OBIT: Original Blue Angel pilot dies at age 86

"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:14:36 -0700, Dale wrote:

Despite my opposition to the war, our gals (and guys) over there are owed
a great debt by all of us. As are those who stayed behind and are smoke
jumping this summer.

...Amen, brother. They deserve our support 110%, which is why
psychotic housebimbos like the one out there picketing the Bush ranch
need to be shot. They're not supporting the troops with their actions
by any means.

Only if you assume that the duration of our participation in Iraq is
independent of the domestic political process. One could make an argument
that hastening our withdrawal will save American lives.

"Dale" wrote in message
...
Despite my opposition to the war, our gals (and guys) over there are owed
a great debt by all of us. As are those who stayed behind and are smoke
jumping this summer.

I recently had the opportunity to meet someone just back from Iraq. He makes
it clear that the media is lying to the American public- the Iraqis are
*grateful* for our presence, and the vast majority of them are far better
off now than they were under Saddam. The truth doesn't make for good
ratings. If the politicos would simply make up their mind as to what they
want and shut up, the job could be completed in short order.

IF the truth about Iraq were getting out, there wouldn't be another Democrat
elected for a century.

"Dale" wrote in message
...
I'd be pretty confused about our values as a nation if we went out
and shot her

But the media attention she's getting... that's another story.

The media is *precisely* the reason why the President should send her a
sunshade and a tall glass of fresh lemonade. When someone threatened to
picket my dad's store, he killed the idea by asking her what her favorite
cold drink was so he could stock up for her protest.

Ami Silberman wrote:


...Amen, brother. They deserve our support 110%, which is why
psychotic housebimbos like the one out there picketing the Bush ranch
need to be shot. They're not supporting the troops with their actions
by any means.



Only if you assume that the duration of our participation in Iraq is
independent of the domestic political process. One could make an argument
that hastening our withdrawal will save American lives.



Remember that Star Trek TOS where Kirk got split into two halves by the
transporter accident?
I think we may be something going on like that here... once there was
someone who was middle of the road politically, but they attempted to
transport during an ion storm, and OM and Nicholas Fitzpatrick stepped
out at the other end.
Between the two of them they could wreak havoc; all the people who have
escaped arrest will certainly be shot.
This is still far better than what happened during Scott Lowther's
transporter accident, when he didn't realize he wasn't alone in the
transporter chamber, and his DNA was fused with that of a rabid cat.
(Cut to image of Scott sitting in front of computer, model Dyna-Soar
hanging by a string from the ceiling in front of him-
suddenly...involuntarily....his right arm rises up and begins swatting
repeatedly at the model.) ;-)

Pat

In article ,
says...
(Henry Spencer) wrote:
I'd bet on it being only two. :-) Reserve retention rates apparently have
absolutely gone through the floor, which is hardly surprising.

Of course it's hardly surprising. A great proportion of the Guard is
in for the extra bucks and bennies, the little the Guard asks in
return was considered not very onerous.

True, but...


It never occurred to them that being in the military meant that...
one might have to actually to the job they signed up to do.

The flip side of that is that it never occurred to them that they might
be sent to invade a country that *didn't* attack us. The guys at the top
have not just the obligation to send the military into harm's way when
necessary, but also to sent the military into harm's way *only* if
necessary.
--
Kevin Willoughby lid

The loss of the American system of checks and balances
is more of a security danger than any terrorist risk.
-- Bruce Schneier

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 01:12:53 -0700, in a place far, far away, Dale
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to
indicate that:

No, but the troops are defending her right to say whatever she wants to
say. I'd be pretty confused about our values as a nation if we went out
and shot her

But the media attention she's getting... that's another story.

It happens in every war:

http://www.transterrestrial.com/arch...19.html#005619

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:44:31 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Ami
Silberman" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

...Amen, brother. They deserve our support 110%, which is why
psychotic housebimbos like the one out there picketing the Bush ranch
need to be shot. They're not supporting the troops with their actions
by any means.

Only if you assume that the duration of our participation in Iraq is
independent of the domestic political process. One could make an argument
that hastening our withdrawal will save American lives.

Only in the short run. The goal is not to "save American lives" if
they're the lives of the troops. The goal is to win the war.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:58:20 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Scott
Hedrick" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

I recently had the opportunity to meet someone just back from Iraq. He makes
it clear that the media is lying to the American public- the Iraqis are
*grateful* for our presence, and the vast majority of them are far better
off now than they were under Saddam. The truth doesn't make for good
ratings. If the politicos would simply make up their mind as to what they
want and shut up, the job could be completed in short order.

IF the truth about Iraq were getting out, there wouldn't be another Democrat
elected for a century.

Yes, it's interesting that while recruitment is down, retention of
regular military is actually pretty good. In other words, people who
actually have experience with what's going on there aren't unhappy
about it, whereas people who only get their news from the domestic
media don't want to go.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 06:05:25 GMT, h (Rand Simberg)
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 01:12:53 -0700, in a place far, far away, Dale
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to
indicate that:

No, but the troops are defending her right to say whatever she wants to
say. I'd be pretty confused about our values as a nation if we went out
and shot her

But the media attention she's getting... that's another story.

It happens in every war:

http://www.transterrestrial.com/arch...19.html#005619

Well ,"two" doesn't equal "every", but I suspect similar protests can
be found for many more wars. Mothers generally don't enjoy the
deaths of their children.

I'm curious, though. Are the protestations of Mrs. Hanberg and Mrs.
Sheehan pretty much the same to you, or does one have more merit
than the other?

Dale

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:01:45 GMT, h (Rand Simberg)
wrote:

I'm curious, though. Are the protestations of Mrs. Hanberg and Mrs.
Sheehan pretty much the same to you, or does one have more merit
than the other?

They're of equivalent merit. And they're both of equivalent mental
stability and grip on reality. They both have the excuse, of course,
of having suffered a grievous loss. I'm not sure what the media's
excuse is for exploiting them, though.

Ratings, perhaps??

Dale