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Old July 7th 06, 10:41 PM posted to sci.space.station,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,alt.astronomy
Jim Oberg[_1_]
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Default MSNBC (JimO) on value of 'big door' on ISS

Space station benefits from a wide opening

As Discovery's crew delivers cargo, big doorways make the job easier

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13755857/

By James Oberg, NBC News space analyst // Special to MSNBC

July 7, 2006

HOUSTON - Anybody on Earth who's ever moved into a new apartment and
jammed a sofa into a too-narrow doorway appreciates the value of having a
passageway that's big enough for your stuff. And that goes double in space,
where the option of going outside and looking for another entrance isn't
practical.

Aboard the international space station, astronauts are now unloading
several tons of supplies and equipment from the Leonardo cargo module, which
was brought up on the space shuttle Discovery. They're also transferring a
year's worth of trash and recyclable equipment into the module's vacated
slots.

In the process, they're using a particular element of the space station
that usually gets overlooked amid all the attention to more sexy features
such as solar panels, air locks and oxygen generators. It's called the
"hatch," and it just doesn't get any respect - despite the fact that its
4-foot-plus width gives the international space station capabilities that
are unprecedented in 30 years of orbital operations, going back to NASA's
Skylab and Russia's earliest outposts.


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Old July 7th 06, 11:22 PM posted to sci.space.station,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,alt.astronomy
Vandar
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Default MSNBC (JimO) on value of 'big door' on ISS

Jim Oberg wrote:

Space station benefits from a wide opening

As Discovery's crew delivers cargo, big doorways make the job easier

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13755857/

By James Oberg, NBC News space analyst // Special to MSNBC

July 7, 2006

HOUSTON - Anybody on Earth who's ever moved into a new apartment and
jammed a sofa into a too-narrow doorway appreciates the value of having a
passageway that's big enough for your stuff. And that goes double in space,
where the option of going outside and looking for another entrance isn't
practical.

Aboard the international space station, astronauts are now unloading
several tons of supplies and equipment from the Leonardo cargo module, which
was brought up on the space shuttle Discovery. They're also transferring a
year's worth of trash and recyclable equipment into the module's vacated
slots.

In the process, they're using a particular element of the space station
that usually gets overlooked amid all the attention to more sexy features
such as solar panels, air locks and oxygen generators. It's called the
"hatch," and it just doesn't get any respect - despite the fact that its
4-foot-plus width gives the international space station capabilities that
are unprecedented in 30 years of orbital operations, going back to NASA's
Skylab and Russia's earliest outposts.


What was the width of the hatch then? Did running into a problem with it
cause them to enlarge it?
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Old July 8th 06, 12:58 AM posted to sci.space.station,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,alt.astronomy
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Default MSNBC (JimO) on value of 'big door' on ISS


Vandar wrote:
Jim Oberg wrote:

Space station benefits from a wide opening


What was the width of the hatch then? Did running into a problem with it
cause them to enlarge it?



Should make it easier when the large, plasma HDTV arrives.

;-)

Rusty

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Old July 8th 06, 02:36 AM posted to sci.space.station,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,alt.astronomy
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"Vandar" wrote in message
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Jim Oberg wrote:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13755857/

In the process, they're using a particular element of the space

station
that usually gets overlooked amid all the attention to more sexy

features
such as solar panels, air locks and oxygen generators. It's called the
"hatch," and it just doesn't get any respect - despite the fact that its
4-foot-plus width gives the international space station capabilities

that
are unprecedented in 30 years of orbital operations, going back to

NASA's
Skylab and Russia's earliest outposts.


What was the width of the hatch then? Did running into a problem with it
cause them to enlarge it?


29 inches on Skylab (the size of the Apollo docking tunnel).

Didn't really give problems back then since Skylab was launched with
everything aboard.

But they knew for ISS they'd need to move bigger things in and out. Note
the above is only an excerpt.

Read the entire URL for details.



Btw, nice little article Jim.



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Old July 8th 06, 02:49 AM posted to sci.space.station,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,alt.astronomy
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Default MSNBC (JimO) on value of 'big door' on ISS

Btw, nice little article Jim.

True.

Although as I understand it, the main reason why the 80 cm and 107 cm
docking tunnels have been so slow to die is that the larger hatches
add to the mass (well, the 130 cm CBM hatch doesn't do docking but
even as for 80 vs 107, the latter has not replaced the former).
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Old July 8th 06, 01:09 PM posted to sci.space.station,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,alt.astronomy
Jim Oberg[_1_]
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Default MSNBC (JimO) on value of 'big door' on ISS

thanks -- i'm getting some good feedback off-line too,
all helpful if (when) it becomes a book chapter!!



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Old July 8th 06, 03:19 AM posted to sci.space.station,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,alt.astronomy
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Default MSNBC (JimO) on value of 'big door' on ISS

Vandar wrote:
What was the width of the hatch then? Did running into a problem with it
cause them to enlarge it?



The CBM was designed from the experience on MIR where the smaller
russian hatches made it very hard to load and unload large components.
The CBM hatch was designed to be wide enough to allow transfer of whole
racks. This means that when an experiemnt has concluded, they can now
return the whole rack to earth and not clutter the station.

Once shuttle is retired, this will no longer be possible and many items
currently loaded onto the ISS via the CBM hatches will have no way to be
unloaded from the station without some serious disassenbly/breaking up
into smaller parts. So I guess they will have to send some acétylene
torches to the ISS so they can break up components so they can fit
through the smaller russian hatches.
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Old July 8th 06, 04:51 AM posted to sci.space.station,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,alt.astronomy
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On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:19:15 -0400, John Doe wrote:


Once shuttle is retired, this will no longer be possible and many items
currently loaded onto the ISS via the CBM hatches will have no way to be
unloaded from the station without some serious disassenbly/breaking up
into smaller parts. So I guess they will have to send some acétylene
torches to the ISS so they can break up components so they can fit
through the smaller russian hatches.


Not so.

CxV...

"http://www.transformspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=projects.view&workid=CCD3097A-96B6-175C-97F15F270F2B83AA"

Note the square CBM hatch in the illustration.

Apex...

http://www.spacehab.com/sfs/apex.htm

Note the square CBM hatch in the illustration.


HTV...

http://www.nasda.go.jp/projects/rock...#configuration

Note the square CBM hatch in the illustration.

SpaceX Dragon...

http://images.spaceref.com/news/2006...ISS.Asm6.m.jpg

Note where it's berthed.



Brian
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Old July 8th 06, 12:58 PM posted to sci.space.station,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,alt.astronomy
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Brian Thorn wrote:


CxV...

"http://www.transformspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=projects.view&workid=CCD3097A-96B6-175C-97F15F270F2B83AA"

Note the square CBM hatch in the illustration.



What exactly are those two spacecraft in the background supposed to be?
They look like vastly scaled-up Atlas ICBM warheads with hatches on the
back.

Pat
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Old July 8th 06, 03:57 PM posted to sci.space.station,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,alt.astronomy
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 06:58:44 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

"http://www.transformspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=projects.view&workid=CCD3097A-96B6-175C-97F15F270F2B83AA"


What exactly are those two spacecraft in the background supposed to be?
They look like vastly scaled-up Atlas ICBM warheads with hatches on the
back.


I think those are the cargo version. Crew version is the one with the
solar panels.

Brian

 




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