Lunacy from Brussels

waste of money on a futile task whilst things...need ... fixing

Is the direct route the best route to fixing?

For instance
Space exploration - space mining - cheap platinum - cheap fuel cells
- low oil consumption

vs.

Current trends - higher oil consumption

Columbus' fleet could have quickly attacked the Moors and seized a
coastal village. Would he, or we, be better off?

long strut - the inverse-square

True. However the classic Orion designs are based on still secret
formulas, derived by Freeman Dyson. The physics involved are not
elaborate, though he probably came up with some clever issues. I'll
probably have to redo this work if the orginals stay hidden much
longer, then be faced with his superior work coming out right after.

He proved that the basic design can be self stabalizing, each pulse
will tend to happen at a time and location when it will push against
the spin caused by the previous pulse being off center.

The GA for NASA chart shows a curve for shielding thickness for 3,000
pulse missions and 10,000. Mars is actually a 3,000 pulse mission
usually, so the thicker shield will lead to only 15 REM of engine
exposure during the trip.

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Pooh Bear wrote:

This is the funny thing about Americans. The assumotion that there is
always
some new frontier to be subdued and conquered.

I don't know about "subduing" or "conquering" territories that are
lifeless and unclaimed, but yes, there's always a new frontier.

The reality is that we're stuck with planet Earth.

What utter rubbish. Try looking up when outside at night sometime.

When that gets into some ppls' brain then maybe we'll start treating this
planet better instead of simply looking for another one to trash.

The best way to improve this planet is to stop raping it for resources,
when there are effectively boundless resources offworld that we could be
using instead.

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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:53:09 +0100, Pooh Bear
wrote:

You still seem not to have grasped the basic point that there's nothing on
Mars worth going there for on a regular basis.

That depends on what you're going FOR...

If you're expecting bowling alleys and amusement parks, you're
right.

If you're looking for new and unseen scenery, you're wrong.

If you're looking for new sources of minerals and other
resources, you're ABSOLUTELY wrong.

It's also too damn cold !

Wuss. :-)

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:05:51 +0100, Pooh Bear wrote:
"Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie" wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 05:09:25 -0700, bombardmentforce wrote:

Europeons can't even get their heads around the idea of bringing
a country with a rather well educated populace, like Iraq, back into civilization

By making Mars part of the American Frontier, we exclude the Europeans
and their fading civilization.

YEah - we're all out of territory to conquer on Earth, except the polar
caps and the bottoms of the ocean, and nobody cares about them anyway.

But don't you remember back in the good ol' cold war days when it was
easy to tell who the "bad guys" were - space was touted as "the ultimate
high ground" or something.

So, there's only one way left to go, and that's up - and it's got a
lot better visibility than igloos and submarines. ;-)

This is the funny thing about Americans. The assumotion that there is always some new
frontier to be subdued and conquered.

The reality is that we're stuck with planet Earth.

Poop bear, you're missing something very fundamental here.

_YOU_ might be "stuck with planet Earth", but that in no way implies
that _WE_ are.

Good luck in your antarctic colony!
Rich

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:00:25 +0100, Pooh Bear wrote:

I see a waste of money on a futile task whilst things back on planet
earth that are in dire need of fixing really ought to come first.

How do you reconcile the fact that for the last 40 years, that's
exactly what they've been doing? And have they shown any progress
yet? Of course not! But, like a typical liberal weenie, you want to
keep throwing good money after bad, "fixing the problems we have
here on Earth." In 40 years of spending money on ftpwhhoe, which
problems have we fixed?

You want to talk about dead end programs?

Feh,
Rich

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:00:25 +0100, Pooh Bear wrote:

I see a waste of money on a futile task whilst things back on planet
earth that are in dire need of fixing really ought to come first.

How do you reconcile the fact that for the last 40 years, that's
exactly what they've been doing? And have they shown any progress
yet? Of course not! But, like a typical liberal weenie, you want to
keep throwing good money after bad, "fixing the problems we have
here on Earth." In 40 years of spending money on ftpwhhoe, which
problems have we fixed?

You want to talk about dead end programs?

Uh ?

What programs to fix planet earth do you refer to ?

There have been a few attempts to mildy mitigate the damage being caused
but none that really address the fundamental issues head-on

And calling ppl with liberal viewpoints 'weenies' is plain silly and shows
a blinkered mindset. It just encourages the liberals to call those on the
right wing rednecks. You degrade your argument by resorting to name
calling.

Graham

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:24:18 +0100, Pooh Bear wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

.... like a typical liberal weenie,
....
And calling ppl with liberal viewpoints 'weenies' is plain silly and shows
a blinkered mindset.

What part of "like" don't you understand?

Thanks,
Rich

Pooh Bear wrote:

:
:
:"Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie" wrote:
:
: On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 05:09:25 -0700, bombardmentforce wrote:
:
: Europeons can't even get their heads around the idea of bringing
: a country with a rather well educated populace, like Iraq, back into civilization
:
: By making Mars part of the American Frontier, we exclude the Europeans
: and their fading civilization.
:
: YEah - we're all out of territory to conquer on Earth, except the polar
: caps and the bottoms of the ocean, and nobody cares about them anyway.
:
: But don't you remember back in the good ol' cold war days when it was
: easy to tell who the "bad guys" were - space was touted as "the ultimate
: high ground" or something.
:
: So, there's only one way left to go, and that's up - and it's got a
: lot better visibility than igloos and submarines. ;-)
:
:This is the funny thing about Americans. The assumotion that there is always some new
:frontier to be subdued and conquered.
:
:The reality is that we're stuck with planet Earth.

Yeah, I can see you as the New World starts to open up, arguing that
there's nothing over there and we should just admit that we're stuck
with Europe.

:When that gets into some ppls' brain then maybe we'll start treating this planet better
:instead of simply looking for another one to trash.

The funny thing is that one would expect you to be massively in favour
of space exploration, given the preceding. After all, the best way to
reduce pollution here on Earth is to move the polluting industries
out.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:24:18 +0100, in a place far, far away, Pooh
: Bear made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: And calling ppl with liberal viewpoints 'weenies' is plain silly and shows
: a blinkered mindset. It just encourages the liberals to call those on the
: right wing rednecks.

: In my experience, they need little encouragement.

When was the last time you saw or heard any talking head, politician or
anyone else in the media use the term "redneck" to describe a
conservative? However, you do hear the term "liberal" bantered about
easily by conservatives in the media and politics. But, guess what? It
isn't working any longer as the Virginia govenor's race proved. Also, Sean
Hannity looked like a complete ass the last time he was throwing the word
around. Like anything else people are just tired of the labels, so much so
that those that use them will have that fact be more prevalent than those
they are labeling.

Eric