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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:19:46 GMT, Bookman wrote:

another blank post

http://peaceinspace.com wrote:

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:54:17 -0500, "honestjohn"
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Art Deco wrote:
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:39:08 GMT, "http://peaceinspace.com"

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On 22 Apr 2006 12:58:57 -0700, "Warhol" wrote:

A reminder to myself from Jesus of Nazareth

Empty reminder, eh?

Smile, yer on candid camera!

http://www.geocities.com/pythoninsan...feofBrian.html

the miraculous lives of the Judean Saviors, Christ, Alcides, Osiris,
Tulis, etc. In this it will be observed the Egyptian Gods are
reported,
as remotely as 900 B.C., as performing, besides several of the
miraculous achievements, other miracles equally indicative of divine
power, such as converting water into wine, causing "fire to descend
from heaven," raising the dead to life, in works portraying the
miraculous achievements of the Gods, the relation being given in such
specific detail in some cases that the names of the reanimated dead
are
furnished. Tyndarus and Hypolitus were instances of this kind, both
(according to Julius) having been raised from the dead. Descending the
line of history, until we arrive at the confines of Grecian theology,
we find here the same train of marvelous events recorded in the
histories of their virgin-born Gods... because jesus was not yett born
.. The true history of jesus is that he still must be born... right it
were the Oracle that told the story of the Life Jesus... and the
oracle
tells the future... so Brain must still do the actions and meet the
three wiseman...

Delusional pap spewed from the twisted mind of a holocaust denier.

--

Ho ho ho and you are a twisted truth denier... Right vermin as you have
a lot blood on their hands... You rats have put mudd on the eyes of
many good sheep.. But I dont worry, My father in the heaven shall give
me the force to frree my Beloved people... and you Rat.. ugh Art shall
walk the plank for Crimes against Humankind... and that the Moorish
Catwalk....YOU STUPID TWISTED TRUTH DENIER..

Thanks for the death threat, fake messiah.

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Someone needs to inform Decklehead that the British have been absolved of
their sins in creating a false messiah since Monty Python rewrote the bible.

Hi, Alexa! How the screed biz these days?

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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:52:11 -0600, Art Deco
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Hi, Alexa! How the screed biz these days?

HEIL JACOB ROTHSCHILD

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:25:02 -0500, Kali wrote:

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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:52:11 -0600, Art Deco
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Hi, Alexa! How the screed biz these days?

HEIL JACOB ROTHSCHILD

HEIL ALEXA

Kali

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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:29:22 -0500, Kali wrote:

In article , posted
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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:25:02 -0500, Kali wrote:

In article , posted
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:58:15 GMT, http://peaceinspace.com
says...

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:52:11 -0600, Art Deco
wrote:

Hi, Alexa! How the screed biz these days?

HEIL JACOB ROTHSCHILD

HEIL ALEXA

Kali

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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:42:34 -0500, Kali wrote:

WE ARE ALL BLUE RESONANT HUMAN.

No only the Navy and the CIA.

Psychotic psychopaths.

Have you eaten your Iraqi today?

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:43:56 GMT, "http://peaceinspace.com"
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:42:34 -0500, Kali wrote:

WE ARE ALL BLUE RESONANT HUMAN.

No only the Navy and the CIA.

Psychotic psychopaths.

Have you eaten your Iraqi today?

How Jacob Rothschild launders drug money and why the CIA is loyal to
Rothschild:

CIA sells the drugs, the bankers launder the money and the CIA invests the
money through stock market in order to buy up corporations.

The CIA's Wall Street connections
Transcript of interview with Michael C. Ruppert

Guns and Butter, The Economy Watch with Kellia Ramares and Bonnie Faulkner
Aired on KPFA 94.1 FM, Berkeley, CA Friday, October 12, 2001


Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), Montréal, globalresearch.ca 3
November 2001


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FAULKNER: On September 29, The San Francisco Chronicle reported that
investors had yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made in
trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept 11 terrorist
attacks. The uncollected money raises suspicions that the unidentified
investors had advance knowledge of the attacks.

The Securities and Exchange Commission is investigating high levels of short
sales and purchases of "put" options, on the stocks of United Airlines and
American Airlines in the three business days before the attacks. Short sales
and put options are bets that a stock will fall in price.

Meanwhile, the Interdisciplinary Center, a counter-terrorism think tank
headed by former Israeli intelligence officers, has issued a report on Osama
bin Laden's finances, saying insiders profited by nearly $16 million dollars
on transactions involving the two airlines and the investment banking firm
Morgan Stanley, which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center. And that
report excluded other unusual trading activity involving insurance companies
with significant exposure to damage claims resulting from the attacks.

Joining us by phone from Southern California is Michael C. Ruppert.

Ruppert is a former Los Angeles Police Department field officer and
narcotics investigator whom the CIA twice tried to recruit.

In the course of investigations in the mid 1970s, he came across information
the CIA was trading drugs in order to fund covert operations. He was forced
out of the LAPD in November 1978 after being shot at and threatened for
speaking out about CIA drug activity.

At a Town Hall meeting on November 15, 1996, Ruppert publicly confronted
then-CIA director John Deutsch with information about three specific CIA
drug operations. The confrontation led to an invitation to appear before the
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, where he spoke and presented
written evidence concerning the CIA's infiltration of and illegal
relationships with a number of police departments throughout the country.

Michael Ruppert publishes "From The Wilderness," a magazine which deals with
the effects of illegal covert operations on our society.

He's here today to discuss his latest article for that magazine

about the CIA's knowledge of, and connections to, the suspect trading that
occurred in the days prior to the attacks on the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon.

Michael Ruppert, welcome to "Guns and Butter: The Economy Watch."

RUPPERT: Good to be here.

FAULKNER: Good to have you. Do you think the CIA had advance knowledge of
the attacks? Did they know a specific attack was coming?

RUPPERT: I am absolutely convinced that the Central Intelligence Agency had
complete and perfect foreknowledge of the attacks, down to date, time place
and location, yes.

FAULKNER: Tell us how the CIA monitors the stock market.

RUPPERT: Well, I have written several stories about this over the years. One
of the primary functions of the Central Intelligence Agency by virtue of its
long and very close history of relationships with Wall Street, I mean to the
point where the current executive vice president of the New York Stock
Exchange is a retired CIA general counsel, has had a mandate to track,
monitor, all financial markets worldwide, to look for anomalous trades,
indicative of either economic warfare, or insider currency trading or
speculation which might affect the US Treasury, or , as in the case of the
September 11 attacks, to look for trades which indicated foreknowledge of
attacks like we saw.

One of the vehicles that they use to do this is a software called Promis
software, which was developed in the 1980s, actually 1979, by Bill Hamilton
and a firm called INSLAW, in [the] Washington D.C. area. And Promis is very
unique for two reasons: first of all, it had the ability to integrate a wide
range of databases using different computer languages and to make them all
into one readable format. And secondly, in the years since, Promis has been
mated with artificial intelligence to even predict moves in markets and to
detect trades that are anomalous, as a result of those projections.

So, as recently as last year, I met with members of the RCMP [Royal Canadian
Mounted Police] national security staff, who came down to Los Angeles where
I am, who are investigating stolen applications of Promis software and its
applications, and we reconfirmed at that time that, not only the US, but
Israel, Canada, and many other countries use Promis-like software to track
real-time trades in the stock markets to warn them of these events.

RAMARES: Kellia Ramares here. Mike, is it possible that the terrorists could
have gotten hold of this software?

RUPPERT: Uh, no, it's, well, it is and it isn't. The key piece of evidence
around September 11 is not that the software would have had any impact. The
key evidence, as I heard you describing, was the trades themselves, the
so-called put options and the short selling of American Airlines, United
Airlines, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, and a couple of reinsurance
companies in Europe, which are just really off the maps. You wouldn't need
software to look at these trades and say, "Oh my God, this is directly
connected to World Trade Center."

RAMARES: OK, but hindsight is 20/20. United Airlines had a lot of trouble
last year: labor disputes, lots of cancellations. We were on a verge of a
recession going into the attacks and Morgan Stanley's an investment banking
firm. Some day traders could have seen some activity and joined the party
entirely innocently. How can you make a prediction of an attack?

RUPPERT: Herzliyah, International Policy Institute in Israel which tracks
counter-terrorism, also tracks financial trading. That's a clear cut sign
about how closely the two are related. And their reports are very clear that
between September 6 and 7 the Chicago Board Options Exchange, CBOE, saw
purchases of 4,744 put options on UAL, but only 396 call options. On
September 10, the day before the attacks, 4,516 put options were placed on
American Airlines, against only 748 calls, calls being bets that the stock
will go up, puts being that the stock will go down. No similar trading in
any other airlines occurred on the Chicago Exchange in the days immediately
preceding Black Tuesday. That means that someone had advance knowledge that
only the stocks of these two airlines would be adversely impacted. Had it
just been an industry-wide slump, then you would have seen the same kind of
activity on every airline, not just these two. But what is also very
anomalous, very out of whack here, is the fact that the number of put
options placed, that the level of these trades was up by 1,200 percent in
the three days prior to the World Trade Center attacks.

RAMARES: Give us a brief overview, really, of the connections between the
CIA and the banking and investment community. Your article suggests there is
a revolving door between Wall Street and the CIA.

RUPPERT: Oh, indeed there is. First of all, it's very important to note
right up front that European investigators, who are tracking trades in the
insurance companies, as well as the Israeli institute, have disclosed that
the UAL put options were primarily held by Deutsche Bank-A.B. Brown. And its
very important to note that the current Number Three at CIA, the Executive
Director, a man by the name of A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard, was, until 1998, the
chairman of A.B. Brown. The company went from being owned by Banker's Trust
to being owned by Deutsche Bank. But this is a man effectively running CIA,
who came from the bank that handled the trades.

Historically speaking, we go back to 1947, we look at Clark Clifford, who
wrote the National Security Act, in 1947. He was a Wall Street banker, and a
lawyer from Wall Street. He was the chairman of First American Bancshares
that brought BCCI onto US shores in the late 1980s. He was given the design
for the CIA by John Foster and Allen Dulles, two brothers: John Foster
becoming Secretary of State, Allen becoming director of Central
Intelligence, who was fired by John Kennedy. They were partners in what is
until this day the most powerful law firm on Wall Street: Sullivan Cromwell.
Bill Casey, the legendary CIA director from the Reagan/Iran Contra years,
had been chairman of the Securities and Exchange commission under Ronald
Reagan. He, in fact, was a Wall Street lawyer and a stockbroker.

I've already mentioned Dave Doherty, the Vice President of NYSE [New York
Stock Exchange] who is the retired CIA general counsel.

George Herbert Walker Bush is now a paid consultant to the Carlyle Group,
the 11'th largest defense contractor in the nation, very influential on Wall
Street. "Buzzy" Krongard is there. John Deutsch, the former CIA director,
who retired a couple of years ago, a few years ago, is now on the board of
Citibanc or Citigroup. And his number three, Nora Slatkin, the Executive
Director at CIA is also at Citigroup. And Maurice "Hank" Greenburg, who is
the chairman of AIG insurance, which is the third largest investment pool of
capital in the world, was up to be the CIA director in 1995 and Bill Clinton
declined to nominate him. So there is an inextricable and unavoidable
relationship between CIA and Wall Street.

FAULKNER: Michael Ruppert, this is Bonnie Faulkner. Does the CIA itself
invest in the stock market?

RUPPERT: That's unknown. What is known, and what was disclosed by hearings
chaired by Senator Frank Church in 1976, is that the CIA was known and
proven in the Congressional Record to operate proprietary companies, some of
which do trade their stock on Wall Street. One of these, Southern Air
Transport, excuse me, was at it during the Iran Contra years. There are
others: Evergreen Air, which may or may not be a proprietary, but has strong
CIA connections; there are tons of these companies out there. It's not known
if CIA manipulates markets, although I really believe that they do.

FAULKNER: Is the CIA's budget public knowledge?

RUPPERT: No. By law. Under the National Security Act of 1947 the CIA's
budget is hidden in the budgets of all the other departments of government.
We've never been able to pin down, because it's a secret, exactly how much
money CIA gets. But the best estimates available, and these are from very
good sources, are that it's around 30 billion dollars a year.

FAULKNER: So I'm assuming then that no one knows where they keep their
budget. I mean, do they keep it in the bank drawing interest?

I guess we don't know.

RUPPERT: Well, no, the way it would work under the NSA, National Security
Act, is that if the budget is $30 billion , $10 billion may be in the
Department of Defense, five in the Department of Justice, three in US
Treasury. That's how they hide the funds.

RAMARES: Michael, Kellia Ramares again. You've laid out a scenario which
would suggest that the CIA is so involved in Wall Street, they knew these
trades were happening; they knew why. Why would the CIA let such a
horrendous thing happen if they knew about it?

All the loss of life, all the economic damage that we led off our show with
that's going to happen to everyday people, state and local governments,
small investors, businesses. Why did they let it happen if they knew?

RUPPERT: Well, first of all, let's look at history. I'm a great addict of
the History Channel and all this year on "The Secrets of World War II," one
of their series, they have run maybe three, four, five times, a documentary
showing clearly that Franklin Roosevelt had absolute knowledge that the
Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor on December the seventh. Navy had
broken the codes. That information was made Top Secret. And Roosevelt
allowed the attacks to happen with the express purpose of bringing the US
into World War II. So there is historical precedent for this. What I have
been writing in "From the Wilderness" for more than two years, and we've
been publishing four years now, was of huge economic inconsistencies,
bubbles that were about to burst, about a pending collapse of the US economy
that was going to happen anyway.

Just two days before the attacks, I sent a bulletin to my subscribers saying
there's a monstrous derivatives bubble, to the tune of about 20 trillion
dollars that's about to burst. The price of gold has been manipulated, and
the stock market's ready to crash. And in fact, we had seen the Dow drop by
almost 900 points in the three weeks prior to the attack. So, in point of
fact, the economic crash was going to happen anyway. As a result of the
attacks, now there are two benefits for the government: Number One, there is
a convenient enemy upon whom to place the blame for the economic crash. And
second, the legislation passed by Congress has unleashed a torrent of short
term, and what are going to be extremely expensive, solutions which are
keeping the US economic bubble inflated. This incentive: now it's about 100
billion dollars so far I believe, between 40 for the military and another 60
in tax cuts, is robbing Peter to pay Paul. And I am absolutely convinced
that Social Security is toast and this was their way to get their foot in
the door on that.

RAMARES: Yes, but what about their plans to privatize Social Security? I
don't want my retirement in the stock market after what you've said and even
what I saw before.

RUPPERT: I sure don't either. You have to remember that the current Bush
administration is a reincarnation of the administration we saw during
Iran-Contra, and during the years of President Bush's presidency from '89 to
'93. These are the people who brought us the savings and loan crisis, which
took $500 billion dollars out of US taxpayer pockets. These guys know how to
loot an economy.

There are very credible, well-documented stories from GAO [General
Accounting Office] that have been written even in the Washington Times [a
very conservative newspaper] showing that the Department of Defense has, and
this is the right word, has lost more than three trillion dollars in the
last two years. That money is not lost; it's been stolen.

More than 59 billion dollars has been taken out of HUD [US Department of
Housing and Urban Development]. There are monstrous economic costs which are
going to fall on the American taxpayer. But they will not fall on the
administration or its allies on Wall Street.

RAMARES: Speaking of Wall Street, it doesn't feel like it's a level playing
field for the small investor, the person who has their kid's college fund in
something in Wall Street to try to make it grow.

RUPPERT: No. It absolutely is not. In 1929, some 15 percent of all the stock
in circulation was owned by households. In 2001, 75 percent of the stock in
circulation was owned by households. That tells you who's carrying the
burden.

If you look at some of the market activity in recent years, for example, two
years ago, Goldman Sachs went public. And that means that households bought
their stock but Goldman Sachs took the money and cashed out. There has been
a strong trend in the movement of money by the very rich offshore, out of
the country, into safe havens, so that when the bubble does break, it'll be
the taxpayer holding the bag.

RAMARES: Is Congress knocking on your door to look more into this? Are we
going to see congressional hearings into possible knowledge of the CIA of
the attacks? I mean we're talking about they let mass murder happen.

RUPPERT: Yes . . . I have spoken confidentially to two members of the House
of Representatives. And I have to tell you that my take on their view, and
these are members who I consider to be allies and very progressive and
awake: they're basically frightened. The climate is one of near hysteria.
There is an overwhelming attitude in the general public of wave the flag and
kill the bad guys. And it's not politically wise, I guess, in their
viewpoint, to risk their careers by raising questions. But some of them have
to and some of them must.

Everyday, there are more and more holes in all of the stories surrounding
September 11, and this avoids people from looking at a broader agenda in
Central Asia, which has to do with the drug trade and the oil. Bear in mind
that Senator Carl Levin (D-Mich.) has documented that 300 billion dollars a
year in drug money moves through the US banking system. And that was in a
minority report to the Senate Banking Committee released this February, I
believe it was. But that money is now an integral component to sustaining
the bubble. And that's why we're seeing CIA operatives moving willy-nilly
into Uzbekistan, to give us immediately another Laos, just like we had in
the Vietnam era with Air America planes flying with tons of heroin to
markets in the US and Western Europe. And that's what's coming out of this.
Also, there's a huge grab for oil and a major pipeline to run from
Uzbekistan down to the Pakistani coast, which will weaken Russia's grip on
the region. And I believe, long term, the economic motive is to Balkanize
Russia. But members of Congress now faced with this are kind of overwhelmed.
There have been a few voices speaking up here and there to oppose civil
rights legislation that was punitive, to address issues of the war-making
powers. But Congress needs to find its legs and its lungs real quickly.

FAULKNER: Michael Ruppert, this is Bonnie Faulkner. We have one minute left.
You've mentioned when the bubble is going to burst.

A lot of people think that the bubble has already burst . . .

RUPPERT: Oh no.

FAULKNER: What do you expect to see?

RUPPERT: I was already predicting that the Dow would be at 8,000 or below by
the end of October. Now the . .

.. who knows what the short-term impacts of all of the money that's being
poured out of the Treasury are going to have. But bear in mind there is
still a huge bubble. According to Russian economists a - I was in Russia in
March - there's 300 trillion dollars in derivatives waiting to pop. Now what
that means is one more good terrorist attack and we could really understand
what a bubble is.

RAMARES: And the FBI has said watch out for terrorist attacks in the next
few days and the CIA says that we're at 100 percent risk of terrorist
attacks. Give us your web site and little bit about your magazine for those
who might be interested in learning more.

RUPPERT: OK, the web site is www dot cop v like in Victor CIA dot com.
Copvcia.com. "From the Wilderness" is a newsletter we publish 11 times a
year. We're read in 17 countries, by 16 members of the US Congress,
including the Intelligence Committees of both houses, as well as by
professors at 11 universities in the US and Canada.

It's a monthly subscriber. The web site is free; the subscribers get a
little more information and a little newer. But we take great pride in the
fact that we document everything that we publish so we don't ask anybody to
take anything on faith.

RAMARES: OK, Thank you very much for joining us. You have been listening to
Michael C. Ruppert, publisher of "From the Wilderness" magazine and author
of an article on the CIA, the stock market and the terrorist attacks. Again
his web site is www.copvcia.com. Again, thank you for joining us.

RUPPERT: My pleasure.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Michael Ruppert, a former LAPD narcotics investigator and intelligence
expert is the Editor of "From the Wilderness", a specialised monthly,
subscriber newsletter is a frequent CRG contributor. The FTW web site is at
www.copvcia.com.

Copyright 2001. All Rights reserved. FTW Publications, www.copvcia.com. May
Be Reprinted for Non-Profit Purposes only.

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:51:34 -0500, Kali wrote:

In article , posted
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:43:56 GMT, http://peaceinspace.com
says...

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:42:34 -0500, Kali wrote:

WE ARE ALL BLUE RESONANT HUMAN.

No only the Navy and the CIA.

Do you think they get paid to post to Usenet, Sniplexa?

Psychotic psychopaths.

Have you eaten your Iraqi today?

Why on earth would you ask me if I ate a country?

(I did have some yummy spinach pizza earlier)

Did you have anything besides tequila today, hua?



How Jacob Rothschild launders drug money and why the CIA is loyal to
Rothschild:

CIA sells the drugs, the bankers launder the money and the CIA invests the
money through stock market in order to buy up corporations.

The CIA's Wall Street connections
Transcript of interview with Michael C. Ruppert

Guns and Butter, The Economy Watch with Kellia Ramares and Bonnie Faulkner
Aired on KPFA 94.1 FM, Berkeley, CA Friday, October 12, 2001


Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), Montréal, globalresearch.ca 3
November 2001


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FAULKNER: On September 29, The San Francisco Chronicle reported that
investors had yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made in
trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept 11 terrorist
attacks. The uncollected money raises suspicions that the unidentified
investors had advance knowledge of the attacks.

The Securities and Exchange Commission is investigating high levels of short
sales and purchases of "put" options, on the stocks of United Airlines and
American Airlines in the three business days before the attacks. Short sales
and put options are bets that a stock will fall in price.

Meanwhile, the Interdisciplinary Center, a counter-terrorism think tank
headed by former Israeli intelligence officers, has issued a report on Osama
bin Laden's finances, saying insiders profited by nearly $16 million dollars
on transactions involving the two airlines and the investment banking firm
Morgan Stanley, which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center. And that
report excluded other unusual trading activity involving insurance companies
with significant exposure to damage claims resulting from the attacks.

Joining us by phone from Southern California is Michael C. Ruppert.

Ruppert is a former Los Angeles Police Department field officer and
narcotics investigator whom the CIA twice tried to recruit.

In the course of investigations in the mid 1970s, he came across information
the CIA was trading drugs in order to fund covert operations. He was forced
out of the LAPD in November 1978 after being shot at and threatened for
speaking out about CIA drug activity.

At a Town Hall meeting on November 15, 1996, Ruppert publicly confronted
then-CIA director John Deutsch with information about three specific CIA
drug operations. The confrontation led to an invitation to appear before the
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, where he spoke and presented
written evidence concerning the CIA's infiltration of and illegal
relationships with a number of police departments throughout the country.

Michael Ruppert publishes "From The Wilderness," a magazine which deals with
the effects of illegal covert operations on our society.

He's here today to discuss his latest article for that magazine

about the CIA's knowledge of, and connections to, the suspect trading that
occurred in the days prior to the attacks on the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon.

Michael Ruppert, welcome to "Guns and Butter: The Economy Watch."

RUPPERT: Good to be here.

FAULKNER: Good to have you. Do you think the CIA had advance knowledge of
the attacks? Did they know a specific attack was coming?

RUPPERT: I am absolutely convinced that the Central Intelligence Agency had
complete and perfect foreknowledge of the attacks, down to date, time place
and location, yes.

FAULKNER: Tell us how the CIA monitors the stock market.

RUPPERT: Well, I have written several stories about this over the years. One
of the primary functions of the Central Intelligence Agency by virtue of its
long and very close history of relationships with Wall Street, I mean to the
point where the current executive vice president of the New York Stock
Exchange is a retired CIA general counsel, has had a mandate to track,
monitor, all financial markets worldwide, to look for anomalous trades,
indicative of either economic warfare, or insider currency trading or
speculation which might affect the US Treasury, or , as in the case of the
September 11 attacks, to look for trades which indicated foreknowledge of
attacks like we saw.

One of the vehicles that they use to do this is a software called Promis
software, which was developed in the 1980s, actually 1979, by Bill Hamilton
and a firm called INSLAW, in [the] Washington D.C. area. And Promis is very
unique for two reasons: first of all, it had the ability to integrate a wide
range of databases using different computer languages and to make them all
into one readable format. And secondly, in the years since, Promis has been
mated with artificial intelligence to even predict moves in markets and to
detect trades that are anomalous, as a result of those projections.

So, as recently as last year, I met with members of the RCMP [Royal Canadian
Mounted Police] national security staff, who came down to Los Angeles where
I am, who are investigating stolen applications of Promis software and its
applications, and we reconfirmed at that time that, not only the US, but
Israel, Canada, and many other countries use Promis-like software to track
real-time trades in the stock markets to warn them of these events.

RAMARES: Kellia Ramares here. Mike, is it possible that the terrorists could
have gotten hold of this software?

RUPPERT: Uh, no, it's, well, it is and it isn't. The key piece of evidence
around September 11 is not that the software would have had any impact. The
key evidence, as I heard you describing, was the trades themselves, the
so-called put options and the short selling of American Airlines, United
Airlines, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, and a couple of reinsurance
companies in Europe, which are just really off the maps. You wouldn't need
software to look at these trades and say, "Oh my God, this is directly
connected to World Trade Center."

RAMARES: OK, but hindsight is 20/20. United Airlines had a lot of trouble
last year: labor disputes, lots of cancellations. We were on a verge of a
recession going into the attacks and Morgan Stanley's an investment banking
firm. Some day traders could have seen some activity and joined the party
entirely innocently. How can you make a prediction of an attack?

RUPPERT: Herzliyah, International Policy Institute in Israel which tracks
counter-terrorism, also tracks financial trading. That's a clear cut sign
about how closely the two are related. And their reports are very clear that
between September 6 and 7 the Chicago Board Options Exchange, CBOE, saw
purchases of 4,744 put options on UAL, but only 396 call options. On
September 10, the day before the attacks, 4,516 put options were placed on
American Airlines, against only 748 calls, calls being bets that the stock
will go up, puts being that the stock will go down. No similar trading in
any other airlines occurred on the Chicago Exchange in the days immediately
preceding Black Tuesday. That means that someone had advance knowledge that
only the stocks of these two airlines would be adversely impacted. Had it
just been an industry-wide slump, then you would have seen the same kind of
activity on every airline, not just these two. But what is also very
anomalous, very out of whack here, is the fact that the number of put
options placed, that the level of these trades was up by 1,200 percent in
the three days prior to the World Trade Center attacks.

RAMARES: Give us a brief overview, really, of the connections between the
CIA and the banking and investment community. Your article suggests there is
a revolving door between Wall Street and the CIA.

RUPPERT: Oh, indeed there is. First of all, it's very important to note
right up front that European investigators, who are tracking trades in the
insurance companies, as well as the Israeli institute, have disclosed that
the UAL put options were primarily held by Deutsche Bank-A.B. Brown. And its
very important to note that the current Number Three at CIA, the Executive
Director, a man by the name of A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard, was, until 1998, the
chairman of A.B. Brown. The company went from being owned by Banker's Trust
to being owned by Deutsche Bank. But this is a man effectively running CIA,
who came from the bank that handled the trades.

Historically speaking, we go back to 1947, we look at Clark Clifford, who
wrote the National Security Act, in 1947. He was a Wall Street banker, and a
lawyer from Wall Street. He was the chairman of First American Bancshares
that brought BCCI onto US shores in the late 1980s. He was given the design
for the CIA by John Foster and Allen Dulles, two brothers: John Foster
becoming Secretary of State, Allen becoming director of Central
Intelligence, who was fired by John Kennedy. They were partners in what is
until this day the most powerful law firm on Wall Street: Sullivan Cromwell.
Bill Casey, the legendary CIA director from the Reagan/Iran Contra years,
had been chairman of the Securities and Exchange commission under Ronald
Reagan. He, in fact, was a Wall Street lawyer and a stockbroker.

I've already mentioned Dave Doherty, the Vice President of NYSE [New York
Stock Exchange] who is the retired CIA general counsel.

George Herbert Walker Bush is now a paid consultant to the Carlyle Group,
the 11'th largest defense contractor in the nation, very influential on Wall
Street. "Buzzy" Krongard is there. John Deutsch, the former CIA director,
who retired a couple of years ago, a few years ago, is now on the board of
Citibanc or Citigroup. And his number three, Nora Slatkin, the Executive
Director at CIA is also at Citigroup. And Maurice "Hank" Greenburg, who is
the chairman of AIG insurance, which is the third largest investment pool of
capital in the world, was up to be the CIA director in 1995 and Bill Clinton
declined to nominate him. So there is an inextricable and unavoidable
relationship between CIA and Wall Street.

FAULKNER: Michael Ruppert, this is Bonnie Faulkner. Does the CIA itself
invest in the stock market?

RUPPERT: That's unknown. What is known, and what was disclosed by hearings
chaired by Senator Frank Church in 1976, is that the CIA was known and
proven in the Congressional Record to operate proprietary companies, some of
which do trade their stock on Wall Street. One of these, Southern Air
Transport, excuse me, was at it during the Iran Contra years. There are
others: Evergreen Air, which may or may not be a proprietary, but has strong
CIA connections; there are tons of these companies out there. It's not known
if CIA manipulates markets, although I really believe that they do.

FAULKNER: Is the CIA's budget public knowledge?

RUPPERT: No. By law. Under the National Security Act of 1947 the CIA's
budget is hidden in the budgets of all the other departments of government.
We've never been able to pin down, because it's a secret, exactly how much
money CIA gets. But the best estimates available, and these are from very
good sources, are that it's around 30 billion dollars a year.

FAULKNER: So I'm assuming then that no one knows where they keep their
budget. I mean, do they keep it in the bank drawing interest?

I guess we don't know.

RUPPERT: Well, no, the way it would work under the NSA, National Security
Act, is that if the budget is $30 billion , $10 billion may be in the
Department of Defense, five in the Department of Justice, three in US
Treasury. That's how they hide the funds.

RAMARES: Michael, Kellia Ramares again. You've laid out a scenario which
would suggest that the CIA is so involved in Wall Street, they knew these
trades were happening; they knew why. Why would the CIA let such a
horrendous thing happen if they knew about it?

All the loss of life, all the economic damage that we led off our show with
that's going to happen to everyday people, state and local governments,
small investors, businesses. Why did they let it happen if they knew?

RUPPERT: Well, first of all, let's look at history. I'm a great addict of
the History Channel and all this year on "The Secrets of World War II," one
of their series, they have run maybe three, four, five times, a documentary
showing clearly that Franklin Roosevelt had absolute knowledge that the
Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor on December the seventh. Navy had
broken the codes. That information was made Top Secret. And Roosevelt
allowed the attacks to happen with the express purpose of bringing the US
into World War II. So there is historical precedent for this. What I have
been writing in "From the Wilderness" for more than two years, and we've
been publishing four years now, was of huge economic inconsistencies,
bubbles that were about to burst, about a pending collapse of the US economy
that was going to happen anyway.

Just two days before the attacks, I sent a bulletin to my subscribers saying
there's a monstrous derivatives bubble, to the tune of about 20 trillion
dollars that's about to burst. The price of gold has been manipulated, and
the stock market's ready to crash. And in fact, we had seen the Dow drop by
almost 900 points in the three weeks prior to the attack. So, in point of
fact, the economic crash was going to happen anyway. As a result of the
attacks, now there are two benefits for the government: Number One, there is
a convenient enemy upon whom to place the blame for the economic crash. And
second, the legislation passed by Congress has unleashed a torrent of short
term, and what are going to be extremely expensive, solutions which are
keeping the US economic bubble inflated. This incentive: now it's about 100
billion dollars so far I believe, between 40 for the military and another 60
in tax cuts, is robbing Peter to pay Paul. And I am absolutely convinced
that Social Security is toast and this was their way to get their foot in
the door on that.

RAMARES: Yes, but what about their plans to privatize Social Security? I
don't want my retirement in the stock market after what you've said and even
what I saw before.

RUPPERT: I sure don't either. You have to remember that the current Bush
administration is a reincarnation of the administration we saw during
Iran-Contra, and during the years of President Bush's presidency from '89 to
'93. These are the people who brought us the savings and loan crisis, which
took $500 billion dollars out of US taxpayer pockets. These guys know how to
loot an economy.

There are very credible, well-documented stories from GAO [General
Accounting Office] that have been written even in the Washington Times [a
very conservative newspaper] showing that the Department of Defense has, and
this is the right word, has lost more than three trillion dollars in the
last two years. That money is not lost; it's been stolen.

More than 59 billion dollars has been taken out of HUD [US Department of
Housing and Urban Development]. There are monstrous economic costs which are
going to fall on the American taxpayer. But they will not fall on the
administration or its allies on Wall Street.

RAMARES: Speaking of Wall Street, it doesn't feel like it's a level playing
field for the small investor, the person who has their kid's college fund in
something in Wall Street to try to make it grow.

RUPPERT: No. It absolutely is not. In 1929, some 15 percent of all the stock
in circulation was owned by households. In 2001, 75 percent of the stock in
circulation was owned by households. That tells you who's carrying the
burden.

If you look at some of the market activity in recent years, for example, two
years ago, Goldman Sachs went public. And that means that households bought
their stock but Goldman Sachs took the money and cashed out. There has been
a strong trend in the movement of money by the very rich offshore, out of
the country, into safe havens, so that when the bubble does break, it'll be
the taxpayer holding the bag.

RAMARES: Is Congress knocking on your door to look more into this? Are we
going to see congressional hearings into possible knowledge of the CIA of
the attacks? I mean we're talking about they let mass murder happen.

RUPPERT: Yes . . . I have spoken confidentially to two members of the House
of Representatives. And I have to tell you that my take on their view, and
these are members who I consider to be allies and very progressive and
awake: they're basically frightened. The climate is one of near hysteria.
There is an overwhelming attitude in the general public of wave the flag and
kill the bad guys. And it's not politically wise, I guess, in their
viewpoint, to risk their careers by raising questions. But some of them have
to and some of them must.

Everyday, there are more and more holes in all of the stories surrounding
September 11, and this avoids people from looking at a broader agenda in
Central Asia, which has to do with the drug trade and the oil. Bear in mind
that Senator Carl Levin (D-Mich.) has documented that 300 billion dollars a
year in drug money moves through the US banking system. And that was in a
minority report to the Senate Banking Committee released this February, I
believe it was. But that money is now an integral component to sustaining
the bubble. And that's why we're seeing CIA operatives moving willy-nilly
into Uzbekistan, to give us immediately another Laos, just like we had in
the Vietnam era with Air America planes flying with tons of heroin to
markets in the US and Western Europe. And that's what's coming out of this.
Also, there's a huge grab for oil and a major pipeline to run from
Uzbekistan down to the Pakistani coast, which will weaken Russia's grip on
the region. And I believe, long term, the economic motive is to Balkanize
Russia. But members of Congress now faced with this are kind of overwhelmed.
There have been a few voices speaking up here and there to oppose civil
rights legislation that was punitive, to address issues of the war-making
powers. But Congress needs to find its legs and its lungs real quickly.

FAULKNER: Michael Ruppert, this is Bonnie Faulkner. We have one minute left.
You've mentioned when the bubble is going to burst.

A lot of people think that the bubble has already burst . . .

RUPPERT: Oh no.

FAULKNER: What do you expect to see?

RUPPERT: I was already predicting that the Dow would be at 8,000 or below by
the end of October. Now the . .

.. who knows what the short-term impacts of all of the money that's being
poured out of the Treasury are going to have. But bear in mind there is
still a huge bubble. According to Russian economists a - I was in Russia in
March - there's 300 trillion dollars in derivatives waiting to pop. Now what
that means is one more good terrorist attack and we could really understand
what a bubble is.

RAMARES: And the FBI has said watch out for terrorist attacks in the next
few days and the CIA says that we're at 100 percent risk of terrorist
attacks. Give us your web site and little bit about your magazine for those
who might be interested in learning more.

RUPPERT: OK, the web site is www dot cop v like in Victor CIA dot com.
Copvcia.com. "From the Wilderness" is a newsletter we publish 11 times a
year. We're read in 17 countries, by 16 members of the US Congress,
including the Intelligence Committees of both houses, as well as by
professors at 11 universities in the US and Canada.

It's a monthly subscriber. The web site is free; the subscribers get a
little more information and a little newer. But we take great pride in the
fact that we document everything that we publish so we don't ask anybody to
take anything on faith.

RAMARES: OK, Thank you very much for joining us. You have been listening to
Michael C. Ruppert, publisher of "From the Wilderness" magazine and author
of an article on the CIA, the stock market and the terrorist attacks. Again
his web site is www.copvcia.com. Again, thank you for joining us.

RUPPERT: My pleasure.


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Michael Ruppert, a former LAPD narcotics investigator and intelligence
expert is the Editor of "From the Wilderness", a specialised monthly,
subscriber newsletter is a frequent CRG contributor. The FTW web site is at
www.copvcia.com.

Copyright 2001. All Rights reserved. FTW Publications, www.copvcia.com. May
Be Reprinted for Non-Profit Purposes only.



Kali

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:51:34 -0500, Kali wrote:

In article , posted
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:43:56 GMT, http://peaceinspace.com
says...

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:42:34 -0500, Kali wrote:

WE ARE ALL BLUE RESONANT HUMAN.

No only the Navy and the CIA.

Do you think they get paid to post to Usenet, Sniplexa?

Psychotic psychopaths.

Have you eaten your Iraqi today?

Why on earth would you ask me if I ate a country?

(I did have some yummy spinach pizza earlier)

Did you have anything besides tequila today, hua?



How Jacob Rothschild launders drug money and why the CIA is loyal to
Rothschild:

CIA sells the drugs, the bankers launder the money and the CIA invests the
money through stock market in order to buy up corporations.

The CIA's Wall Street connections
Transcript of interview with Michael C. Ruppert

Guns and Butter, The Economy Watch with Kellia Ramares and Bonnie Faulkner
Aired on KPFA 94.1 FM, Berkeley, CA Friday, October 12, 2001


Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), Montréal, globalresearch.ca 3
November 2001


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FAULKNER: On September 29, The San Francisco Chronicle reported that
investors had yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made in
trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept 11 terrorist
attacks. The uncollected money raises suspicions that the unidentified
investors had advance knowledge of the attacks.

The Securities and Exchange Commission is investigating high levels of short
sales and purchases of "put" options, on the stocks of United Airlines and
American Airlines in the three business days before the attacks. Short sales
and put options are bets that a stock will fall in price.

Meanwhile, the Interdisciplinary Center, a counter-terrorism think tank
headed by former Israeli intelligence officers, has issued a report on Osama
bin Laden's finances, saying insiders profited by nearly $16 million dollars
on transactions involving the two airlines and the investment banking firm
Morgan Stanley, which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center. And that
report excluded other unusual trading activity involving insurance companies
with significant exposure to damage claims resulting from the attacks.

Joining us by phone from Southern California is Michael C. Ruppert.

Ruppert is a former Los Angeles Police Department field officer and
narcotics investigator whom the CIA twice tried to recruit.

In the course of investigations in the mid 1970s, he came across information
the CIA was trading drugs in order to fund covert operations. He was forced
out of the LAPD in November 1978 after being shot at and threatened for
speaking out about CIA drug activity.

At a Town Hall meeting on November 15, 1996, Ruppert publicly confronted
then-CIA director John Deutsch with information about three specific CIA
drug operations. The confrontation led to an invitation to appear before the
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, where he spoke and presented
written evidence concerning the CIA's infiltration of and illegal
relationships with a number of police departments throughout the country.

Michael Ruppert publishes "From The Wilderness," a magazine which deals with
the effects of illegal covert operations on our society.

He's here today to discuss his latest article for that magazine

about the CIA's knowledge of, and connections to, the suspect trading that
occurred in the days prior to the attacks on the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon.

Michael Ruppert, welcome to "Guns and Butter: The Economy Watch."

RUPPERT: Good to be here.

FAULKNER: Good to have you. Do you think the CIA had advance knowledge of
the attacks? Did they know a specific attack was coming?

RUPPERT: I am absolutely convinced that the Central Intelligence Agency had
complete and perfect foreknowledge of the attacks, down to date, time place
and location, yes.

FAULKNER: Tell us how the CIA monitors the stock market.

RUPPERT: Well, I have written several stories about this over the years. One
of the primary functions of the Central Intelligence Agency by virtue of its
long and very close history of relationships with Wall Street, I mean to the
point where the current executive vice president of the New York Stock
Exchange is a retired CIA general counsel, has had a mandate to track,
monitor, all financial markets worldwide, to look for anomalous trades,
indicative of either economic warfare, or insider currency trading or
speculation which might affect the US Treasury, or , as in the case of the
September 11 attacks, to look for trades which indicated foreknowledge of
attacks like we saw.

One of the vehicles that they use to do this is a software called Promis
software, which was developed in the 1980s, actually 1979, by Bill Hamilton
and a firm called INSLAW, in [the] Washington D.C. area. And Promis is very
unique for two reasons: first of all, it had the ability to integrate a wide
range of databases using different computer languages and to make them all
into one readable format. And secondly, in the years since, Promis has been
mated with artificial intelligence to even predict moves in markets and to
detect trades that are anomalous, as a result of those projections.

So, as recently as last year, I met with members of the RCMP [Royal Canadian
Mounted Police] national security staff, who came down to Los Angeles where
I am, who are investigating stolen applications of Promis software and its
applications, and we reconfirmed at that time that, not only the US, but
Israel, Canada, and many other countries use Promis-like software to track
real-time trades in the stock markets to warn them of these events.

RAMARES: Kellia Ramares here. Mike, is it possible that the terrorists could
have gotten hold of this software?

RUPPERT: Uh, no, it's, well, it is and it isn't. The key piece of evidence
around September 11 is not that the software would have had any impact. The
key evidence, as I heard you describing, was the trades themselves, the
so-called put options and the short selling of American Airlines, United
Airlines, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, and a couple of reinsurance
companies in Europe, which are just really off the maps. You wouldn't need
software to look at these trades and say, "Oh my God, this is directly
connected to World Trade Center."

RAMARES: OK, but hindsight is 20/20. United Airlines had a lot of trouble
last year: labor disputes, lots of cancellations. We were on a verge of a
recession going into the attacks and Morgan Stanley's an investment banking
firm. Some day traders could have seen some activity and joined the party
entirely innocently. How can you make a prediction of an attack?

RUPPERT: Herzliyah, International Policy Institute in Israel which tracks
counter-terrorism, also tracks financial trading. That's a clear cut sign
about how closely the two are related. And their reports are very clear that
between September 6 and 7 the Chicago Board Options Exchange, CBOE, saw
purchases of 4,744 put options on UAL, but only 396 call options. On
September 10, the day before the attacks, 4,516 put options were placed on
American Airlines, against only 748 calls, calls being bets that the stock
will go up, puts being that the stock will go down. No similar trading in
any other airlines occurred on the Chicago Exchange in the days immediately
preceding Black Tuesday. That means that someone had advance knowledge that
only the stocks of these two airlines would be adversely impacted. Had it
just been an industry-wide slump, then you would have seen the same kind of
activity on every airline, not just these two. But what is also very
anomalous, very out of whack here, is the fact that the number of put
options placed, that the level of these trades was up by 1,200 percent in
the three days prior to the World Trade Center attacks.

RAMARES: Give us a brief overview, really, of the connections between the
CIA and the banking and investment community. Your article suggests there is
a revolving door between Wall Street and the CIA.

RUPPERT: Oh, indeed there is. First of all, it's very important to note
right up front that European investigators, who are tracking trades in the
insurance companies, as well as the Israeli institute, have disclosed that
the UAL put options were primarily held by Deutsche Bank-A.B. Brown. And its
very important to note that the current Number Three at CIA, the Executive
Director, a man by the name of A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard, was, until 1998, the
chairman of A.B. Brown. The company went from being owned by Banker's Trust
to being owned by Deutsche Bank. But this is a man effectively running CIA,
who came from the bank that handled the trades.

Historically speaking, we go back to 1947, we look at Clark Clifford, who
wrote the National Security Act, in 1947. He was a Wall Street banker, and a
lawyer from Wall Street. He was the chairman of First American Bancshares
that brought BCCI onto US shores in the late 1980s. He was given the design
for the CIA by John Foster and Allen Dulles, two brothers: John Foster
becoming Secretary of State, Allen becoming director of Central
Intelligence, who was fired by John Kennedy. They were partners in what is
until this day the most powerful law firm on Wall Street: Sullivan Cromwell.
Bill Casey, the legendary CIA director from the Reagan/Iran Contra years,
had been chairman of the Securities and Exchange commission under Ronald
Reagan. He, in fact, was a Wall Street lawyer and a stockbroker.

I've already mentioned Dave Doherty, the Vice President of NYSE [New York
Stock Exchange] who is the retired CIA general counsel.

George Herbert Walker Bush is now a paid consultant to the Carlyle Group,
the 11'th largest defense contractor in the nation, very influential on Wall
Street. "Buzzy" Krongard is there. John Deutsch, the former CIA director,
who retired a couple of years ago, a few years ago, is now on the board of
Citibanc or Citigroup. And his number three, Nora Slatkin, the Executive
Director at CIA is also at Citigroup. And Maurice "Hank" Greenburg, who is
the chairman of AIG insurance, which is the third largest investment pool of
capital in the world, was up to be the CIA director in 1995 and Bill Clinton
declined to nominate him. So there is an inextricable and unavoidable
relationship between CIA and Wall Street.

FAULKNER: Michael Ruppert, this is Bonnie Faulkner. Does the CIA itself
invest in the stock market?

RUPPERT: That's unknown. What is known, and what was disclosed by hearings
chaired by Senator Frank Church in 1976, is that the CIA was known and
proven in the Congressional Record to operate proprietary companies, some of
which do trade their stock on Wall Street. One of these, Southern Air
Transport, excuse me, was at it during the Iran Contra years. There are
others: Evergreen Air, which may or may not be a proprietary, but has strong
CIA connections; there are tons of these companies out there. It's not known
if CIA manipulates markets, although I really believe that they do.

FAULKNER: Is the CIA's budget public knowledge?

RUPPERT: No. By law. Under the National Security Act of 1947 the CIA's
budget is hidden in the budgets of all the other departments of government.
We've never been able to pin down, because it's a secret, exactly how much
money CIA gets. But the best estimates available, and these are from very
good sources, are that it's around 30 billion dollars a year.

FAULKNER: So I'm assuming then that no one knows where they keep their
budget. I mean, do they keep it in the bank drawing interest?

I guess we don't know.

RUPPERT: Well, no, the way it would work under the NSA, National Security
Act, is that if the budget is $30 billion , $10 billion may be in the
Department of Defense, five in the Department of Justice, three in US
Treasury. That's how they hide the funds.

RAMARES: Michael, Kellia Ramares again. You've laid out a scenario which
would suggest that the CIA is so involved in Wall Street, they knew these
trades were happening; they knew why. Why would the CIA let such a
horrendous thing happen if they knew about it?

All the loss of life, all the economic damage that we led off our show with
that's going to happen to everyday people, state and local governments,
small investors, businesses. Why did they let it happen if they knew?

RUPPERT: Well, first of all, let's look at history. I'm a great addict of
the History Channel and all this year on "The Secrets of World War II," one
of their series, they have run maybe three, four, five times, a documentary
showing clearly that Franklin Roosevelt had absolute knowledge that the
Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor on December the seventh. Navy had
broken the codes. That information was made Top Secret. And Roosevelt
allowed the attacks to happen with the express purpose of bringing the US
into World War II. So there is historical precedent for this. What I have
been writing in "From the Wilderness" for more than two years, and we've
been publishing four years now, was of huge economic inconsistencies,
bubbles that were about to burst, about a pending collapse of the US economy
that was going to happen anyway.

Just two days before the attacks, I sent a bulletin to my subscribers saying
there's a monstrous derivatives bubble, to the tune of about 20 trillion
dollars that's about to burst. The price of gold has been manipulated, and
the stock market's ready to crash. And in fact, we had seen the Dow drop by
almost 900 points in the three weeks prior to the attack. So, in point of
fact, the economic crash was going to happen anyway. As a result of the
attacks, now there are two benefits for the government: Number One, there is
a convenient enemy upon whom to place the blame for the economic crash. And
second, the legislation passed by Congress has unleashed a torrent of short
term, and what are going to be extremely expensive, solutions which are
keeping the US economic bubble inflated. This incentive: now it's about 100
billion dollars so far I believe, between 40 for the military and another 60
in tax cuts, is robbing Peter to pay Paul. And I am absolutely convinced
that Social Security is toast and this was their way to get their foot in
the door on that.

RAMARES: Yes, but what about their plans to privatize Social Security? I
don't want my retirement in the stock market after what you've said and even
what I saw before.

RUPPERT: I sure don't either. You have to remember that the current Bush
administration is a reincarnation of the administration we saw during
Iran-Contra, and during the years of President Bush's presidency from '89 to
'93. These are the people who brought us the savings and loan crisis, which
took $500 billion dollars out of US taxpayer pockets. These guys know how to
loot an economy.

There are very credible, well-documented stories from GAO [General
Accounting Office] that have been written even in the Washington Times [a
very conservative newspaper] showing that the Department of Defense has, and
this is the right word, has lost more than three trillion dollars in the
last two years. That money is not lost; it's been stolen.

More than 59 billion dollars has been taken out of HUD [US Department of
Housing and Urban Development]. There are monstrous economic costs which are
going to fall on the American taxpayer. But they will not fall on the
administration or its allies on Wall Street.

RAMARES: Speaking of Wall Street, it doesn't feel like it's a level playing
field for the small investor, the person who has their kid's college fund in
something in Wall Street to try to make it grow.

RUPPERT: No. It absolutely is not. In 1929, some 15 percent of all the stock
in circulation was owned by households. In 2001, 75 percent of the stock in
circulation was owned by households. That tells you who's carrying the
burden.

If you look at some of the market activity in recent years, for example, two
years ago, Goldman Sachs went public. And that means that households bought
their stock but Goldman Sachs took the money and cashed out. There has been
a strong trend in the movement of money by the very rich offshore, out of
the country, into safe havens, so that when the bubble does break, it'll be
the taxpayer holding the bag.

RAMARES: Is Congress knocking on your door to look more into this? Are we
going to see congressional hearings into possible knowledge of the CIA of
the attacks? I mean we're talking about they let mass murder happen.

RUPPERT: Yes . . . I have spoken confidentially to two members of the House
of Representatives. And I have to tell you that my take on their view, and
these are members who I consider to be allies and very progressive and
awake: they're basically frightened. The climate is one of near hysteria.
There is an overwhelming attitude in the general public of wave the flag and
kill the bad guys. And it's not politically wise, I guess, in their
viewpoint, to risk their careers by raising questions. But some of them have
to and some of them must.

Everyday, there are more and more holes in all of the stories surrounding
September 11, and this avoids people from looking at a broader agenda in
Central Asia, which has to do with the drug trade and the oil. Bear in mind
that Senator Carl Levin (D-Mich.) has documented that 300 billion dollars a
year in drug money moves through the US banking system. And that was in a
minority report to the Senate Banking Committee released this February, I
believe it was. But that money is now an integral component to sustaining
the bubble. And that's why we're seeing CIA operatives moving willy-nilly
into Uzbekistan, to give us immediately another Laos, just like we had in
the Vietnam era with Air America planes flying with tons of heroin to
markets in the US and Western Europe. And that's what's coming out of this.
Also, there's a huge grab for oil and a major pipeline to run from
Uzbekistan down to the Pakistani coast, which will weaken Russia's grip on
the region. And I believe, long term, the economic motive is to Balkanize
Russia. But members of Congress now faced with this are kind of overwhelmed.
There have been a few voices speaking up here and there to oppose civil
rights legislation that was punitive, to address issues of the war-making
powers. But Congress needs to find its legs and its lungs real quickly.

FAULKNER: Michael Ruppert, this is Bonnie Faulkner. We have one minute left.
You've mentioned when the bubble is going to burst.

A lot of people think that the bubble has already burst . . .

RUPPERT: Oh no.

FAULKNER: What do you expect to see?

RUPPERT: I was already predicting that the Dow would be at 8,000 or below by
the end of October. Now the . .

.. who knows what the short-term impacts of all of the money that's being
poured out of the Treasury are going to have. But bear in mind there is
still a huge bubble. According to Russian economists a - I was in Russia in
March - there's 300 trillion dollars in derivatives waiting to pop. Now what
that means is one more good terrorist attack and we could really understand
what a bubble is.

RAMARES: And the FBI has said watch out for terrorist attacks in the next
few days and the CIA says that we're at 100 percent risk of terrorist
attacks. Give us your web site and little bit about your magazine for those
who might be interested in learning more.

RUPPERT: OK, the web site is www dot cop v like in Victor CIA dot com.
Copvcia.com. "From the Wilderness" is a newsletter we publish 11 times a
year. We're read in 17 countries, by 16 members of the US Congress,
including the Intelligence Committees of both houses, as well as by
professors at 11 universities in the US and Canada.

It's a monthly subscriber. The web site is free; the subscribers get a
little more information and a little newer. But we take great pride in the
fact that we document everything that we publish so we don't ask anybody to
take anything on faith.

RAMARES: OK, Thank you very much for joining us. You have been listening to
Michael C. Ruppert, publisher of "From the Wilderness" magazine and author
of an article on the CIA, the stock market and the terrorist attacks. Again
his web site is www.copvcia.com. Again, thank you for joining us.

RUPPERT: My pleasure.


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Michael Ruppert, a former LAPD narcotics investigator and intelligence
expert is the Editor of "From the Wilderness", a specialised monthly,
subscriber newsletter is a frequent CRG contributor. The FTW web site is at
www.copvcia.com.

Copyright 2001. All Rights reserved. FTW Publications, www.copvcia.com. May
Be Reprinted for Non-Profit Purposes only.



Kali

Kali , the earth-vexing marbler, fabricated:
In article , posted
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:26:05 GMT, http://peaceinspace.com
says...

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:25:02 -0500, Kali wrote:

In article , posted
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:58:15 GMT, http://peaceinspace.com
says...

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:52:11 -0600, Art Deco
wrote:

Hi, Alexa! How the screed biz these days?

HEIL JACOB ROTHSCHILD

HEIL ALEXA

Kali

HEIL PAID USENET POSTERS

HEIL THE QUEEN OF KOOKS WHO THINKS PEOPLE GET PAID TO POST

Meh. I get paid to post.



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