Russian Moonbase Art -- Original or Stolen??

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:06:11 -0500, Thomas Lee Elifritz
wrote, in part:

These are 'Russians', Jim.

Our International Space Partners.

The cold war is over. It's dead, Jim.

I don't know.

Russia, along with France, voted to obstruct the U.S. efforts to ensure
Iraq didn't pass along weapons of mass destruction to terrorists.

Russia keeps pushing for the right to ship fissionable material to Iran.

Russia indiscriminately attacked civilians in Chechnya, which helped
Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization al-Qaeda to make inroads there,
since no one else seems to be willing to defend the Chechen people.

And there is reason to believe that organized crime in Russia has an
influence on the government.

The government in Belarus protects criminals who defraud American
computer owners and telephone companies.

Other countries in the Commonwealth of Independent States appear to be
operating as dictatorships.

So I think it's premature to conclude that Russia has a government that
really believes in freedom, and is in harmony with the United States and
the rest of the democratic world. It still seems to see itself as in
rivalry and conflict with the United States.

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:36:00 -0500, Thomas Lee Elifritz
wrote, in part:

You mean like Abu Graib, Gitmo and secret rendition?

Torture in America ... er ... Europe.

We're making up for lost time.

Yes, we remember how those Russian dissidents flew airplanes into
skyscrapers, killing thousands of innocent Russians.

At least we remember *now*, since you have helped us see the light.

I was just reading "Birthright", a graphic novel by Mark Waid (OK, the
TPB of a mini-series)... Lex Luthor launches a terrorist attack on
Metropolis in a post-911 world to try to get people to hate Superman
(and all Kryptonians), and at the end of the book, he is on trial, but
his lawyers were using a Twinkie defence.

Miranda warnings are named after a *rapist* who got let off because the
police didn't read him his rights.

Constitutional rights that prevent the innocent from being thrown in
jail are a great idea. That we need to let people known to be guilty go
free as well, to maintain them, seems to me not self-evident. Of course,
a few people who actually are guilty will go free if we can't lock
people up without evidence, but it seems that quite a bit of what goes
on in the name of Constitutional rights is not essential to freedom -
and is, instead, only bringing the court system into disrepute.

Guantanamo is the natural consequence of this process. It's the liberals
who have helped to make the streets unsafe that bear the real blame for
the need to deviate from precedent in this crisis.

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Jim Oberg wrote:
"Thomas Lee Elifritz" wrote
rafvings

That's right. I want to raft those cryogenic tanks together.

PLONK

Yes, down with copyright violations!

It's bad for big business. Bad for US.

Hurray for civil rights violations!

You want global warming. You want your oil.

You want nuclear weapons proliferation.

You want weapons. You want WAR!

....

No wonder space colonization doesn't have a chance.

You really got your global priorities straight, Jim.

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John Savard wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:06:11 -0500, Thomas Lee Elifritz
wrote, in part:

These are 'Russians', Jim.

Our International Space Partners.

The cold war is over. It's dead, Jim.

I don't know.

Russia, along with France, voted to obstruct the U.S. efforts to ensure
Iraq didn't pass along weapons of mass destruction to terrorists.

Russia keeps pushing for the right to ship fissionable material to Iran.

Russia indiscriminately attacked civilians in Chechnya, which helped
Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization al-Qaeda to make inroads there,
since no one else seems to be willing to defend the Chechen people.

And there is reason to believe that organized crime in Russia has an
influence on the government.

The government in Belarus protects criminals who defraud American
computer owners and telephone companies.

Other countries in the Commonwealth of Independent States appear to be
operating as dictatorships.

So I think it's premature to conclude that Russia has a government that
really believes in freedom, and is in harmony with the United States and
the rest of the democratic world. It still seems to see itself as in
rivalry and conflict with the United States.

Yes, it rather seems that Russia and the US are now on equal footing
in the freedom, ignorance, fascism, corruption, racism, dictatorship
and democracy departments, now, doesn't it?

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John Savard wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:36:00 -0500, Thomas Lee Elifritz
wrote, in part:

You mean like Abu Graib, Gitmo and secret rendition?

Torture in America ... er ... Europe.

We're making up for lost time.

Yes, we remember how those Russian dissidents flew airplanes into
skyscrapers, killing thousands of innocent Russians.

Yes, and how many people die of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and
automobile accidents every year? How many dead in IRAQ thus far?

It must be all those weapons of mass destruction.

At least we remember *now*, since you have helped us see the light.

With science, not fantasy.

I was just reading "Birthright", a graphic novel by Mark Waid (OK, the
TPB of a mini-series)... Lex Luthor launches a terrorist attack on
Metropolis in a post-911 world to try to get people to hate Superman
(and all Kryptonians), and at the end of the book, he is on trial, but
his lawyers were using a Twinkie defence.

Wow, that's ... fantastic.

Miranda warnings are named after a *rapist* who got let off because the
police didn't read him his rights.

Constitutional rights that prevent the innocent from being thrown in
jail are a great idea. That we need to let people known to be guilty go
free as well, to maintain them, seems to me not self-evident. Of course,
a few people who actually are guilty will go free if we can't lock
people up without evidence, but it seems that quite a bit of what goes
on in the name of Constitutional rights is not essential to freedom -
and is, instead, only bringing the court system into disrepute.

You mean like the FISA courts?

Guantanamo is the natural consequence of this process. It's the liberals
who have helped to make the streets unsafe that bear the real blame for
the need to deviate from precedent in this crisis.

Ding! Another American Fascist.

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:20:33 GMT, "Jim Oberg"
wrote:

"Thomas Lee Elifritz, Hitler's ******* Child" wrote
rafvings

PLONK

....Yes, Everyone should have killfiled him long ago when he went on
his first anti-semetic tirade. We managed to get him kicked off his
ISP, but apparently someone else was desperate for the cash he's
obviously bilked out of idiots with his hydroponic dope farm gear he
sells on his piece-of-**** website.

Everyone seriously needs to add the Nazi troll to their killfiles.


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OM wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:20:33 GMT, "Jim Oberg"
wrote:

"Thomas Lee Elifritz, Hitler's ******* Child" wrote
rafvings

PLONK

...Yes, Everyone should have killfiled him long ago when he went on
his first anti-semetic tirade. We managed to get him kicked off his
ISP,

Actually no, you didn't. But if you feel the need to protest against
the freedom of speech, feel free to use your freedom of speech to
protest against the freedom of speech. It's just another civil right
that you are about to lose in this country.

but apparently someone else was desperate for the cash he's
obviously bilked out of idiots with his hydroponic dope farm gear he
sells on his piece-of-**** website.

And if you continue to feel the need to slander and libel on the usenet,
go right ahead. It's your fundamental right. That's why we have civil
courts.

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:40:44 -0500, Thomas Lee Elifritz
wrote, in part:

Wow, that's ... fantastic.

The one connection that comic books have to the real world is that
they're written by people who live there.

If the notion of a mad scientist trying to get out of being punished for
large-scale violence through a spurious defense of having one's mind
affected by radiation poisoning seems plausible enough to use in a story
- it's because too much has happened in real life for people to have
faith that our courts are trying hard to punish the guilty.

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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:

Pat Flannery wrote:

They never really did rise up to his level again in the pure terror
department.
Lenin's "A revolution without firing squads is pointless!" is a bit
hard-core also.


You mean like Abu Graib, Gitmo and secret rendition?

Torture in America ... er ... Europe.


I think that those programs are a direct violation of the Geneva
conventions.
They are also stupid from the viewpoint of what they do to our image in
the world versus any information they are likely to yield, which may
well be what the prisoner thinks his torturers may want to hear rather
than the truth.
Still, we haven't gotten near Stalin territory yet, with laws that allow
children to be seized from their parents for bad behavior at age three,
to be imprisoned at age six, and executed at age twelve.

Pat

Pat Flannery wrote:


Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:

Pat Flannery wrote:

They never really did rise up to his level again in the pure terror
department.
Lenin's "A revolution without firing squads is pointless!" is a bit
hard-core also.


You mean like Abu Graib, Gitmo and secret rendition?

Torture in America ... er ... Europe.


I think that those programs are a direct violation of the Geneva
conventions.

Just as domestic wiretapping is illegal.

They are also stupid from the viewpoint of what they do to our image in
the world versus any information they are likely to yield, which may
well be what the prisoner thinks his torturers may want to hear rather
than the truth.

Clearly an overpopulated world based upon hydrocarbon combustion
will inevitably descend into corruption, paranoia, fascism and fear.

Still, we haven't gotten near Stalin territory yet, with laws that allow
children to be seized from their parents for bad behavior at age three,
to be imprisoned at age six, and executed at age twelve.

No, America is simply approaching the small African nation stage.

All the weapons in the world will not save us.

The only solution is up and out.

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