The "C" in Celestron now stands for COMMUNIST!

Mean Mr Mustard wrote:
Rich, there is no point in preaching to the American consumer. They
only care about price ... not quality, not pollution, not worker
rights, not human rights or the fact that giving away the industrial
base will eventually bite them in the ass.

Heavy Sigh
An entire society that learns (9/11 excepted) important lessons in life
by being knocked upside the head with a baseball bat.

Shawn

USA Motor vehicle production 2003: 12,078,000
Canada Motor vehicle production 2003: 2,550,000

USA Passenger vehicle production 2003: 4,510,000
Canada Passenger vehicle production 2003: 1,211,000

Source: http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/pdf/toyota_world/Chap7.pdf

So once again, Americans have nothing to fear by Rich's bogus
information. He should crawl back to his black hole.

AstroHoney

"Bert Hyman" wrote in message
...
In oups.com "Matthew
Ota" wrote:

Our American culture, IMHO is too Euro-centric. Most Americans cannot
differentiate between any Asian counry or culture. This is a good
example.


Not really; the poster was a Canadian and a troll.


Canada was in America last I checked. The USA is a country, America is not.

Greg

Kore-wa JBT?

Matthew Ota

On 20 Jun 2005 18:51:58 -0700, "AstroHoney"
wrote:

USA Motor vehicle production 2003: 12,078,000
Canada Motor vehicle production 2003: 2,550,000


You are right, my mistake. However, that does not
change the fact that the company that bought Celestron
produces much of it's product in MAINLAND CHINA, which was
my original point. There is NO difference between a company that is
headquartered in one country but produces it's good in another.
The onus is still on them to make sure the products are not being
made by serfs, and people who knowingly buy those products are
supporting a system that represses freedom. Most people won't worry
about such things, because it means cheaper goods, which is fine,
it's a moral judgement call.

Do you know for a FACT that Synta workers are treated like serfs and
their "freedoms" are repressed? How do you know that they aren't
averaging bigger incomes than their counterparts in the factories that
are stamping out crappy dollar-store widgets? Did you ever consider
the possibility that many Chinese are willing to set aside or defer
political and individual freedoms in the pursuit of economic wealth? In
fact, I'll bet a lot of people still subscribe, consciously or not, to
the Confucian notion of social harmony, and that it should prevail over
individual needs. What if you are judging China through a "Western
lens" and assuming that they should adopt YOUR value system?

Reeks of Bush mentality.

AstroHoney

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"Shawn" sdotcurry@bresnananotherdotnet wrote in message
...
Mean Mr Mustard wrote:
Rich, there is no point in preaching to the American consumer. They
only care about price ... not quality, not pollution, not worker
rights, not human rights or the fact that giving away the industrial
base will eventually bite them in the ass.

Heavy Sigh
An entire society that learns (9/11 excepted) important lessons in life
by being knocked upside the head with a baseball bat.

Shawn

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:31:27 -0700, "Jan Owen"
wrote:

http://www.marke****ch.com/news/yhoo...o&dist=myyahoo

Kind of like Japan in the 1980s, buying up U.S. property.

On 21 Jun 2005 14:26:15 -0700, "AstroHoney"
wrote:

Do you know for a FACT that Synta workers are treated like serfs and
their "freedoms" are repressed? How do you know that they aren't
averaging bigger incomes than their counterparts in the factories that
are stamping out crappy dollar-store widgets? Did you ever consider
the possibility that many Chinese are willing to set aside or defer
political and individual freedoms in the pursuit of economic wealth? In
fact, I'll bet a lot of people still subscribe, consciously or not, to
the Confucian notion of social harmony, and that it should prevail over
individual needs. What if you are judging China through a "Western
lens" and assuming that they should adopt YOUR value system?

Reeks of Bush mentality.

AstroHoney

Yes, lacking ANY indication at all that the average Chinese person
wants to live under oppression because of the side benefit of
increasing wealth, we should assume that's the case. In fact, lets
not help the Africans either, because for all we know, they like the
AIDS epidemic because it reduces the number of mouths to feed!

On 20 Jun 2005 05:01:36 -0700, wrote:

I agree with what you say but there is a difference. In the US the
workers are permitted to organize into unions. The unions become
powereful raised the wages/benifits and forced the companies out of
business,i.e. steel, auto and others.
*****

In todays world of economics now, unions are far weaker than they were
in the early 20th century. They do not have the leverage as they did
80 yrs ago. Unions can no longer use the threat of prolonged strikes
to gain higher wages and benefits. It now is more of a cooperation
between the two. Labor unions now are linked economically at the hip
with the companies they were once a foe of.

james