the
GW factor, as being the more human DNA and of other forms of life's
ultimate lethal demise of these two ongoing gauntlets, which added
together are going to represent more trauma than most such forms of life
as we know of can manage to evolve our way through, or otherwise survive
via applied technology.

Perhaps if the status quo gets its usual brown-nosed Skull and Bones
worth of big-energy buttology certified way, whereas life on Venus
(though naked humanly hot) isn't looking quite as bad off as we've been
faith-based mainstream informed. Either we take Venus or perhaps China
can accommodate a few million wealthy souls within their 1e9 m3
LSE-CM/ISS, or sterage class accommodations for the rest of us village
idiots as their minions living deep within our moon as Earth recovers
from WW-III and all else that's going to hell.
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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It seems the usual disinformation gauntlet that's continually hauled
about, such as onboard our good ship LOLLIPOP, has butt-loads more of
their infomercial crapolla as damage-control flak to share.

Starlord:
They have maped the moon and only find the light weigth
metal ores.

Is that why the moon is still so salty and otherwise loaded with complex
mascon issues?

Excuse please; Whom the heck is "they", and why should we believe such
remote science as provided by such faith-based and/or politically agenda
formulated individuals, that clearly owe their brown nosed loyalty to
whomever is in charge of their private parts?

Terrestrial identified moon rocks do not seem of low denisity, or didn't
you folks know that?

Starlord:
There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the
universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
heavens.

I simply believe that other life similar or entirely different from
whatever we know of, should by all the known laws of physics and of
other biological rights of pure random happenstance or via intelligent
design exist/coexist elsewhere within this vast universe (possibly even
within our solar system), and of whatever's intelligent enough to have
made space travel safely doable should also be wise enough for giving
our badly polluted Earth a wide buffer DMZ because of our inbread
arrogance, greed and bigotry that has time and again demonstrated as
having practically if not absolutely no remorse whatsoever.

Even though there could have been a far better science transponder
alternative than those terribly small passive areas of retroreflectors,
or that of whatever impact deployed reflective material, whereas until
better interactive range finding science is made available to the
surface of our moon, I'd have to accept the best available science of
others, as having established that our moon is currently leaving town at
the rate of 38 mm/yr.

For our icy proto-moon to have gotten safely away from such a glancing
sucker punch of a nasty bounce off Earth to begin with, whereas it seems
this seasonal tilt making and arctic ocean basin forming encounter
required that our original icy proto-moon had to lose or rather transfer
a good deal of its original mass in the initial impact process, and then
continually having to lose other mass (such as whatever remaining ice),
and ever since losing a sufficient tonnage/yr of sodium in order to be
leaving us at the supposed recession rate of 38 mm/year.

If the mass of our moon had remained essentially unchanged, it's orbit
would have long since stabilized or possibly even in spite of secondary
tidal forces surcome to the mutual gravity of attraction, whereas
instead of losing our moon by 38 mm/yr, we'd be joining back up at some
future date.

Here's some more of my weird math:
As it is continually losing mostly the element of sodium, but also a few
other elements that are getting boiled out and excavated away by the
solar wind, I do believe the 38 mm/yr recession value if taken as per
applied kgf/yr = 90.246e12, or of that force in applied energy of 885e12
joules/yr.

Once again, it's too bad that we're not quite smart enough for having
established an efficient station-keeping moon L1 science platform as of
the mid 60s, whereas we'd certainly have learned a great deal more about
our unusually massive and nearby moon, and I do believe loads more about
Earth science, that is if we only had a brain instead of a mutually
perpetrated cold-war mindset.
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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As you'll see once again, any debate regarding our moon simply isn't
possible without taking on butt-loads of Usenet's mainstream status quo
as naysayism flak.

Everything related to this topic has to remain 100% in support of the
Old Testament, as well as for supporting each and every last word of the
NASA/Apollo koran as though it was the one and only holy grail word of
God. Therefore, the regular laws of physics simply do not apply, and
most other than what's NASA/Apollo of replicated science simply isn't
worth squat without receiving their 100% cloak and dagger approval
rating.

In spite of what lord NASA has to say; There's currently 2e20 joules of
centripetal energy related to our orbiting mascon of a moon. That's
roughly 7.2e20 KWhr that's ongoing for each and every hour. As the moon
loses its sodium plus a few other raw elements of mass is one of the
good reasons that it's continually moving away from us. Another reason
is the solar wind that's continually blowing it more often away from us
than having been directing it towards us, and then we have tidal
gravitational factors to blame for most of the other reasons as to
what's keeping that absolutely extremely massive and relatively nearby
moon away from Earth.

By ratio of planet:moon, there's absolutely none other more substantial
than ours, especially considering its relatively nearby orbit.

There's also a great deal of voltage and amperage worth of raw
electrical energy that's existing between Earth and our moon (best
detected and/or extracted from the moon's L1 because, gravity is a form
of raw energy). I suspect there's a few amps worth of several
teravolts, that's more than likely an attracting force that's somewhat
related to those extremely long photons of gravity, and otherwise
related to the sun's and that of Earth's magnetospheres.

Solar wind itself is much like the mother of what's charging up an
electrostatic battery, like what's existing within our Van Allen belts
is most likely much more intensive as related to what's having been
unavoidably collected and held onto by our nearly naked moon.

On it's own, I do not believe our moon could ever reach Earth's L1,
though I'm not at all sure that it could even demise itself into heading
back towards Earth unless impacted with sufficient force from the back
side, as a nearly dead on hit of something of an icy Sedna could manage
to cause sufficient orbital trauma, especially effective if the impact
event penetrated the lunar crust and thereby added mass to the moon at
the same time.

The rocky or possibly little iron core of Sedna might be worth 50% of
it's total and otherwise extensively icy mass. The Sedna core that
might stick with our moon could thereby amount to 3e21 kg (roughly 4% of
the moon), and that amount should more than help revert the ongoing
recession. Depending upon the angle of Sedna impacting our moon, and a
tonne of complex math, one might get it nailed down to the actual day of
that salty moon impacting Earth, although most all forms of life on
Earth would have been terminated by the absolutely horrific tidal
ripping forces (inside and out) long before that big old nasty sucker
ever touched our atmosphere or much less the actual surface of Earth.
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Brad Guth
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If there's anything more taboo/nondisclosure rated than our moon,
Venus or Sirius, it has got to be those pesky NEOs.

-start pun-

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The Bush plan:

"Tell the goddamned thing to change it's way, or else. All options are
on the table. AFTER it changes it's way, we can talk. This is cosmic
blackmail, and the people of the United States and freedom-loving people
everywhere will not tolerate it. I ask the rest of the peace-loving
nations of the world to join me in seeking to remove this against this
threat to our democratic way of life!"

Asteroid keeps coming. A UN investigation shows that it has no chance of
hitting Earth. 77 nations propose nudging the asteroid into an even
wider orbit.

"If the Rest Of the World isn't going to take care of this, the United
States in the interest of peace and freedom will have to do it on it's
own!"

UN says the asteroid is going to miss by an even wider margin than
previously calculated. More nations suggest that the US plan could
result in disaster, and that the asteroid is not going to hit Earth.
Grade-school kids in India with 32 cent calculators are figuring out the
orbit as part of an arithmetic class, put it somewhere more kilometers
past Earth than their calculators have digits. Rock-throwing
Palestinians calculate that orbit to be somewhere on the other side of
the Moon.

"Sanctions will not work against a brutal and cruel asteroid which does
not care about consequences to itself. I asd the UN to join with me in
forming a Coalition of the Bribed and then Willing to deal with this
menace in the only language it understands."

Bush and 14 other nations work together to confront the asteroid. Three
of them send troops with bicycle pumps to keep the tires of HumVees
inflated, not being aware of how they work. Six more send dates, figs
and cigarettes for the rest of the folks, and the five remaining send
along drivers trained to drive on the right side of the road to assist
in support.

"I have directed the Armed Forces of the Unites States, with the
assistance of NASA, to confront this evil threat in the only way it will
understand. Bring it on!"

So, Bush blows it into a bazillion pieces, many of which are now on
their way to strike Earth. Some will miss for now, preferring to make it
on another pass. As predicted by Saudi Arabian camel jockeys who watch
the stars at night.

"I've had to make the tough decisions. They have no plan of their own.
It's easy to criticize." Now that it's a mess, Bush attacks his critics,
and demands more and more weapons to vaporize every little bit of the
asteroid.

Shortly afterward, the Earth passes through a cloud of very radioactive
debris which makes the damage to WTC look like a pea-shooter attack on
an armored car. The atmosphere is polluted, cities wiped out, fires rage
around the world, oxygen is being depleted, and it's getting cold.

"I told you so!" Bush makes a speech from his bunker, which is supplied
with fresh air and food for those essential for the functioning of the
American government, including Laura and Barney. It is stocked with
100,000 cases of cheap booze for the kids. After all, in a couple of
years search parties can go get more. "I told you that was a vicious
asteroid with only one thing in mind - the destruction of our way of
life!"

With their dying breaths, Conservative applaud.

-end pun-

Seriously folks, I simply love it. The NASA/NEO "Bush Plan" that so
absolutely fits into his born again faith-based Skull and Bones puppet
mindset. Between his butt-cheek brains and the tight butt-crack of
such quail hunting instincts of his trigger happy Dick Cheney. Just
like Iraq, how the hell could we possibly lose?

Please, whatever you do, don't tell anyone (especially not our resident
LLPOF warlord Bush) about the alternative of safely terminating such
NEOs once and for all, by way of simply diverting those nasty suckers
into encountering our good for nothing but global warming moon.
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If there's anything more taboo/nondisclosure rated than our moon,
Venus or Sirius, it has got to be those pesky NEOs.

-start pun-

How To Fight An Asteroid - The Bush Plan / by; kT

http://mygate.mailgate.org/mynews/sci/sci.space.history/ac%25Bh.23$Cz4.1%40newsfe03.lga?order=smart&email= bradguth%40yahoo.com&p=1/9

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.s...6353d44d43f3d1
The Bush plan:

"Tell the goddamned thing to change it's way, or else. All options are
on the table. AFTER it changes it's way, we can talk. This is cosmic
blackmail, and the people of the United States and freedom-loving people
everywhere will not tolerate it. I ask the rest of the peace-loving
nations of the world to join me in seeking to remove this against this
threat to our democratic way of life!"

Asteroid keeps coming. A UN investigation shows that it has no chance of
hitting Earth. 77 nations propose nudging the asteroid into an even
wider orbit.

"If the Rest Of the World isn't going to take care of this, the United
States in the interest of peace and freedom will have to do it on it's
own!"

UN says the asteroid is going to miss by an even wider margin than
previously calculated. More nations suggest that the US plan could
result in disaster, and that the asteroid is not going to hit Earth.
Grade-school kids in India with 32 cent calculators are figuring out the
orbit as part of an arithmetic class, put it somewhere more kilometers
past Earth than their calculators have digits. Rock-throwing
Palestinians calculate that orbit to be somewhere on the other side of
the Moon.

"Sanctions will not work against a brutal and cruel asteroid which does
not care about consequences to itself. I asd the UN to join with me in
forming a Coalition of the Bribed and then Willing to deal with this
menace in the only language it understands."

Bush and 14 other nations work together to confront the asteroid. Three
of them send troops with bicycle pumps to keep the tires of HumVees
inflated, not being aware of how they work. Six more send dates, figs
and cigarettes for the rest of the folks, and the five remaining send
along drivers trained to drive on the right side of the road to assist
in support.

"I have directed the Armed Forces of the Unites States, with the
assistance of NASA, to confront this evil threat in the only way it will
understand. Bring it on!"

So, Bush blows it into a bazillion pieces, many of which are now on
their way to strike Earth. Some will miss for now, preferring to make it
on another pass. As predicted by Saudi Arabian camel jockeys who watch
the stars at night.

"I've had to make the tough decisions. They have no plan of their own.
It's easy to criticize." Now that it's a mess, Bush attacks his critics,
and demands more and more weapons to vaporize every little bit of the
asteroid.

Shortly afterward, the Earth passes through a cloud of very radioactive
debris which makes the damage to WTC look like a pea-shooter attack on
an armored car. The atmosphere is polluted, cities wiped out, fires rage
around the world, oxygen is being depleted, and it's getting cold.

"I told you so!" Bush makes a speech from his bunker, which is supplied
with fresh air and food for those essential for the functioning of the
American government, including Laura and Barney. It is stocked with
100,000 cases of cheap booze for the kids. After all, in a couple of
years search parties can go get more. "I told you that was a vicious
asteroid with only one thing in mind - the destruction of our way of
life!"

With their dying breaths, Conservative applaud.

-end pun-

Seriously folks, I simply love it. The NASA/NEO "Bush Plan" that so
absolutely fits into his born again faith-based Skull and Bones puppet
mindset. Between his butt-cheek brains and the tight butt-crack of
such quail hunting instincts of his trigger happy Dick Cheney. Just
like Iraq, how the hell could we possibly lose?

Please, whatever you do, don't tell anyone (especially not our resident
LLPOF warlord Bush) about the alternative of safely terminating such
NEOs once and for all, by way of simply diverting those nasty suckers
into encountering our good for nothing but global warming moon.
-
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Where's Venus as of Apollo missions A11, A14 and A16?

Where's that official NASA/Apollo interactive 3D simulator, or of any
other solar system simulator that which supposedly proves Venus was
never within a given FOV as from the moon, and therefore was supposedly
nowhere in sight as of missions A11, A14 and A16?

From the moon, Venus would actually for its FOV given size should have
appeared and thereby recorded upon such unfiltered film as looking
somewhat brighter and looking a touch more violet than Earth.

A few examples (of which there are many others available) of terrestrial
obtained images that so happen to include our moon, which due to our
polluted atmosphere are not even half as vibrant as if such had been
obtained as unfiltered and thereby chuck full of near-UV plus UV-a
spectrum energy as if obtained from space, or best as easily viewed from
the physically dark surface of our moon, whereas the dynamic range of
Kodak film was simply far more than sufficient, especially considering
how physically dark and nasty our moon actually should have been, and
even more so of having depicted such dark looking lunar terrain if those
cameras had been utilizing a polarised optical element (of which they
did).

Images of the occultation of Venus by the Moon on July 17 2001 processed
for neutral sky color

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu... off%26sa%3DN

moon + Jupiter + other moon venus occultation / conjunctions
http://static.flickr.com/34/71342628_843c2e91e3.jpg
http://www.occultations.net/moon-jupiter.jpg
http://hometown.aol.com/astropjm/images/solar4-mars.jpg
http://hometown.aol.com/astropjm/images/sol1.jpg
http://www5.ocn.ne.jp/~kawas/jpg/S182vx3.jpg
http://dvaa.org/Photos/TomBash/VenusOcc.html
http://www.astro-photography.com/pla...onjunction.htm

Jupiter - Moon occultation, as taken by Becky Coretti with Bill
Williams, using a 15" Obsession and a Tom O Compact Platform, as per
using a rather pathetic ToUCam along with a TeleVue 4x Powermate.
Within the same FOV and obviously exposed for the same amount of time,
whereas Jupiter is obviously more than bright enough to have been
recorded by a Kodak moment, especially of having an unfiltered look-see
from the surface of our physically dark moon.
http://www.equatorialplatforms.com/moon.saturn.jpg
Imagine how much brighter Venus would have recorded. Even Mars and
Saturn should have recorded within most any given Kodak moment as long
as such were within any number of acceptable FOVs while taking all of
those thousands of pictures. Of course those pesky other items above
the horizon would have represented small bits of such items within view
of the typical lens in use, but still will within the film and lens
resolution to have been easily and unavoidably recorded.

As it stands, team KECK as well as anyone involved with the grand
ruse/sting of our mutually perpetrated cold-war, are each forbidden as
to obtaining such occultation images, as such images would only go to
further prove how often we've been lied to by those of us having "the
right stuff" (after all, it's what our government and of their religious
puppeteers do best).
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It seems that now these pesky Usenet MIB are into diverting if not
shutting down as much of my access to Mailgate/Usenet as possible, as
though somehow that's a viable tactic that's going to alter the truth
and nothing but the truth, and thus save thy infomercial spewing butts.
Keeping such hot topics off their publicly accessed index page is also
another rather pathetic ruse, wouldn't you say.

In addition to all that's clearly ongoing as having been officially
MI/NSA orchestrated as taboo/nondisclosure (damage-control) about most
anything Venus, it seems there's still more bad news that we can all use
about our silly moon, which for good damn reasons hasn't quite been
walked upon.

NASA insiders expose Apollo Hoax / banished from Mailgate

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...2a2ea85ea88d70

http://mygate.mailgate.org/mynews/sc...smart&p=1/1963

If these pro-NASA folks accept their own fundamental notions that our
warm and fuzzy NASA/Apollo expertise have photographed our moon's
physically dark terrain along with mother Earth as coexisting within the
same FOV, and especially interesting is of their Kodak film's DR(dynamic
range) as having rather easily recorded portions of our dark oceans that
are worth an albedo of perhaps 0.1 (entirely similar enough as to the
moon itself), whereas the absolute impressive and somewhat blue/violet
peak spectrum as representing the nearby vibrance of Venus should have
been unavoidably recorded as well. Especially well recorded via those
unfiltered optics that should otherwise have been nearly if not
overloaded with such a gauntlet of all those extra near-UV and UV-a
spectrums worth of photons as having reacted rather nicely with those
highly reflective clouds, which offers us the visual albedo of 0.7~0.8
to work with, whereas the actual peak solar spectrum energy and roughly
reflecting 75% of that 4 kw/m2 is what their naked and unfiltered Kodak
eye had to deal with.

Yet lo and behold, not even from orbit or otherwise from those supposed
EVAs upon the deck had there once been any sign of Venus, much less of
any other significant planets, as well as never once accommodating the
bluish-white vibrant speck of the Sirius star system, all of which were
well within the DR(dynamic range) of those unfiltered Kodak moments, yet
as though such entirely significant items that should have been easily
recorded were never once to be seen (especially odd as of those
NASA/Apollo missions A11, A14 and A16).

As I've often stipulated before, that most any interactive 3D solar
system simulator puts Venus smack within good EVA obtained views of at
least those three missions (always within each of their command module's
orbital view), and I might as well further add, that we have those free
cellphone cameras with apparently far better DR and of a wider spectrum
capability than what our newest MESSENGER mirror optics and spendy 14+db
CCD could apparently muster, as proof-positive via their flyby of Earth
which only provided us with a rather naked looking and otherwise
somewhat pastel view of Earth, w/o even so much as once accommodating
our physically dark moon, much less having shared upon any other
significant planets or stars that simply had to be there, yet all such
other items were getting artificially made as invisible/stealth as were
all of those Muslim WMD.

Remember that starshine as well as earthshine upon the moon is
absolutely vibrant to the unfiltered Kodak eye that's far more sensitive
to having recorded such near-UV and UV-a spectrums than our human eye,
which can't hardly if even detect, not to mention those pesky gamma and
hard-X-ray spectrums of which that moon of our's is absolutely chuck
full of such TBI(total body irradiation) dosage that's simply much worse
off than any lethal hot zone within our Van Allen belts, and that's
still not even including upon all of the continual thermal trauma of
their having to survive those double IR/FIR spectrums that also
coexisted, as coming at their naked moonsuit from nearly all surrounding
directions in addition to whatever sol was directly contributing.

That physically dark and somewhat salty moon of ours is what's actually
a darn good IR/FIR reflector, and otherwise represents a rather ****
poor UV reflector because, such UV energy often gets absorbed and/or
interacts as creating secondary/recoil photons of the [UV black light
generated] near-blue spectrum. Of course the solar and cosmic influx is
what also represents lethal buttloads of having generated those
secondary/recoil photons of gamma and hard-X-rays, with zilch worth of
any attenuation from all possible directions, meaning that your wussy
moonsuit is surrounded by an absolute minimum lethal gauntlet of 3.14e6
m2 that's contributing the full secondary spectrum worth of whatever's
downright nasty if not lethal to your frail DNA, as well as continually
impacting each and every physically more than boiling role of all that
sensitive Kodak film.

Wayne Throop:
If you substitute venus for earth, it'd show up in the shot.
Even if you move earth far away, it'd still show up, until it's so far
away its light is falling on less than a single grain of the photograph;
but as long as its idealized image is at least a single grain big, that
grain would still be exposed.

Instead, we see a somewhat naked guano island like reflective
environment, for as far as the human and unfiltered Kodak eyes could
see, in places having a thin and naturally terrestrial clumping 50/50
dusting of portland cement and cornmeal that was entirely xenon lamp
spectrum illuminated (meaning w/o UV), whereas instead of their having
to deal with whatever the raw and nearly point source of the extremely
contrasty solar spectrum should have had to offer, along with such raw
influx having unavoidably shared absolute extra loads worth of the
near-UV and UV-a energy. Therefore, there's absolutely nothing of such
hocus-pocus artificial content within such bogus images, or otherwise of
mission associated content, that's worth a freaking hoot, much less a
scientific hoot.

Of course there's many other iffy if not downright naysay worthy
fly-by-rocket and still unproven lunar lander factors that simply do not
add up to what those pesky regular laws of physics and of replicated
science and of otherwise proven lander technology has to say.

Sorry that the likes of "Wayne Throop", "rick_so" and myself as your
pesky historical revisionist team, and otherwise truth telling
messengers from hell, must continually **** on your silly hocus-pocus
parade.
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Brad Guth

Of a similar topic that's worthy of open disclosu
Velikovsky/Neocatastrophism Sources / banished from Mailgate

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.o...a52739c889bcc2

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If our moon remains as officially taboo/nondisclosure, then what?

Are we going to nuke the likes of China for their attempting to take
command of our moon's L1?

Are we going to ABL anything in sight, that's within its 100 MW laser
cannon's IR range?
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